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Reply #30 posted 01/16/03 11:02am

salaciousV

IceNine said:

salaciousV said:

IceNine said:

wellbeyond said:

I would suggest both the parent and the child moving closer to the employment's new location...

If that's not possible for some reason, then I'd suggest having a close loved one to take care of the child while the parent tries to find another job--or even another career--which will keep him/her within a good traveling time of the child...

It also depends on the age of the child..the older they are, the easier it may be for them to cope with changes like this at home...I'd suggest discovering new ways to share the time that will be shared...even though it may be less, it could still end up being just as rewarding and loving...

Could an arrangement be made with the ex-spouse in which they spend more of their time with the child during the week, allowing more weekends to be free for the current parent??...


Fine suggestions!

Let's hypothetically say that the protagonist is not willing to move or re-arrange his life in order to sell his life to a corporation and thus take his five year old son out of a good school.

Part of the problem is that the imaginary protagonist believes that life is not about work and really wishes that he did not work in the information technology field but was lured in by the money and has fallen into a capitalistic trap.

Maybe it is time for the imaginary protagonist to get his PhD and do something productive with his life...


Ice:

In this case the protaganist is correct in his organic association to the quality of life. He should give himself a time frame and sock away cash like a squirrel allowing himself some mobility should he be without work for a few months.

Like I said, kids adapt extremely well and comprehend more than we think.

Work the system. I'd say, work the job. Horde what you can. Explain in a visual timeline when daddy will be back to normal hours and create your own empire. If it were me, That's what I'd do.

In a weird way, I would slightly agree with the Gecko -- have that protagonist siphon all his talents towards a new venture (maybe even a home business) instead of diffusing his boredom over the boards. I think that an intellect with problem solving capabilities will find a way out of this one.


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The imaginary protagonist has already been engaged in cost-cutting and saving measures and is trying to keep his head about monetary things now. The imaginary protagonist is pretty much 100% certain that he will work the horrible job until the court case is over, at which point he will have saved even more money and will be in a better position to leave.

The imaginary protagonist would certainly have less time for Prince.org if he does not continue with his new job and moves on to his own business.




The imaginary protaganist always prevails against the antagonist and will remain a HERO; regardless of time spent on the Org.

A legend has been born. smile
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Reply #31 posted 01/16/03 11:03am

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If moving is out and selling your sould to the capitalist machine is out then maybe this has happened for a reason! Sometimes life throws these curve balls as an "out". Maybe this is the hypothetical protaganist's way to get out of the life he's been living for 6 years at this company and start on a new path.

However, change doesn't always have to be drastic and immediate. Stick it out so you can support your kid and yourself, and while doing whatever it is that IT people do, surf the web, request catalogs for Ph D programs you'd be interested in, send out resumes. Take the time you have driving 2 hours to work to plan out your next few steps in life, then save save and save some more while you are at the IT job. Soon enough your plans will fall into place and you'll have the $ to follow through with them!

Good luck on whatever you decide!


Yeah, the imaginary protagonist has decided that saving as much money as possible is the way to go... this will allow other things to fall into place.

The imaginary protagonist thanks you. biggrin
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Reply #32 posted 01/16/03 11:05am

IrishGecko

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rolleyes WHATEVER!! You are not even worth the arguement..You are one unhappy person! You must be like 85 years old...and where is your picture? Maybe YOU should retire from the org nod


Stop assuming
u assume the world
I am a very happy person
happy with the life I am living
but unhappy about
the world around me
about my country doing
ENDURING INJUSTICE
but I am an old soul yes
and if 1 day I retire from the org
I will simply vanish
unlike u
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Reply #33 posted 01/16/03 11:05am

wellbeyond

"There are far too many smart, educated, talented people operating at quarter speed, unsure of their place in the world, contributing far too little to the productive engine of modern civilization. There are far too many people who look like they have their act together but have yet to make an impact. You know who you are. It comes down to a simple gut check: You either love what you do or you don't. Period."

Ahhh...time for me to log off and start "doing what I love to do", me thinks...lol 8)
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Reply #34 posted 01/16/03 11:06am

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wellbeyond said:

"There are far too many smart, educated, talented people operating at quarter speed, unsure of their place in the world, contributing far too little to the productive engine of modern civilization. There are far too many people who look like they have their act together but have yet to make an impact. You know who you are. It comes down to a simple gut check: You either love what you do or you don't. Period."

Ahhh...time for me to log off and start "doing what I love to do", me thinks...lol 8)


Damn... that quote has propelled me down the road to suicide... sad

Just kidding... biggrin
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Reply #35 posted 01/16/03 11:08am

wellbeyond

By the way...good luck to Mr. Hypothetical...I don't think there's any doubt in anyone's mind that he'll prevail...not even in his own... biggrin



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Reply #36 posted 01/16/03 11:11am

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Run to South Florida.

Yamomma would hire such imaginary protagonist in studio as sales person.

The imaginary protagonist could earn 20-25 percent of all business he brought to said studio.

The imaginary protagonist could still work from home.

Yamomma could hook him up with a place to stay temporarily. Would have to check with Ms. Yamomma.

Then again South Florida schoos stink. So the imaginary protagonist's child might suffer unless the imaginary protagonist could afford home schooling.
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Reply #37 posted 01/16/03 11:14am

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wellbeyond said:

salaciousV said:

In a weird way, I would slightly agree with the Gecko -- have that protagonist siphon all his talents towards a new venture (maybe even a home business) instead of diffusing his boredom over the boards. I think that an intellect with problem solving capabilities will find a way out of this one.

Hmmm...I think that could apply to more people than just the hypothetical person...me included... redface

Ya know...I'm guilty here...wtf am I doing here?!
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Reply #38 posted 01/16/03 11:15am

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yamomma said:

Run to South Florida.

Yamomma would hire such imaginary protagonist in studio as sales person.

The imaginary protagonist could earn 20-25 percent of all business he brought to said studio.

The imaginary protagonist could still work from home.

Yamomma could hook him up with a place to stay temporarily. Would have to check with Ms. Yamomma.

Then again South Florida schoos stink. So the imaginary protagonist's child might suffer unless the imaginary protagonist could afford home schooling.


Mr. Hypothetical offers a VERY heart-felt thank you! biggrin
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Reply #39 posted 01/16/03 11:19am

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Yamomma's job is very similar to the imaginary protagonist.

Most of our resources have been shipped to India.
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Reply #40 posted 01/16/03 11:41am

ian

Shit situation Mr Hypothetical, but all too common nowadays sad

I say in the short term, keep the job (so you still have salary coming in) but get your arse into as many interviews as you can muster and find a new job where the quality of life for you and your son won't suck quite so much.

There IS still plenty of work out there, it just takes a bit of legwork to get it unlike during the late 90s when they just landed in your lap.

Anyway I do you hope you get something sorted...
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Reply #41 posted 01/16/03 11:41am

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IceNine said:

Shorty said:

take the job for now, but update your resume and send it out like a mad man?
just a thought


How do you deal with not being able to spend time with the most important person in the world and the absolute heartache that comes along with not spending time with him?

how do you deal? I don't know...I guess we just deal...it sux I know. wish I had some magical answer. sad
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #42 posted 01/16/03 11:49am

tommyalma

The imaginary protagonist should get the heck off the org (after reading my post) and head to monster.com, or hit the streets, or call everybody that person knows to see what's available. The longer the protagonist goes without being employed, the harder it will be to find a good job. Employers are impressed when one takes a crappy job to make ends meet while searching for that in back to his career of choice (it shows a good work ethic, responsibility and sense. I had a buddy who works in IT who got laid off and took a job at Ross unpacking boxes until he found something better. Now he's making more money. You need to account for every week of your life on a resume and the more seamless it is, the more valuable you become).

If the imaginary long-distance job is the only job available, then the imaginary protagonist has a responsibility to take that job. No imaginary protagonist can care for his imaginary child by staying at his imaginary home and not bringing home the imaginary bacon. Do what's best for the kid. The worst thing that could happen to the imaginary protagonist is that he stops providing for his child, thus giving the mother a good legal reason to seek custody.
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Reply #43 posted 01/16/03 11:55am

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This is indeed a tough question!

The child is most important! He needs to be nurtured and cared for.

You can find other work. Or perhaps you can explain the situation to your company, and if you are lucky they can make some sort of arrangement..

If not you need to chose between your child, and the job..

Now go take on the day!
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Reply #44 posted 01/16/03 12:12pm

applekisses

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Let's say that you are a single parent who has custody of your son and you to take him to school in the mornings and get him after school in the afternoons each day. You are lucky enough to have a job that allows you to work from home in the mornings and afternoons so that you can take care of your son. Let's also say that you have been working at the same job for 6 years and have survived many layoffs, but the company has now decided to eliminate your entire department, along with a number of other IT departments... furthermore, let's say that you are given the opportunity to keep your current salary and remain employed, but you will be moved to a remote location where you cannot work from home at all and you will have to drive about 2 hours to and from work each day, thus making it so that you will work from 10AM to 6PM where you will drive home and arrive at about 8:00PM, just in time to give your son a bath and get him to bed. To complicate matters, let's say that your ex gets the kid on the weekends, so the only time you get to see him is during the week.

Oh, let's throw another wrench in the works... let us say that you are involved in a custody battle that has not made it to court yet and you absolutely cannot quit the job, so you are totally stuck without any options.

What would you do in this case?

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[This message was edited Thu Jan 16 10:20:11 PST 2003 by IceNine]


Ice, this sucks, hon. I'm so sorry. My advice is that you should keep the job you have and send out as many resumes as you can.
Perhaps your ex can take your son for a few days during the week so that you can have the weekends with him? Or, maybe every other weekend? Is she reasonable and would she comprimise with you?
If not, I know you will miss each other, but it won't be forever and I'm sure your son will understand. He's old enough to be able to understand a bit of what is going on.
I think, personally, that it would be a big mistake to quit your job (without having another one) or refuse to transfer.
I think the situation would get much worse.
Please take care of yourself and let us know what happens. smile
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Also, check out any universities near you...they always need IT people and you'd probably get free tuition out of it - for you and for your son (if you stayed with the job.)
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Reply #45 posted 01/16/03 12:23pm

tommyalma

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Also, check out any universities near you...they always need IT people and you'd probably get free tuition out of it - for you and for your son (if you stayed with the job.)
smile


exclaim exclaim exclaim That's exactly where my IT friend found work, at a local university! Plus, they're paying for him to get certified in programming language classes, etc.
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Reply #46 posted 01/16/03 12:35pm

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tommyalma said:

applekisses said:


Also, check out any universities near you...they always need IT people and you'd probably get free tuition out of it - for you and for your son (if you stayed with the job.)
smile


exclaim exclaim exclaim That's exactly where my IT friend found work, at a local university! Plus, they're paying for him to get certified in programming language classes, etc.


The only problem is that the hypothetical person hates computers. sad

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Reply #47 posted 01/16/03 1:11pm

ian

IceNine said:

tommyalma said:

applekisses said:


Also, check out any universities near you...they always need IT people and you'd probably get free tuition out of it - for you and for your son (if you stayed with the job.)
smile


exclaim exclaim exclaim That's exactly where my IT friend found work, at a local university! Plus, they're paying for him to get certified in programming language classes, etc.


The only problem is that the hypothetical person hates computers. sad

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[This message was edited Thu Jan 16 12:44:51 PST 2003 by IceNine]


I take it you can't take your son and move to another state or country depending where you can find some good work that interests you, at least until the custody thing is finalised?
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Reply #48 posted 01/16/03 1:35pm

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ian said:

IceNine said:

tommyalma said:

applekisses said:


Also, check out any universities near you...they always need IT people and you'd probably get free tuition out of it - for you and for your son (if you stayed with the job.)
smile


exclaim exclaim exclaim That's exactly where my IT friend found work, at a local university! Plus, they're paying for him to get certified in programming language classes, etc.


The only problem is that the hypothetical person hates computers. sad

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[This message was edited Thu Jan 16 12:44:51 PST 2003 by IceNine]


I take it you can't take your son and move to another state or country depending where you can find some good work that interests you, at least until the custody thing is finalised?



Hypothetically speaking, that would be accurate. smile
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Reply #49 posted 01/16/03 3:47pm

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Our hypothetical character spoke to his lawyer and certain things are looking good.
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Reply #50 posted 01/16/03 4:06pm

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IceNine said:

Our hypothetical character spoke to his lawyer and certain things are looking good.


Good, tell this hypothetical, hipocritical character good luck, and lots of love..
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Reply #51 posted 01/16/03 4:14pm

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Fuck it all off, man. Eat a pie.
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Reply #52 posted 01/16/03 7:01pm

4LOVE

Been there done most of that. Plan ahead on everything you do until you go to court. Your job is very important so cut down any social time you have and get settled in. Try to work out an arrangement with your ex so you can see your child. Explain your situation to your new boss. You may be amazed because most bosses are understanding when you are a single parent and you are trying to do the right thing. All of the above got me throught the madness in one piece and i can now look back at the past and SMILE.
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Reply #53 posted 01/16/03 7:08pm

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Hypothetical answer:
have the kid stay at my mothers house for a day or two,
and have the bitch SNUFFED!!!
I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
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Reply #54 posted 01/16/03 7:49pm

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00769BAD said:

Hypothetical answer:
have the kid stay at my mothers house for a day or two,
and have the bitch SNUFFED!!!


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Reply #55 posted 01/16/03 9:19pm

AnotherLover2

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I'll stop getting emotional, and let the men speak.


Whaaa? eek I saw several very rational, intelligent women give great advice here, too, not just "letting the men speak". rolleyes Damn, Lav!
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Reply #56 posted 01/16/03 9:45pm

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salaciousV said:

The economy sucks right now. Hypothetically, you would take the job, explain the situation to your child and let him know its for no more than 6 mos. Give yourself that deadlien of 6 mos and find another job.

If this person works IT they get paid considerably well; therefore finding jobs in their expertise (with so many layoffs) may prove to be difficult.

Keep the faith and don't spoil the child in the interim -- as to not confuse the kid with this person's guilt... (ie lack of time = toys). But I am sure this individual knows this.

Paper the town with resumes.

Unless the individual is THAT GOOD, maybe a trial situation discussed with the head honchos (ie maybe they work the wkends and shorten the wkdays?).


Wanted to add: Children are versatile and are capable of change much more than adults. Create a visual map and find ways to nurse your own heartache. He'll miss you, but he'll adapt.

The situation sucks, but many ppl have survived and raised good kids. You can do it. You'll suffer the most.
Allegedly wishing good luck.
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Now this makes sense to me!
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Reply #57 posted 01/16/03 9:50pm

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AnotherLover2 said:

salaciousV said:

The economy sucks right now. Hypothetically, you would take the job, explain the situation to your child and let him know its for no more than 6 mos. Give yourself that deadlien of 6 mos and find another job.

If this person works IT they get paid considerably well; therefore finding jobs in their expertise (with so many layoffs) may prove to be difficult.

Keep the faith and don't spoil the child in the interim -- as to not confuse the kid with this person's guilt... (ie lack of time = toys). But I am sure this individual knows this.

Paper the town with resumes.

Unless the individual is THAT GOOD, maybe a trial situation discussed with the head honchos (ie maybe they work the wkends and shorten the wkdays?).


Wanted to add: Children are versatile and are capable of change much more than adults. Create a visual map and find ways to nurse your own heartache. He'll miss you, but he'll adapt.

The situation sucks, but many ppl have survived and raised good kids. You can do it. You'll suffer the most.
Allegedly wishing good luck.
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Now this makes sense to me!

It does.

I re-read it and it is the truth.

I wish all the best. I really do. biggrin
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Reply #58 posted 01/16/03 11:17pm

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HAVE FAITH! Set your priorities and live the life you dream of!!! Best of luck. Kinda like jumpin out of an airplane w/ out a chute.




Ain't life a trip???
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Reply #59 posted 01/16/03 11:22pm

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Ice sad I really hope things work out for Mr. Hypothetical- I know him to be a great guy with a promising future.
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