Shorty said:

With all due (dis)respect, THAT^ is your opinion.

I'm not retarded. I'm a very intelligent human being that isn't afraid of expressing my views/ideas/opinions in a way that I see fit (as long as I stay within the rules The Org of course).

I'm also straight single black man that knows good and well that breasts (regardless of sizes) are very important to women. Any woman that wants to post in THIS very thread to claim otherwise is a beautiful liar. A woman values her breast just as much as a man values his penis AND his nuts.

That is damn true.

TonyVanDam said:

That is your opinion. Saying it a million times will not make it true.

Vendetta1 said:

It isn't about that at all. Don't get it twisted.

Apparently these women are being tested for their risk of cancer before they do this and are making informed choices about whether they want to suffer through cancer treatments in the future.

And if there is no potential risk at all, then what is the point of going under the knife anyway? You see, this issue isn't exactly specific enough. And that is why I'm kinda went on a little rant about it.

TonyVanDam said:

Where did you read that there is no potential risk at all and women were still doing it?

If it is in a woman's family history, there is a risk.

wishingonastar said:

Thanks for posting this. No doubt a hard decision but ultimately probably saved your life.

SCNDLS said:

I know I wouldn't think twice before doing the same! I would rather LIVE too

TonyVanDam said:

No one is saying they're not important to us. We're not talking about women saying "hey, I think I'll get my boobs sliced off just because." And 9 times out of 10 they get reconstructive surgery after. We're not walking around boobless.

No woman makes that decision lightly. To think we do is ridiculous. When you are faced with a very real, very high risk, a risk that has an extremely strong chance of being fatal, you will do whatever it takes to lessen or eliminate that risk.

I have no doubt that my decision saved my life. And I got even better boobs than I was born with out of it!

wishingonastar said:

I don't know you but:

wishingonastar said:

True. And BTW, congratulation.

Thanks!

Shorty said:

yea but I think she actually had Cancer

Mach said:

I had to go in for some diagnostics last year--for a fibroadenoma, a benign tumor. Then I just went in yesterday for an annual follow-up this year just to be on the safe side. Last year, they didn't even have me come back at 6 months..

I tell ya what, it's the process.. being so scary, and I'm not even in a high risk group.. per se except I have that fibrocystic breast disease. Yesterday, as a matter of fact, I asked the radiologist about the double mastectomy thing, and she said for people who had a very, very high risk it might be appropriate because they are having to go back for all kinds of follow-ups--like invasive biopsies much less ultrasounds. But for somebody like me, she said it's really not appropriate.

I think though living in fear all the time.. it's hard on you. It was hard for me this past year. So it all depends upon the circumstances. I just think a person has to be diligent, and really look at their own history with the help of their doctors, do what's best for them!

SCNDLS said:

How did it turn out? Oh, I hope it didn't spread.

I'm just concerned about the diagnosticians she's dealing with. They tell her she's cancer free and then miss the metastasis? Who are these people?

Oh, and to you and your friend and "mom."

deadmansbones said:

Good for you for being proactive in your follow-up. I too had fibrocystic breasts which confused the dickens out of me every time I did a breast exam. I could not differentiate between the knots and bumps from a true mass, hence all the many biopsies.

Shyra said:

Thanks

I said the same thing but more like, "Who the fuck are these idiots????"

I believe the news is that it has spread and she starts chemo on Monday, when she just finished in Dec.

To be honest tho, I'm kinda upset with HER because she went more than 10 years without going to a gyno for REGULAR exams. If she had, this ovarian cancer could've likely been caught.

I'm in LA right now, so I havent had any updates. Ironically, I'm staying with one of my BFFs who was diagnosed with a rare ovarian cancer in '08 that only occurs 2% of the time. Hers was caught early, she did her chemo, and is completely fine now. She loved the short hair so much she's still rocking that shit and more beautiful than ever. I tell her all the time, "You're the ONLY bitch I know who could come outta chemo more gorgeous than ever." Last night, at least 10 strangers stopped to tell her how beautiful she is, all mentioned the short hair.

SCNDLS said:

Yes, I would be upset also for her not seeing a gynecologist. We women have so much shit we have to keep on top of. Ovarian cancer is nothing to play with in it's late stages because it's almost always fatal.

Same thing happened to me when I want through the chemo with Taxol. My hair had been long, to mid back. I cut it before chemo and most of it fell out during chemo, eyebrows/lashes, underarms, cootchie, erythang. When it started growing back, it looked terrific and I got loads of complements. (Complements for the hair on my head, not my cootchie!)

Shyra said:

Girl, don't be shy.

Yeah, that's what I've been hearing about the OC.

TonyVanDam said:

What in thee hell kinda sexist objectification BS is this...?

Nvrmd

Vendetta1 said:

Thank you.

Ottensen said:

There is no sexism in this thread. Just read post #62 please.
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TonyVanDam said:

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Who are you to be the spokesperson for women and what they value????

Did it ever occur to you that many of us value our very lives over what is aesthetically pleasing to others?

As much work as I've done on behalf of breast cancer charities and as many women as I've witnessed go through the ordeal of this illness from start to the bitter end... while you are certainly free to express your opinion here as you see fit, you don't sound like a person who is very knowledgeable about how this disease impacts women physically, spiritually, nor psychologically, and your statements come off as arrogant and ill-informed at best. Instead of of blanketing half of the earth's population with charcteristics you've assigned them based on your own paradigm, why not leave your hypothesis at "from my experience I believe that"...and call it a day. This is a pretty weighty topic that involves the issue of preventative medicine used to save lives. From what I've seen the last thing women are thinking about in these scenarios are whether or not they will be able to look good in a wet t-shirt or brassiere for some random man that does not see their worth beyond their flesh. In these dark moments, when weighing the options for how to prolong their lives, what matters most is survival, my friend... and living to see another day
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Ottensen said:

Wishingonastar already made that point. You're kinda late playing the hero at the last minute.

And where exactly in this thread did I ever said that I was THE spokesperson for anyone? All I did was make my points known. Do you even bother to read all of the posts anymore BEFORE responding?

Whatever. I was done with this topic 12+ hours ago.

TonyVanDam said:

Shyra said:

I wish I can say I was really brave, but I wasn't. I would have gone anyway, but my doctor advised me to go... I was told to go, so I did! I would have gone anyway though. There were no other options.

I was lucky because I didn't have to have a biopsy last year--just a diagnostic mammogram, and that was scary enough! LOL And it's always in the back of your mind.. or it was for me.

Yeah... you have to do what is right for you.

If my mom were to take this preventative action, given her family history of cancer, she might still be here.

I hope anybody who thinks they can make judgments on these women still have a mom alive. If so, go give them a hug for me, I miss my mom.

Slave2daGroove said:

TonyVanDam said:

Playing hero...?

Maybe you misunderstood my post and maybe I should clarify:

This conversation is about discussing (or even debating) ideas on preventative steps for breast cancer and to open dialogue on breast cancer awareness, bastá.

I'm sorry to hear that you would place my post into some kind of catagory of battle of wills, ego, and some nonsense abut playing hero (to whom?? people that die from lack of access to information about preventative steps they can take to save their lives? That's interesting view to say the least).Make no mistake my only purpose in posting on this topic is to learn, and to perhaps spread awareness about this disease and how lives can be saved. Anything else is moot. Furthermore, please know that when you make blanket statements and gross generalizations about the entire female population, stating their desires and what is important to them and then closing your assertions with phrases like "That's the truth", you are taking an active role in speaking for that population you have blanketed under a gross generalization or assumption whether you realize it, or intended to or not. It was your ideas I was challenging, not making it into a personal crusade (as you implied by your hero statement) more and not less.

Since you're done with the topic, thank you for your contribution and sharing your views. The discussion will continue to push forward (and hopefully in a positive direction) henceforth.

TonyVanDam said:

keep talking...you prove my point with every word. Tool!

breasts are for children ... its food .. despite the ad

doctors love to hack and drug .. despite the ad

people injest cancer causing food and chemicals in food drink and smoke

toxins are released thru under arm sweat ... women shave pits and apply anti perspirant directly on skin causing maximum effect. if toxins cannot release due to chems put under arms toxins build up around breast area

doctors and medicine are the NUMBER ONE KILLER in the U S .... its actually a medical fact .. they are out of control spreading fear as an excuse to cut u up like a human experiment.

women are trained to chose vanity insteady of health via the ads then scared into crazy crazy operations .. why not deprogram people to avoid cancer causing ingredients and toxins

rarely is anything hereditary ... what is passed down is the environment habits etc... twinkie lovin mommas gonna give child twinkies and diabities .. doctors take no real steps to help people be healthy they make too much money on the sick and cutting you up just buys them a new vacation home

TrevorAyer said:

Deodorant DOES NOT cause breast cancer.