Graycap23 said:

ding ding! agreed!

DesireeNevermind said:

I had a friend saying this to me, "you might as well put on a condom & have sex with them."

I didn't agree at first, but now I see it's direct sexual stimulation using their bodies. Call it a lap dance, but basically you're paying a woman to have sex with you.

DesireeNevermind said:

Desiree, I don't think it's an either/or question. The human condition.
Most men will tell you for them (and many woman) sex and love for them isn't one of the same. Or they'll tell you they want variety, something different, or "strange". Some men don't see emotional love and having sex in the same vain. Don't get hot, I'm just telling you what I've heard for years from men: friends, associates, and family. Many men want it both ways they want a family life and they want a single life. But all guys aren't the same, they're those who think it's beneath them (or their cheap) to pay for sex and they like the chase. Some guys don't want to be bothered with the chase or the entanglements that could happen and pay for sex and be done with it.

To be honest, I think monogamy isn't a natural state for human beings. We need to start having honest conversation about this; I'm not sure anything would be resolved but.....

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TD3 said:

Well put T. I think there are some women who have those views and inclinations as well but don't live in a society that encourages or supports such thinking. If a man wants variety he's just being a man but if a woman wants variety then she's often viewed as a whore.

It's sad that we haven't evolved past thinking above our groins. Okay maybe we have some; there are many couples that are monogamous but I honestly think their own family upbringing, finances, and education all play a part.

Anyway, I still wonder if more women wouldn't take advantage of legalized prostitution for their own financial benefit especially if there is no stigma attached. Do I like the idea of women selling their bodies? Nope. But hey, if dude is gonna pay far be it from me to judge too harshly a woman taking his cash for something she gives to another man for free. In the end the dudes win.

DesireeNevermind said:

Biology/Nature. Human race must reproduce. Though "biology/nature" didn't figure on birthcontrol turning thing upside down. Some people are mmonogomous but I think they are the exception to the rule.

Hmm. I've known my fair share of women who paid for college education working as prostitutes. I known women who have supplemented their income working as prostitutes. I'm sure you have those who've jumped in the "game" because of the economic downturn. Don't talk about the women how have suger daddy's.... We like to hang labels on this or that, who gets to define who's a prositute and who isn't? So fuckem'... no pun intended. I still believe many women go into sex trade have "some issues" from start and given different circumstance wouldn't do it. I saw a documentary (late 70's) about women who worked the traded... I don't know what I expected but it was very sobering, difficult, hard work. To use your sexuality like that... it's not healthy.


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DesireeNevermind said:

That's the thing, we'd actually have to evolve physically, not just become aware of what is the right thing to do. So men don't need to impregnate as many women as possible just to keep humans alive anymore, but we are still physically programmed to want to do so, just like women are programmed to nurture babies for the benefit of the species. That is a stereotype, I know, but I think we all know it's fairly true.

And to say women are unfairly judged when they want to sleep around is to ignore the fact that men are uniformly seen as having no morals, they'll fuck apple pies, blow up dolls, nasty whores they aren't even attracted to just because they can. They're both judged for being promiscuous, men are just expected to be that way (or want to be).

A women isn't seen as lower than a man for sleeping around, she's seen as lowering herself to his level. Still, I don't think it's fair to judge men for their desires any more than you should judge a woman for practically drooling over a pair of baby socks.
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NDRU said:

ok you know that isn't the same thing.

DesireeNevermind said:

I'm only talking about men lusting, not actually acting upon it. But I think it's exactly the same thing, actually.

It just shows the different ways that men & women manifest their deepest sexual desires based on their roles in propagation.

I believe men see bikinis and women see baby socks, and we both are thinking about what fills them, and it brings about very strong reactions.

But I'm not saying it's all one or the other, certainly women lust for men and men have nurturing instincts