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Thread started 12/24/09 3:26am

muirdo

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Plasma or LCD?

I have an 32" LCD but I decided Id treat myself to a new 42" plasma for my christmas...woot!
The LCD is good for gaming and I hope the Plasma can match.As long as I was getting 1080p I wasnt really caring,I had just heard great reports about Plasma.
Cant wait till it arrives. excited
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #1 posted 12/24/09 3:53am

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plasma is far better than LCD, it's also better for gaming as it has a faster refresh rate and less lag than LCD. plasma also has a wider viewing range (LCD looks weird from the sides) and has much better black definition

the image pretty much glows on a plasma, whereas LCD relies on the backlighting

what plasma did you get btw? i've had my 50" pioneer plasma for just over 4 years now, it was expensive, but well worth it

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Reply #2 posted 12/24/09 4:14am

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unique said:

plasma is far better than LCD, it's also better for gaming as it has a faster refresh rate and less lag than LCD. plasma also has a wider viewing range (LCD looks weird from the sides) and has much better black definition

the image pretty much glows on a plasma, whereas LCD relies on the backlighting

what plasma did you get btw? i've had my 50" pioneer plasma for just over 4 years now, it was expensive, but well worth it

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that picture looks minted,I got a Panasonic Veira.
I have to admit im a little worried about "burn in" expecially with some of the static symbols in the games that i play.
I also read somewhere that your better to set the contrast and brightness lower for the first 200 or so hours.
Any advice will be appreciated Uni.
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Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #3 posted 12/24/09 4:37am

Harlepolis

unique said:

plasma is far better than LCD


In a nutshell....
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Reply #4 posted 12/24/09 4:40am

unique

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muirdo said:

unique said:

plasma is far better than LCD, it's also better for gaming as it has a faster refresh rate and less lag than LCD. plasma also has a wider viewing range (LCD looks weird from the sides) and has much better black definition

the image pretty much glows on a plasma, whereas LCD relies on the backlighting

what plasma did you get btw? i've had my 50" pioneer plasma for just over 4 years now, it was expensive, but well worth it

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that picture looks minted,I got a Panasonic Veira.
I have to admit im a little worried about "burn in" expecially with some of the static symbols in the games that i play.
I also read somewhere that your better to set the contrast and brightness lower for the first 200 or so hours.
Any advice will be appreciated Uni.
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panasonics are some of the best. since pioneer have stopped making plasmas (the kuro range were the best plasma tv's ever made), then panasonic are the best that are still made. the only way to top a panny would be to get a seperate fujitsu panel and scaler, but that's expensive and not necessary unless you have all the top end gear to match it, so you've basically got one of the best tv's you can get

burn in isn't a real issue these days, in fact it's not been a problem for a long time. burn in was an old issue where the image could "burn" into the screen if the same image was displayed for hours on end. you may have noticed CRT cash machine displays where you can see the words burned in, it's the same thing. you would need to have a computer image or tv station like sky1 displaying the logo in the same place all the time and left on the channel for many hours a day to have a problem. most games and tv channels have moving logos to avoid this problem, and even if you did get burn in by leaving a paused image for a couple of days solid, you can get rid of the burned in image by changing the channel and displaying something else. putting on an untuned tv channel showing static is a common way of doing this

in practice you won't be watching the same image all the time so you aren't going to have a problem. the manual may suggest having the brightness settings at 50% for the first few hours, some people will just leave the tv on overnight at these settings so they get adjusted quickly. for modern panels it's not essential to do it like it was with older early generation panels, so you can usually just set it up and play away

plasma is great for gaming, wipeout HD on the ps3 looks amazing, likewise anything with bright neon type images, like rez HD on the xbox. the wii still looks like shit though, but i haven't got a component cable yet. i have a pc connected via VGA to watch HD tv shows and movies and it's fucking fantastic. i have LCDs too, but the plasma is miles better, but then it should be considering the price
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Reply #5 posted 12/24/09 6:55am

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Harlepolis said:

unique said:

plasma is far better than LCD


In a nutshell....


Agreed.
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Reply #6 posted 12/24/09 7:16am

Ace

I haven't bought a TV in a long time, but my Sony plasma has an option called "Orbit" (shifts the picture, virtually imperceptibly) to avoid burn-in.
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Reply #7 posted 12/24/09 8:22am

MIGUELGOMEZ

I have learned that LCD is good with HD and Blue Ray but Plasma is better for regular DVD's. IMO.
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Reply #8 posted 12/24/09 9:38am

ernestsewell

LCD, by far.

Plasma still has burn issues, although less than they were years ago.

LCD is just clearer to me, brighter, and the TV set itself is about 50 fucking lbs lighter it seems. Plasma is VERY heavy, and puts off a LOT more heat than an LCD. I've always been super happy with my regular DVDs, and my BluRay on an LCD screen. That's not to say Plasma doesn't work for some people. When my roommate went shopping for a new TV after his Panasonic rear projection HDTV went ass up and face down, he shopped for MONTHS before settling on the one he bought, a Vizio LCD 52" Gallevia. We went to every damn electronics store, looked at every freakin' TV set, from every angle, etc. He was making me nuts with it, but in the end, I think he found a great TV, and it was LCD. The other two Vizios we've since acquired have been LCD and we love 'em.
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Reply #9 posted 12/24/09 10:18am

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LCD's lose color and brightness when viewed from an angle, plasmas look the same from any angle

LCD's don't have true black (darkest parts of a picture) or the full range of colors (only for the pickiest of the pickiest tech savvy viewers.

LCD's are generally cheaper in cost.


BUT

There are now LED tv's that are better in some ways then both LCD or plasma.

A good tv in the 50"+ range will generally cost you $1500 or more for any of these tv's. Cheaper than that can look good to the average person, but not to a movie fanatic or video-phile type.
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Reply #10 posted 12/24/09 10:24am

ernestsewell

ufoclub said:

LCD's lose color and brightness when viewed from an angle, plasmas look the same from any angle

LCD's don't have true black (darkest parts of a picture) or the full range of colors (only for the pickiest of the pickiest tech savvy viewers.

That is untrue. My chair is always a slight bit off center of the TV and it's just as bright and colorful as when I sit on the couch and face it head on. It's why I don't mind sitting just off to the side (like in the 3 or 4 o'clock position), because the picture looks just the same.

Newer LCDs have a great black ratio these days compared to even 3 years ago.

LEDs are great because each pixel is its own light source, instead of a big backlight as with LCD.
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Reply #11 posted 12/24/09 10:25am

ernestsewell

unique said:

plasma is far better than LCD, it's also better for gaming as it has a faster refresh rate and less lag than LCD. plasma also has a wider viewing range (LCD looks weird from the sides) and has much better black definition

the image pretty much glows on a plasma, whereas LCD relies on the backlighting

what plasma did you get btw? i've had my 50" pioneer plasma for just over 4 years now, it was expensive, but well worth it

pic SNIP

Could you get a slightly smaller sized picture up there? It's just huge, and we could probably appreciate it even more if it were sized down a skooch.
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Reply #12 posted 12/24/09 10:52am

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ernestsewell said:

ufoclub said:

LCD's lose color and brightness when viewed from an angle, plasmas look the same from any angle

LCD's don't have true black (darkest parts of a picture) or the full range of colors (only for the pickiest of the pickiest tech savvy viewers.

That is untrue. My chair is always a slight bit off center of the TV and it's just as bright and colorful as when I sit on the couch and face it head on. It's why I don't mind sitting just off to the side (like in the 3 or 4 o'clock position), because the picture looks just the same.

Newer LCDs have a great black ratio these days compared to even 3 years ago.

LEDs are great because each pixel is its own light source, instead of a big backlight as with LCD.


Maybe LCD's have a better viewing angle then the past, but it is a certain fact of the LCD technology that they lose their accuracy from angles. You really can't argue with that. I myself have a Samsung LCD 52" and with proper calibration of the colors, etc. But it is useless for me to color correct any movie stuff I do on it, because if I shift off to an angle it looks different.

And LCD's still can't go down to true black, Just put it on a black frame, and turn off all your lights. You'll see gray. My tv s appears to go to deepest black from he very front sweetspot viewing angle.

Plasmas are still the best one for smoothest true color and contrast and viewing angle. Check out cnet's reviews.
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Reply #13 posted 12/24/09 11:01am

MIGUELGOMEZ

I'm confused.

Is LCD and LED different?

I have a 40 something inch Samsung LED t.v. I think it said LCD/LED when I bought it.
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Reply #14 posted 12/24/09 11:01am

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ernestsewell said:

LCD, by far.

Plasma still has burn issues, although less than they were years ago.

LCD is just clearer to me, brighter, and the TV set itself is about 50 fucking lbs lighter it seems. Plasma is VERY heavy, and puts off a LOT more heat than an LCD. I've always been super happy with my regular DVDs, and my BluRay on an LCD screen. That's not to say Plasma doesn't work for some people. When my roommate went shopping for a new TV after his Panasonic rear projection HDTV went ass up and face down, he shopped for MONTHS before settling on the one he bought, a Vizio LCD 52" Gallevia. We went to every damn electronics store, looked at every freakin' TV set, from every angle, etc. He was making me nuts with it, but in the end, I think he found a great TV, and it was LCD. The other two Vizios we've since acquired have been LCD and we love 'em.


you don't get burn issues on plasmas these days, and you haven't for a long time, it's a moot point

you should go to a proper independant store that can give you a properly setup demo on ISF'd panels and you'll easily see that plasma beats LCD hands down when it comes to PQ

yes they are heavier and use more power, but most people buy a panel to look at it, and spend a lot of money on doing so, so these points are irrelevant. the discerning viewer wants best PQ irrespective of cost

plasma isn't that much heavier than LCD, especially not when you consider the weight of CRT's. my 50" pio is only 37.5 kg. you don't tend to move these about much, so the weight is irrelevant. any cheap crap tv cabinet will handle the weight easily
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Reply #15 posted 12/24/09 11:02am

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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I'm confused.

Is LCD and LED different?

I have a 40 something inch Samsung LED t.v. I think it said LCD/LED when I bought it.


LED is really an LCD tv with LED backlighting. not to be confused with OLED
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Reply #16 posted 12/24/09 11:02am

MIGUELGOMEZ

unique said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I'm confused.

Is LCD and LED different?

I have a 40 something inch Samsung LED t.v. I think it said LCD/LED when I bought it.


LED is really an LCD tv with LED backlighting. not to be confused with OLED



Oh lawd!!! lol WHAT'S OLED!!!!!????
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Reply #17 posted 12/24/09 11:04am

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ernestsewell said:

unique said:

plasma is far better than LCD, it's also better for gaming as it has a faster refresh rate and less lag than LCD. plasma also has a wider viewing range (LCD looks weird from the sides) and has much better black definition

the image pretty much glows on a plasma, whereas LCD relies on the backlighting

what plasma did you get btw? i've had my 50" pioneer plasma for just over 4 years now, it was expensive, but well worth it

pic SNIP

Could you get a slightly smaller sized picture up there? It's just huge, and we could probably appreciate it even more if it were sized down a skooch.


just save it and resize it or zoom with software. it's an old image i uploaded a while back in the highest quality i could manage to try and show the PQ
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Reply #18 posted 12/24/09 11:04am

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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

unique said:



LED is really an LCD tv with LED backlighting. not to be confused with OLED



Oh lawd!!! lol WHAT'S OLED!!!!!????



if you have to ask you can't afford it


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oled
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Reply #19 posted 12/24/09 11:07am

MIGUELGOMEZ

Organic light-emitting diode


That sounds like an isult. I totally want to get mad at someone so I can shout, "Listen here you organic light-emitting diode!!!"



only sayin'.
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Reply #20 posted 12/24/09 11:12am

unique

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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Organic light-emitting diode


That sounds like an isult. I totally want to get mad at someone so I can shout, "Listen here you organic light-emitting diode!!!"



only sayin'.


they've just stuck organic at the front of LED as they think people will pay more for organic shit. but organic shit tastes like shit cuz they don't add the chemicals and sugar that we are used to consuming. you notice that all the people who eat organic shit are hippies that look like shit and dress like they are attending woodstock?
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Reply #21 posted 12/24/09 12:17pm

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Plasma, unless you can't afford it, then buy LCD
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Reply #22 posted 12/24/09 12:39pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

unique said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Organic light-emitting diode


That sounds like an isult. I totally want to get mad at someone so I can shout, "Listen here you organic light-emitting diode!!!"



only sayin'.


they've just stuck organic at the front of LED as they think people will pay more for organic shit. but organic shit tastes like shit cuz they don't add the chemicals and sugar that we are used to consuming. you notice that all the people who eat organic shit are hippies that look like shit and dress like they are attending woodstock?



spit

Damn!
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Reply #23 posted 12/24/09 4:05pm

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I have both, and they are both just fine IMO
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Reply #24 posted 01/08/10 6:28am

muirdo

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boxed

Its too bloody big.

sad
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #25 posted 01/08/10 6:37am

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ZombieKitten said:

I have both, and they are both just fine IMO
shrug


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Reply #26 posted 01/08/10 7:07am

Graycap23

I thought Plasma TV's were on their way out.
Hummmm.....
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Reply #27 posted 01/08/10 9:48am

unique

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muirdo said:

boxed

Its too bloody big.

sad


after a couple of days you'll be saying you wished you got the bigger one as it's too small
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Reply #28 posted 01/08/10 9:55am

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Graycap23 said:

I thought Plasma TV's were on their way out.
Hummmm.....


to some degree it is, just like mp3s replacing cds. too many idiots wanting cheap shite like LCD instead of quality. plasma is the connoisseurs choice for proper enthusiasts, but consumers just want cheap shit and don't care and probably don't even notice the difference in quality. most stores don't display panels properly, and even fewer would even consider ISF'ing them, so the punter just see's the contrast turned up sky high to compensate for fluerescent store lighting, and can't tell the difference between one screen and the next
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Reply #29 posted 01/08/10 10:00am

Graycap23

unique said:

Graycap23 said:

I thought Plasma TV's were on their way out.
Hummmm.....


to some degree it is, just like mp3s replacing cds. too many idiots wanting cheap shite like LCD instead of quality. plasma is the connoisseurs choice for proper enthusiasts, but consumers just want cheap shit and don't care and probably don't even notice the difference in quality. most stores don't display panels properly, and even fewer would even consider ISF'ing them, so the punter just see's the contrast turned up sky high to compensate for fluerescent store lighting, and can't tell the difference between one screen and the next

Sort of like Macs vs Pc's. I get it.
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