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PrintableMach said: I learned about the law of attraction yrs and yrs ago from both my Dad and a psychology class in high school
We have worked with vision boards and intentional workings dealing with conscious thought process towards attraction It works well though I find it interesting that often times you can see the workings of attraction in people that are not conciously aware they are attracting things to them like ... things people put so much time and unintentional thoughts into "hating" something - it comes right into their lives and then they are frustrated  | |
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Mach said: I learned about the law of attraction yrs and yrs ago from both my Dad and a psychology class in high school
We have worked with vision boards and intentional workings dealing with conscious thought process towards attraction It works well though I find it interesting that often times you can see the workings of attraction in people that are not conciously aware they are attracting things to them like ... things people put so much time and unintentional thoughts into "hating" something - it comes right into their lives and then they are frustrated If it's at a subconscious level--no message board in the world is going to change the pattern, IMO. I think it's one thing to do exercises, message boards.. all these external things to break a cycle. But until realizations are made "internally," dynamics won't change. I really think a person has to "internalize" and identify what he/she is doing to create a dynamic and why. Ultimately, changing that dynamic is very scary and therefore very difficult. It's always easier to remember the bad things people say about you and disregard the good. Then again, some people just remember the good so much they don't even think their capable of being wrong, hurtful.. whatever... It's not easy... It's not easy to be honest with yourself one way or another. There are people who blame themselves for every. single. thing. I've worked with people who blame themselves because their parents are assholes, for example. I've worked with people who are caught-up being victims, too. At one point.. a person has to say.."Wait a minute," I'm not the one who's being abusive." "Why am I allowing this person to walk all over me?" I think there's a balance to be found. I've seen people who are so "positive" about themselves--never willing to admit to a mistake, they run-on over less confident people. And the less-confident people allow it because after all, they aren't worth much, proving it time and time again because they aren't as dominant or don't really buy into what society says they SHOULD be! 
So.. I just think..there's a give and take. Ultimately, you can't keep beating yourself up or allowing others to beat you up for who you are or your core beiefs! On the other hand, you also have respect others have "message boards," some in competition and completely opposed with the message board you've created for yourself! 
Anyway I just like to think we all are trying to make sense of the world and life. We are all trying to be happy...and discover what might be making us unhappy--if anything! I do think appreciating what you have at the moment goes a long way. At the same time, humans have imaginations and can dream of even better moments or worse. So....
It's a mystery! [Edited 2/4/10 9:00am] | |
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deadmansbones said: Mach said: I learned about the law of attraction yrs and yrs ago from both my Dad and a psychology class in high school
We have worked with vision boards and intentional workings dealing with conscious thought process towards attraction It works well though I find it interesting that often times you can see the workings of attraction in people that are not conciously aware they are attracting things to them like ... things people put so much time and unintentional thoughts into "hating" something - it comes right into their lives and then they are frustrated If it's at a subconscious level--no message board in the world is going to change the pattern, IMO. I think it's one thing to do exercises, message boards.. all these external things to break a cycle. But until realizations are made "internally," dynamics won't change. I really think a person has to "internalize" and identify what he/she is doing to create a dynamic and why. It's not easy... It's not easy to be honest with yourself. On the other hand, there are people who blame themselves for every. single. thing. I've worked with people who blame themselves because their parents are assholes, for example. I've worked with people who are caught-up being victims, too. At one point.. a person has to say.."Wait a minute," I'm not the one who's being abusive." "Why am I allowing this person to walk all over me?" I think there's a balance to be found. I've seen people who are so "positive" about themselves--never willing to admit to a mistake, they run-on over less confident people. And the less-confident people allow it because after all, they aren't worth much, proving it time and time again because they aren't as dominant or don't really buy into what society says they SHOULD be!
So.. I just think..there's a give and take. Ultimately, you can't keep beating yourself up or allowing others to beat you up for who you are! On the other hand, you also have respect others have "message boards," some in competition with the message board you've created for yourself!
Anyway I just like to think we all are trying to make sense of the world and life. We are all trying to be happy...and discover what might be making us unhappy--if anything! I do think appreciating what you have at the moment goes a long way. At the same time, humans have imaginations and can dream of even better moments or worse. So....
It's a mystery! I think the subconcious has just as much if not more power then concious thought ~ specially when it's undirected and I do not agree that a person has to know what they are doing to attract now being aware of our thoughts and intentions is a powerful thing - but not being so, holds power over us as well and attracts just as much as intentional actions | |
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Mach said: deadmansbones said: If it's at a subconscious level--no message board in the world is going to change the pattern, IMO. I think it's one thing to do exercises, message boards.. all these external things to break a cycle. But until realizations are made "internally," dynamics won't change. I really think a person has to "internalize" and identify what he/she is doing to create a dynamic and why. It's not easy... It's not easy to be honest with yourself. On the other hand, there are people who blame themselves for every. single. thing. I've worked with people who blame themselves because their parents are assholes, for example. I've worked with people who are caught-up being victims, too. At one point.. a person has to say.."Wait a minute," I'm not the one who's being abusive." "Why am I allowing this person to walk all over me?" I think there's a balance to be found. I've seen people who are so "positive" about themselves--never willing to admit to a mistake, they run-on over less confident people. And the less-confident people allow it because after all, they aren't worth much, proving it time and time again because they aren't as dominant or don't really buy into what society says they SHOULD be!
So.. I just think..there's a give and take. Ultimately, you can't keep beating yourself up or allowing others to beat you up for who you are! On the other hand, you also have respect others have "message boards," some in competition with the message board you've created for yourself!
Anyway I just like to think we all are trying to make sense of the world and life. We are all trying to be happy...and discover what might be making us unhappy--if anything! I do think appreciating what you have at the moment goes a long way. At the same time, humans have imaginations and can dream of even better moments or worse. So....
It's a mystery! I think the subconcious has just as much if not more power then concious thought ~ specially when it's undirected and I do not agree that a person has to know what they are doing to attract now being aware of our thoughts and intentions is a powerful thing - but not being so, holds power over us as well and attracts just as much as intentional actions I agree... except.. I have a problem with the word "attracts." LOL I prefer to think of it as creating "dynamics." But ultimately yeah.. we have to get at the core reasons.. And like I said, some people never change because it's more comfortable living in the dynamics they've created. Even though to outsiders those dynamics are obviously self-defeating--even abusive, It's all these people have ever known known--and it's easier to keep the same pattern going than breaking it. It's the role in life they've created for themselves.. Speaking of roles, I just had an interesting experience. It's long story.. but the short of it is in order to play within the "group" I have been forced to take-on the role of being insecure--you know being the new guy (relatively speaking)--even though I'm not insecure at all! It's actually some other people who are insecure, and I threaten them. But since I'm new.. I sort of have to placate them. I don't like it.... but it's really about group dynamics... I recognize what I'm doing though. I have to.."bow to the queen," if you get my drift. I respect the "queen, " but...make no mistake, I'm confident in my abilities. If I'm too confident, the "queen" becomes insecure, so I have to sort of work my way in there.
I don't like playing these games. But it is what it is...
Oh... I'm not talking about here! I'm talking about a work situation! Here, it's a different sort of dynamic. I can walk way. At work, I can't. I'm a pretty self-aware person. I'm also pretty observant. I've had to learn how to play the game which I don't really like... but..it's a fact of life. [Edited 2/4/10 9:14am] That's why I really like the show Survivor. I think it's interesting how group dynamics play-out.. It's really difficult to navigate. But ultimately, you have to KNOW yourself... and accept what it is.. You can't let it get to you! [Edited 2/4/10 9:16am] Books I prefer over The Secret are The Four Agreements; The Power of Now, The Art of Rational Thinking (I think that's the title-- a friend of mine loaned me that book a while ago) among others... One of my favorite plays is Sartre's No Exit. I think about it nearly everyday I also think about The Four Agreements everyday: Choose words carefully Always do your best Don't take things personally Don't make assumptions... Simple but effective It's not like I have to make a conscious effort to think about them. I just do.. [Edited 2/4/10 10:10am] | |
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Oh.. another play I really like is Antigone by Jean Anouilh!
Both Antigone and No Exit touch upon how we are locked into roles-with Sartre implying we don't have the courage to escape when given the opportunity, choosing to stay in our own individual hell!
In fact, in No Exit, Sartre suggests we limit each other by our "gazes." In other words we fall into expected behavior.. other people's "expectations" limits our fulfillment! But we don't have the courage to "be, " even though we hate the reflection of ourselves in the eyes of others! Of course, Sartre existentialist philosophy! They're both pretty cool plays if you ever have the chance to read them.. [Edited 2/4/10 10:45am] | |
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johnart said: NDRU said: yeah it's the same concept popularized by these books ... The Secret doesn't claim to have invented the concept of Law of Attraction. It actually credits many sources that have established and taught it. It is just a gathering of teachers and life coaches speaking on it. It is just like one particular subject can be taught by many different schools and teachers. true, I wasn't trying to put it down as being unoriginal, more just saying as you did that there are lots of ways to learn the same thing. Some of them might be seemingly contradictory, some old, some new, some goofy, some serious, etc My Legacy
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I have not seen it but someone did insist I borrow it to watch. I wished I did not have to watch it! Then I lost it. Then I had to pay for it. I bet that person was really wishing I would give them $30!
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OnlyNDaUsa said: I have not seen it but someone did insist I borrow it to watch. I wished I did not have to watch it! Then I lost it. Then I had to pay for it. I bet that person was really wishing I would give them $30!
holy cow it works! 
I wished the video shoot would be cancelled this weekend. To the point where I procrastinated about booking any accommodation or organising anything 
it was like I couldn't visualise it happening. Sometimes I see myself doing future tasks very clearly. This one just wasn't there. Last night the director called up, devastated, to tell us we didn't have a camera or cinematographer any more - so we have to postpone   | |
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Well one of the guys is now in the joint for that spiritual cleansing that killed a few folks. | |
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NDRU said: johnart said: The Secret doesn't claim to have invented the concept of Law of Attraction. It actually credits many sources that have established and taught it. It is just a gathering of teachers and life coaches speaking on it. It is just like one particular subject can be taught by many different schools and teachers. true, I wasn't trying to put it down as being unoriginal, more just saying as you did that there are lots of ways to learn the same thing. Some of them might be seemingly contradictory, some old, some new, some goofy, some serious, etc Agreed. And I guess to answer the question of the thread, No. I don't run around telling people or talking about it all the time. In part for the reason you state above (that there are lots of ways to learn the same) and because I'm too busy getting my OWN life in order and proper productive direction. Who am I to run around telling people what approach they should take?
My aunt has been going through some very negative stuff for a couple of years. I gave her the cd's (she likes to listen to audio books in the car), because I find them uplifting and being close to her and knowing her as I do, I think she would too. It's not the kind of thing I'd run around telling people on checkout lines. | |
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johnart said: NDRU said: true, I wasn't trying to put it down as being unoriginal, more just saying as you did that there are lots of ways to learn the same thing. Some of them might be seemingly contradictory, some old, some new, some goofy, some serious, etc Agreed. And I guess to answer the question of the thread, No. I don't run around telling people or talking about it all the time. In part for the reason you state above (that there are lots of ways to learn the same) and because I'm too busy getting my OWN life in order and proper productive direction. Who am I to run around telling people what approach they should take?
My aunt has been going through some very negative stuff for a couple of years. I gave her the cd's (she likes to listen to audio books in the car), because I find them uplifting and being close to her and knowing her as I do, I think she would too. It's not the kind of thing I'd run around telling people on checkout lines. my friends are doing exactly that! it's annoying as hell!!!! | |
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johnart said: NDRU said: true, I wasn't trying to put it down as being unoriginal, more just saying as you did that there are lots of ways to learn the same thing. Some of them might be seemingly contradictory, some old, some new, some goofy, some serious, etc Agreed. And I guess to answer the question of the thread, No. I don't run around telling people or talking about it all the time. In part for the reason you state above (that there are lots of ways to learn the same) and because I'm too busy getting my OWN life in order and proper productive direction. Who am I to run around telling people what approach they should take?
My aunt has been going through some very negative stuff for a couple of years. I gave her the cd's (she likes to listen to audio books in the car), because I find them uplifting and being close to her and knowing her as I do, I think she would too. It's not the kind of thing I'd run around telling people on checkout lines. yeah it's tempting when you get excited about something to tell everyone, but it can come across as preachy, and my friends don't really like preachers! My Legacy
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NDRU said: johnart said: Agreed. And I guess to answer the question of the thread, No. I don't run around telling people or talking about it all the time. In part for the reason you state above (that there are lots of ways to learn the same) and because I'm too busy getting my OWN life in order and proper productive direction. Who am I to run around telling people what approach they should take?
My aunt has been going through some very negative stuff for a couple of years. I gave her the cd's (she likes to listen to audio books in the car), because I find them uplifting and being close to her and knowing her as I do, I think she would too. It's not the kind of thing I'd run around telling people on checkout lines. yeah it's tempting when you get excited about something to tell everyone, but it can come across as preachy, and my friends don't really like preachers! post your pic!  | |
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ZombieKitten said: NDRU said: yeah it's tempting when you get excited about something to tell everyone, but it can come across as preachy, and my friends don't really like preachers! post your pic! I guess maybe I should preach!
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ZombieKitten said: johnart said: Agreed. And I guess to answer the question of the thread, No. I don't run around telling people or talking about it all the time. In part for the reason you state above (that there are lots of ways to learn the same) and because I'm too busy getting my OWN life in order and proper productive direction. Who am I to run around telling people what approach they should take?
My aunt has been going through some very negative stuff for a couple of years. I gave her the cd's (she likes to listen to audio books in the car), because I find them uplifting and being close to her and knowing her as I do, I think she would too. It's not the kind of thing I'd run around telling people on checkout lines. my friends are doing exactly that! it's annoying as hell!!!!I have a friend who is bugging all of his friends about some program he's in. He's been unemployed for about 2 years. And he keeps talking about the program and how he exercises now, has a good relationship with his wife, etc because of the program. That's nice & all, but it's a lot easier to exercise & be organized when you have no job! My Legacy
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NDRU said: ZombieKitten said: post your pic! I guess maybe I should preach!
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ZombieKitten said: NDRU said: I guess maybe I should preach!
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The book is Ellis' A Guide to Rational Living.
I prefer this to The Secret because it leaves the universe out of it! It has similar concepts though. I think they all share some common ideas.
A Guide to Rational Living
Are you rational or rationalizing? What is it that you want? That’s easy to answer because we all want the same thing: happiness. Since that’s the case, anything we willingly do that robs us of what we want (happiness) is stupid. ‘Irrational’ is just a polite term for ‘stupid.’ How often do we act against our own best interests? How often do we do stupid things? Part of being human is to accept that we are less than perfect and bound to make mistakes. However, whether we experience more happiness than misery, or vice-versa, depends on how we behave after making mistakes. Whenever we do something stupid, such as arrive late at the office every day, we have a choice. We can admit our error, analyze what we are doing wrong, and correct our behaviour. Or we can rationalize. That is, instead of taking responsibility, we may blame others, claim that it is not our fault, or insist that our actions were justified. Whether we are happy or miserable, then, depends on whether we live rational lives or lives of rationalizing. One proponent of rational living is Dr. Albert Ellis, who originated Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy in 1955. Building on the small amount of research in cogitive-behavior therapy that existed at that time, he developed a school of psychotherapy that continues to have a profound effect on contemporary thought. For example, Dr. Aaron T. Beck, who is credited with establishing the now popular Cognitive Therapy, built on the work of Dr. Ellis. Today, the main spokesman for Cognitive Therapy is Dr. David D. Burns (author of "Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy" and "The Feeling Good Handbook"). Dr. Ellis’ landmark book, A Guide to Rational Living was introduced in 1961. A brilliant writer, Dr. Ellis sprinkled his book with wit and wrote it for non-professionals in clear, everyday language. The latest version of his book is entitled "a new guide to RATIONAL LIVING" and is available at libraries and Amazon.com. The theory and practice of Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT) can be abbreviated as ABCDE. ‘A’ represents an internal or external ACTIVATING EVENT that triggers a thought and emotional feeling. ‘B’ stands for our BELIEF (attitudes, opinions, and expectations) that color, influence, and shape our thoughts. ‘C’ refers to the emotional and behavioral CONSEQUENCES of our belief about ‘A.’ ‘D’ represents DISPUTE, the act of challenging our thoughts when they are irrational (distorted). ‘E’ is the positive EFFECT that results from challenging our irrational thoughts, for when we change our thoughts, we change our feelings. Our thoughts and feelings are linked, so that negative thoughts go with negative feelings and positive thoughts are accompanied by positive feelings. Our feelings are important, for they are how we experience life. I may have happy thoughts, but happiness is about FEELING happy. www.amapedia.amazon.com/v.../id=480821 [Edited 2/5/10 5:33am] | |
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