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Reply #30 posted 01/23/10 1:45pm

ufoclub

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

ufoclub said:



Are you fucking kidding? Making your kid kill the pet with a hammer as a punishment?




not kidding. it is horrible and disgusting but is it really a crime? (oh and I was abused)


Yes, I'd say it's actually child abuse in the form of forcing the will of an underage dependent to inflict agrravated cruelty to a domesticated, dependent animal kept as a pet. So I, as well as other hair challenged primates on this brief planet, judge it punishable by the law we make up as a society refining species.

So in your personal case of abuse, do you feel it was against the law?
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Reply #31 posted 01/23/10 2:37pm

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ufoclub said:



Yes, I'd say it's actually child abuse in the form of forcing the will of an underage dependent to inflict agrravated cruelty to a domesticated, dependent animal kept as a pet. So I, as well as other hair challenged primates on this brief planet, judge it punishable by the law we make up as a society refining species.


I am separating the child abuse aspects with the killing of the hamster. I do not think killing the hamster should be a crime. I do not know what impact it had on the kid. And even if it was, I am not sure that it should be a crime. It is worth looking into this woman to see if other abuse existed, but as a stand alone event I would be hard to convince it was worthy of a criminal punishment.

So in your personal case of abuse, do you feel it was against the law?


Yeah I do. But repeated beatings for years is not the same as an apparent isolated case. If this is part of a pattern then I would re think this.
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Reply #32 posted 01/23/10 2:42pm

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Before I opened the link I thought to myself, "I bet these people are from down South".

And whad'ya know - they live in Georgia.
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Reply #33 posted 01/23/10 4:03pm

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abigail05 said:

Before I opened the link I thought to myself, "I bet these people are from down South".

And whad'ya know - they live in Georgia.



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Reply #34 posted 01/23/10 4:07pm

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abigail05 said:

Before I opened the link I thought to myself, "I bet these people are from down South".

And whad'ya know - they live in Georgia.



yeah, 'cause stupid shit doesn't happen anywhere else...neutral

surely this guy moved to New York from some backwoods southern state...there can't be any other explanation http://prince.org/msg/100/328679

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Reply #35 posted 01/23/10 4:07pm

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Dang, this mother couldn't ground the boy and over see her son to make sure he did his homework and read with him to im prove his grades?

Geesh what ever happened to taking away the video games?

So now, if the boy goes into a foster home, he may be emotionally AND physically abused too. GREAT PLAN! All kinds of dumb shit going on in this case. neutral
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Reply #36 posted 01/23/10 4:15pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

ufoclub said:



Yes, I'd say it's actually child abuse in the form of forcing the will of an underage dependent to inflict agrravated cruelty to a domesticated, dependent animal kept as a pet. So I, as well as other hair challenged primates on this brief planet, judge it punishable by the law we make up as a society refining species.


I am separating the child abuse aspects with the killing of the hamster. I do not think killing the hamster should be a crime. I do not know what impact it had on the kid. And even if it was, I am not sure that it should be a crime. It is worth looking into this woman to see if other abuse existed, but as a stand alone event I would be hard to convince it was worthy of a criminal punishment.

So in your personal case of abuse, do you feel it was against the law?


Yeah I do. But repeated beatings for years is not the same as an apparent isolated case. If this is part of a pattern then I would re think this.


As far as the hamster getting hammered to death, it's long standing here that domesticated pets or even some cases of wild animal/strays being tortured or killed (in some way outside of reasons for population control or for food) have led to persecution and charges on the human being of animal cruelty. I personally do believe that the reason for this is the unconscious connection/parallelism to human treatment as a reflection of that societies values. Personally, I try to not eat mammals because I drew the line there between expendable life and treasured life (since I have bonded with some animal mammals more than I'd imagine I would with some people).

And on another note I hope you've escaped the abuse you described!
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Reply #37 posted 01/23/10 5:36pm

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Why would I be kidding?

Do you think the animals the kid has been most likely eating on a daily basis were specifically asking to get killed? How would it be that different from kids who go fishing with their parents? After you've caught the fish, you're basically supposed to club it to death in most cases. In many cultures, kids are taught to slaughter animals very early on and the same still takes place on farms in the Western countries as well. So, "animal cruelty" seems to apply only when the animal is a cute, furry thing that can be kept also as a pet. Kids kill animals all the time themselves as well - birds, rodents, you name it. You can constantly find small animals being stoned to death by kids where I live.

So getting arrested for instructing a child to kill an animal is pretty shaky. Furthermore, questioning law enforcement practices and their lack of logic has nothing to do with compassion. The mother who did this seems to be quite clearly disturbed, but this incident also seems to be one of those cases where it appears to be conceptually more eyebrow-raising than what it actually is when viewn more neutrally. It is of course a very good indication that she might not be fit as a parent, but taking legal action would preferably demand something else than just that.
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Come on - your getting too literal.

The boy was forced to kill the pet against his will.

People fishing are not forced to do so.
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Reply #38 posted 01/23/10 7:29pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

... typical potty training methods parents use every day probably leave more emotional scars than this.

What kind of potty training methods do you use....?

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Reply #39 posted 01/23/10 7:38pm

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That is the most random punishment I've ever heard in my life.

I woulda just taken away the XBOX.
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Reply #40 posted 01/23/10 8:40pm

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