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PrintableDesireeNevermind said: TheVoid said: I totally agree with this. WOmen say and do much worse than men in the workplace. But a man will likely overreact to a comment by another man even if the comment wasn't even remotely intended to be sexual in nature. A simple, "you smell good" if the guy is wearing cologne can instantly become, "dude, he made a pass at me, that buttfucker." We had a situation at work were one of our homophobic colleagues claimed (I'll call him Ben) said something suggestive to him. "dude, Ben totally...." this guy went on and on. I finally had to say, "dude, ben is a good looking young guy. He's in a stable relationship, and aren't you going through a divorce? And besides, Ben can have any gay man that he wants... Why (and really really think about this) would he make a pass at you and ruin his career?). ... 5 second pause Me: "He wouldn't." At this point the rest of the workers (all liberal but one) chimed in and pointed out the absurdity of the comment. The co-worker wasn't able to tell us the exact words either. In the end, it was some guy just talking shit to discredit homosexuals in general. I personally think far more women harass men (and is never reported) than gay men harassing other men---it's too risky, and gay men know that. this also potentially falls under sexual harassment statute in that it could have created a hostile work environment. If ben had heard such comments he might have felt harassed and uncomfortable. sexual harassment isn't just about one person trying to force another into performing sexual favors. it also covers offensive commentary/jokes of a sexual nature and third parties feeling uncomfortable by a persons acts or statements (the people dude told the ben story to). I completely agree. Fortunately he never heard these comments, but the fact that my coworker had to audacity to express his views/stories to us, not really knowing anything about our own private lives, was astounding. It just so happened we all laid into him, and he was completely dumbfounded by it--he honestly thought we would all be just as homophobic as he was... a very strange assumption. | |
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This notion that women conduct in the workforce is worse than men, is utterly ridiculous. Way before women were in the workforce in any great numbers the stories I've witnessed and were told to me by men would put the devil to shame. What I've discovered and experienced, irrespective of gender no one has a monopoly of being a jerk. Being a jerk and being in violation of someones Civil Rights aren't one in the same.
There are two general categories of sexual harassment in the workplace. Quid Pro Quo Harassment - An employee is required to tolerate sexual harassment in order to obtain or keep a job, job benefit, raise, or promotion. As Desiree' noted: Hostile Work Environment Harassment - Harassment at work unreasonably interferes with or alters the employee's work performance, or creates a hostile, abusive or offensive work environment. Determining if it is a "hostile" work environment 6 factors are examined. Most people who are the victims of sexual harassment or believe they are the victims of sexual harassment usually resign and find employment elsewhere. Filing a lawsuit when you've been harassed/wrong is a daunting experience. You usually stand alone and even (unless it's a class-action lawsuit) when others know your claim(s) to be true they say nothing and/or jump on the bandwagon to discredit you. When people file Civil Right violation claims, it's because they've put up with abuse or being abused for a long time. They aren't filing claims with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) or a private law firm based on a flip-it remark or "joke". The EEOC wouldn't take your claim based on one incident. It's also a misnomer that sexual harassment by men of other men is based on sexual preference, this is so far from the truth. Men historical have used sexual aggression to dominate and humiliate men, women, and children. | |
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sosgemini said: Revolution said: She's had a hysterectemy....[clip] I mean, this is bullshit. What's wrong with someone sharing that info? I don't care to know any of it...that's what's wrong. How about working while you're at work? Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind. | |
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Revolution said: sosgemini said: What's wrong with someone sharing that info? I don't care to know any of it...that's what's wrong. How about working while you're at work? Fair enough but someone talking about their hysterectomy is not the same as someone talking sexually. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Revolution said: I don't care to know any of it...that's what's wrong. How about working while you're at work? Fair enough but someone talking about their hysterectomy is not the same as someone talking sexually. quite true. | |
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http://www.foxnews.com/po...-sexually/
Massa: Yeah, I Groped Male Staff But Not Sexually Former New York Rep. Eric Massa said sure he groped his male staff, but never sexually misbehaved, and he doesn't think rough-play with other men is unusual, even at age 50.
But his aides sure seem to have a problem with it. In an interview with Fox News' Glenn Beck on Tuesday Massa, who resigned on Monday after facing an ethics query evidently filed by his former Legislative Director Ron Hikel, admitted he got physical with an aide. "Not only did I grope him, I tickled him until he couldn't breathe and then four guys jumped on top of me," he said. "It was my 50th birthday. It was 'kill the old guy.' You can take anything out of context." The play was too much for his Chief of Staff Joe Racalto, who apparently was present among the bachelors who worked for and lived with Massa at a Washington, D.C., pad, where the guys participated in the rough play. "My chief of staff had a conniption and said: 'You can't live there; It's not congressional,'" he said. Massa has previously claimed his misconduct was limited to using inappropriate language with staffers. The interview came after Massa alleged that party leaders conspired to force him out of office so they would have an easier time approving the health care overhaul. Party leaders denied it, with the White House saying Massa can't be taken by his word. New York Democratic Rep. Louise Slaughter said Tuesday she feels sorry for the former congressman. "I think he seriously needs help. I've never seen so much self-destruction," she said. While acknowledging the self-destructive chain of events that led to his resignation -- Massa said he "owned this misbehavior" -- he added that he had trouble translating his days in the Navy to those as a congressman, and offered to show pictures from a Crossing the Line ceremony in 1983 to suggest his behavior wasn't all that bad. "If you were to take this out of context today ... Can you imagine transporting back to this today? It looks like an orgy in Caligula. And anybody who's been in the Navy knows it," he said. One inappropriate scene Massa does stand by -- White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel bullying him while they were in the congressional showers together. "Not only did it happen, I'll never forget it. Rahm Emanuel hates me. He doesn't like me. I get it," he said. Massa did offer a mea culpa to his former band of brothers. "It doesn't make any difference what my intentions were. It's how it's perceived by the individual who receives that action," he said. "No matter what I say, it doesn't matter. If somebody on my staff was offended, was uncomfortable, thought I was inappropriate -- I own that. That's why I resigned." "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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Massa is a closet case fool. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Massa is a closet case fool.
to put it lightly.  | |
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