Not deodorant, but antiperspirant

TrevorAyer said:

Cinnie said:

I don't know if there's proof or not but I think there's a potential for cancer risks involving anti-persperants.

TrevorAyer said:

I love how these men feel like they are entitled to dictate to women what they should do with their bodies or more educated than women about breast cancer. Too bad they can't do our dying too.
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SCNDLS said:

I feel like telling everyone on this thread without titties to shut the fuck up. i love how people are trying to tell ME how I feel about mine.

Vendetta1 said:

not that you 2 ladies give a shit about what I think...but I didn't get the impression that Trevor was trying to dictate anything to women or come off as more educated than women about breast cancer or try to tell us how we feel about it all...at all. Not really sure why you guys are coming down on him or any man for that matter. Just because they don't have breasts doesn't mean they don't have any facts or knowledge on the subject. unless ofcourse we're talking about comments such as tony's. In that case...carry on.

Shorty said:

Trevor's statement that "women are trained to chose vanity insteady of health via the ads then scared into crazy crazy operations .. why not deprogram people to avoid cancer causing ingredients and toxins

rarely is anything hereditary ... what is passed down is the environment habits etc... twinkie lovin mommas gonna give child twinkies and diabities .. doctors take no real steps to help people be healthy they make too much money on the sick and cutting you up just buys them a new vacation home"

This along with Tony's dumbassetry are not only assinine comments and judgmental of women and their choices but dangerous opinions not facts IMO. In this respect, they both need to shut the fuck up.
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SCNDLS said:

OK OK...those statements are blaket-ish and a bit out there but do hold some truth do they not?..I mean I don't like to admit it but young women are kinda brainwashed (trained) to think vanity is oh so important.
and like it or not alot of what is "hereditary" are bad habits in many families.
No, I don't think that's all that's hereditary but the statement does hold some water...unlike tony's comments.
I guess his message of eliminating toxins and trying to deprogram our selves from what we are used to is what made sense to me.

Shorty said:

As I've already stated repeatedly prophylactic mastectomies are only recommended when multiple factors point to breast cancer, heredity being one of them. To say that this and other diseases are not hereditary is patently stupid especially since, in the case of breast cancer, a familial pattern is well-established. That's why I said his nonsensical comment is dangerous. Furthermore, anyone with some sense knows that people have very little control over their exposure to many of the cancer causing agents in our food, water, and air. So blaming cancer on mothers feeding kids twinkies as if that's the overwhelming cause of cancers, to use your word, is "retarded" as hell.

SCNDLS said:


as I've stated, I whole heartedly agree!


I don't think he was necessarily saying that. Maybe he was...if so I stand corrected.



But we do have some controll...more than we think in many cases. Again..I don't think he was blaming cancer on mothers feeding kids twinkies....mighta meant diabetes (not nec. true but not completely unthinkable) but not cancer. and I really don't think he indicated it as "the overwhelming cause of cancer" that's you just trying to make it seems worse than it really is ...to prove your point. Ofcourse that would be retarded...I know it's a great word but don't give me the credit for it...it's not "mine" really. like I said b4, maybe I mis read this dudes comments and if I did ...I will stand corrected.

Shorty said:

SCNDLS said:

well it is

Vendetta1 said:

I don't love it, it's annoying

I looked up a bunch of stuff about breast cancer last year--and about fibroadenomas.

From what I read, most breast cancers are hormone related. I think the most common are estrogen sensitive or something like that? The more agressive and rarer forms aren't estrogen sensitive, but sensitive to other hormones. Then there's a really rare form called inflammatory--a very aggressive breast cancer! I think that one's linked to the lymphatic system, but I'm not sure what causes it..

Now I can't remember all I've read... Usually, if a person is diagnosed after menopause, it's not as aggressive but more aggressive before menopause, I guess to do the circulating hormones? Also, hormone therapy to treat menopause can increase breast cancer risk--due to estrogen. In fact, there has a been a significant drop of breast cancer in women in their 50's because a lot of women are not using hormone therapy after menopause anymore. I'm just saying, in some types of breast cancer, there is a link to hormones. I don't know about all of it.

Fibroadenomas are benign tumors.. related to estrogen... usually found in younger women. Some can be complex--more high-risk than just the average one. Same thing with breast cysts--those can be complex, too, but most aren't??

All in all, if you really look at it, the chance of developing breast cancer is low, depending upon a woman's risk factors/personal history . But the problem is it's the second most common cancer in women--with skin cancer being first.

Something I found comforting is that most women do not die from breast cancer or more and more are surviving for a long time. That's why early detection is so important.

Oh.. there is also a link between ovarian cancer and breast cancer or at least some types of breast cancer. And there is a link between colon cancer and breast cancer. I think there's even a link between pancreatic cancer and breast cancer. In other words, if a first degree relative has colon cancer, for example, there is a chance breast cancer might occur in their offspring. I'm not sure how that works..

Anyway, I did my research for what it's worth!

deadmansbones said:

Thank you! Every woman should research this topic. It can save your life and the stress of not knowing any better. Worst thing you can do is think "It will never happen to me".
[Edited 2/2/10 15:44pm]

futurebaybeemama said:

I wanted to know what I was dealing with regarding the fibroadenoma.

I mean, there are all kinds of risk factors, unrelated to genetics. I read that getting pregnant after 30 is a risk factor, for example. I read that being overweight--particularly after menopause could be a risk factor! Another thing I thought was interesting is that smoking actually decreases the amount of estrogen in your system, BUT it increase the risks for more aggressive types of breast cancers. Oh.. another thing I found interesting is that African American women are actually at lower risk for breast cancer, BUT when they develop breast cancer it's usually more aggressive. Alcohol consumption can be a risk factor, depending upon your age. So once again, it's important to get things checked-out.

I just think we-- by virtue of being women-- have risked factors--some we can control--most we can't. So we just have to get those mammograms and/or annual gyn exams to stay on top of it to be on the safe side if nothing else. I think it's really important to have a clinical exam even if you're too young to start having regular mammograms. Most women regardless of age have a clinical when they go to their gyn's for annuals. At home, I think it's important to notice any change in your breast and have it checked out...

And women who have to go through biopsy after biopsy year after year, with a very strong chance of developing breast cancer in the future, they might have to be the most proactive of all, having to make a very difficult decision.
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ok lets clear a few things up

1. men have breasts

2. men get cancer

3. men die as a result of social programming (take a look at these treasonous wars we are programmed to participate in)

4. MOST illness is preventable

5. cancer is caused by many things and is considered one of the scarier and more aggressive forms of illness. people go on and on about how they are IN this situation and need doctors to fix it ... the whole health care system is designed to address the symptom not the cause of the illness. i am encouraging people to look at the cause and make changes ... you cant just go thru life being ignorant of what is in your environment and what you are injesting and then expect some doctor to give u a pill and fix it. the fact that women without cancer are cutting off their breasts out of fear when they do not even have signs of cancer is a red flag to the level that fear based SALES of health services have intigrated into our peoples mentality. this is a very very DANGEROUS way to think of your own health when in fact there is MUCH we can do to allow our bodies to remain strong and free of serious illness. much of what the pharmacutical and medical schools teach doctors is not based upon true health but in addressing the symptoms with an often unproven drug that just as often causes more harm than good. much like antibiotics destroy your immune system and make it harder to fight off illness in your system .. interesting enough the best thing for your immune system is to be raised on breast milk .. however we are programmed to think sugary formula is somehow just as good but its not ... lets talk more about milk and cancer ... bgh bovine growth hormone has been banned in most every country except the usa because it is proven to dramatically increase the rate of cancer growth ... yet in the us bgh manufactures and dairy industry have SUCCESSFULLY lobbied our government to bann the LABELING of NON BGH milk ... thats right we are not even given a choice to KNOW what is in our milk ... they say it makes their product look bad if other dairy is labeled as such ... well i bet a lot of people have dairy as a major part of their diet ... these are the subtle choices not so much revealed in our culture that are killing people and women .. yes so if WOMEN are dying why not educate each other instead of getting ur breasts hacked off.

its pretty simple .. there are natural things meant for our bodies .. food grown from the seed planted in the ground .... steriod injected meats and dairy are not healthy nor is most of the food in your grocery store .. pesticides on your veggies (would u spray your food with raid) preservatives in your food (do you really want to put something in your body designed NOT to decompose) and of course the usual murderers ... cigarettes, alchohal, prescription and overthe counter drugs, candy, chips anything cooked in canola oil (an oil that was original created as ENGINE OIL and is not digestable) .. ALL OF THESE PRODUCTS are sold to the public part of an ad campaign designed to program your way of thinking beyond what u know is true ... what is really good for you ..

and lets not forget stress. stress causes toxins ... toxins cause cancer .. we are programmed to join the rat race as tho we must work 60 hours per week to buy all this junk ... hd tvs cell phones ipods i pads i phones vid games blah blah blah ... lets talk cell phones ... illegal for kids under 18 in europe because skulls are not developed and thick enough and kids were getting tumors from the MICROWAVES from cell phones into ear .. yes MICROWAVES u know the kind that cooks ur food ... microwaves btw DESTROY ALL nutritional value in your food ... you might as well eat paper after u microwave something ... again your immune system will be strong if u eat good food with NUTRIENTS yet we are trained to destroy all nutritional value daily in our meals out of CONVENIENCE

no i dont think i know it all but your doctor sure doesnt .. they have women getting c sections and delivering babies upside down for their convenience ... hevent these guys heard of GRAVITY .. more children die from HOSPITAL BIRTHS than they do with home births ...

so lets be clear ... while it is frustrating to consistantly bear the brunt of those afraid to look beyond their PROGRAMMING while discussing serious health issues .. i still feel a desire to at least put the ideas out there for people to think about and know that there are GOOD INTELLIGENT CHOICES for people who dont want their life to come down to chopping off body parts out of fear based medical advice.

TrevorAyer said:

I really didn't focus on looking up a lot of things about male breast cancer. Now.. the inflammatory breast cancer maybe that's cauased by something else?

I do agree we as a country don't take care of ourselves. I was talking to the technician.. and I said I always admired what they do. I often thought about studying to become a physical therapist, but I really sucked at science!

Anyway, the tech said that even being a tech is a difficult job because so many Americans are overweight. She said being a physical therapist--or an assistant physical therapist is so hard because you have to lift people.. It's just hard.

Overall, I agree with you that we just don't listen. People smoke when they shouldn't. People drink too much--eat too much--don't get physicals..

I think the medical profession does issue warnings, but we don't listen!

I was watching this show last night on the travel channel. This guy was breaking all kinds of food eating records! I was just amazed--seriously amazed and shocked at what this guy was eating AND promoting--and all the people cheering him on. If you ever want to feel good about your diet--watch this guy eat. I could never eat all that stuff. In a way it was frightening.

We just don't take care of ourselves like we should. But then with certain things... it IS a matter of genetics, and there's not a lot we can do except be vigilent.

Here we go... For the hell of it, I looked up male breast cancer! Apparently, some of it is related to hormones.. but estrogen! Then there is a genetic predisposition. Here are the risk factors:


Mayo clinic, male breast cancer

Now I recall excess fat increase the circulating estrogen in women, so maybe this is true for men? I know excessive alcohol can increase circulating estrogen, too.
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