NDRU said:

That is definitely true.

Being involuntarily thin all of my life, I personally loathe the term "skinny." Larger-sized people (especially overweight women) think it's alright to call slim people that, but it isn't. Not all of us want to be as thin as we are, and many larger people don't understand the fact that for some of us, being a "hard-gainer" is considerably more difficult than being "hard-losers" like them (regarding weight).

TotalANXiousNESS said:

I can relate to that.

Who cares? So runway models are stick thin - if that's what they want to show to show off their clothes then fine.

Girls seriously don't look at runway models and want to look like them. They look at Victoria Secret chicks, singers and actresses - and although most are thin too they are not like these runway chicks.

tits and arse are mandatory. go eat a cheeseburger, ladies.

meow85 said:

And the vast legions of straight people who make fashion a multibillion-dollar industry the world over are too stupid to collectively say, "No!?"

I know many gay men who do call "normal, healthy" women fat. But they're almost always of a generally misogynous type that'd find absurd flaws about any woman. The same guys would swear up and down a thin woman, on the other hand, was throwing up all of her food. Meanwhile, I know not only just as many gay men who adore women regardless of their size, but many who are actually inclined toward -- even romanticize -- full-figured women as quintessentially diva-like.

Anyway, if these homos run today's fashion industry, my guess is they also did (albeit closeted) 40, 60, 80 years ago when a more curvaceous figure was in vogue.

I suspect the ups and downs of what is a desirable weight are dictated more along societal lines -- and if the fashion industry's disproportionate gayness has any role, it's only insofar as we ('mos) seem in many artistic fields to accentuate aesthetic gender ideals that already are venerated.
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whistle said:

Butt yes, however, breasts are not usually affected by how much a woman eats, so "eating a cheeseburger" will usually not increase bust size. Just look at comedian Mo'Nique's chest. She was considered overweight, but her bra size was no more than an A cup.

Eating would help under-muscle toned men though. So: Pecs and abs are necessary, so go eat and do some push-ups, fellas.

JustErin said:

I agree.
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whistle said:

Shit if cheeseburgers went to titts I'd have a quarter pounder with cheese in my mouth morning noon and fucking nite!

TotalANXiousNESS said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

when you had meat on your bones your boobs were very impressive! what happened?

Alej said:

exactly


we piss and moan in general about remaining young and youthful. Wouldnt we all like to remain 21 forever? In a persons prime most are at these sizes. like straight men are not attracted to young women.

ZombieKitten said:

I dunno. I'm tellin ya charlotte my tits are a damn mystery to me. They really are. I swear it's the first place I lose weight last place I gain it.

Fuck them! Stupid fuckin things!

Cuddles said:

That's just not true.

Runway models are not people in their prime at all - they are just really, really thin chicks...natural or not, I dunno.

And most people would have to seriously work hard to be that thin - really hard. That hardly puts someone in their prime.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Cuddles said:

So...a woman is in her prime between the ages of 16 and 18? Because that's how old a lot of the runway models are.

These are not mature women. They are teenagers (and late bloomers, at that). Trust me - as soon as these girls' growth catches up with them, their careers (at least, their runway careers) are over.

where the hell is ace I mean ass? He should be all over this thread!

where the hell is ace I mean ass? He should be all over this thread!

Cuddles said:

Yeah, I just don't see what the big deal is.
It's fashion.
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millions and millions of Asians are this small and nobody considers them unhealthy. Western culture promotes obesity, plain and simple.

whistle said:

But their body frames are smaller. They are shorter as well.

I agree that the western world at large (ha!) promotes obesity, and the US is mostly to blame for that.

But the fashion industry is most definitely at fault for promoting unrealistic beauty ideals as well. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

CarrieMpls said:

Again, I don't think that people look at the fashion industry like they did in the 80s and 90s. Girls used to want to be runway models, now a days...no one even knows who these chicks are and most people think those girls are actually really unattractive so I don't think the fashion industry even tries to promote these women as being attractive or ideal - if they do it's just within their very secluded, very delusional circles.

JustErin said:

It's still the images we are bombarded with every day, though. It's in every magazine, billboard, tv, etc. No one is even real anymore - everyone's photoshopped. Heck, there are people on here who won't even post their own pictures without photoshopping out lines on their forehead or a bit of flab on their arm.
That's what I mean by unrealistic - we aren't ever looking at real people anymore - it's an artist's rendering of a person. And most people, especially impressionable young people, still don't know that.

CarrieMpls said:

guess why that is the case...

whistle said:

Genetic evolution?

Your skeleton and body frame isn't something you can change...

CarrieMpls said:

so we're not fat, we're just big-boned? cmon...

Americans were shorter and thinner 100 years ago. even 50 years ago.

WaterInYourBath said:

whistle said:

I'm not saying that at all. Our diet does effect how we evolve as a people but one person can not change their musculo-skeletal make-up. It is not realistc to think that all western women should be the same size as asian women.
If I tried to become a size 2 it would be extremely unhealthy for me to do so because it would likely be physically impossible.

Fauxie said:

"Bone smuggler"?!? I thought I'd heard it all, but I guess not!

A friend of mine got verrrry thin and somehow his BMI rates him in the upper normal range.