Tony Van is the Sean Hannity of Saints bias..lol

july said:

Just teasing dude. I used to dig the Sonics myself though i'm
a Sixers fan. Moreso when they were the Supersonics.
[Edited 2/8/10 16:03pm]

phunkdaddy said:

Yup. And the man love doesn't even end with the Super Bowl loss. He walks off the field without congratulating the Saints and all you see the next day is how Peyton is a swell guy giving the Saints their due spotlight, no he's not a poor sport at all , he was just a little sad. Get the fuck over it Peyton and shake hands like a grown man, don't take your ball and go home like a sobbing, spoiled 10-year old.

Two years ago when Bill Belichick did the same shit, he was a grumpy asshole and a sore loser.
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Adisa said:

The Colts defense?!? Yeah, they scored the final points, but the Colts defense has been at best their 2nd-best unit ever since Manning took over. Hate him all you want, but he's a great player. To suggest a running back on a team hovering around .500 deserves the MVP award over a QB who passed his team (with the leagues's worst running game) to 14 straight wins and a Super Bowl berth is, well, ludicrous. I get that you hate Peyton and all, but that's no reason to just make stuff up.

2freaky4church1 said:

Don't even compare me to that Saints-hating neo-con.

AlexdeParis said:

No I don't hate Manning, I'm a realist who's followed his career closely since he played here for UT. His stats are padded by the BS rules. And you're proof of exactly what I'm talking about, people who are duped by the exploits of the media. Some people, like me, believe the MVP should go to the best player. Media and politics suggest otherwise and trump all reason. CJ earned EVERY yard of his 2000+ rushing--without rules that are padded inhis favor, because there are none--- and finished the year setting a new record for all purpose yeards, and doesn't get NOT.EVEN.ONE.MVP vote? Yeah right.

phunkdaddy said:

The'll always be the Supersonics....

Adisa said:

Believe me i am in no way shape or form a Chris Johnson fan because
of his arrogance but dude is one hell of a football player and he
certainly should have been in the MVP discussion. The award is supposed
to go to the best player in the league not the player whose team has
the best record so i agree with you on that. Now i didn't have a problem
with Peyton winning over him but i did have a problem with Matt Ryan
winning rookie of the year last season over CJ. That should have never
happened.

Adisa said:

That's not Peyton's fault. He's still a great QB and a first ballot HOFamer. But I do think he needs another title to join the elite QBs(Unitas, Montana, Elway, Marino, Staubach, etc.)

uPtoWnNY said:

Marino? What did he win?

Graycap23 said:

How many did Elway win before he got Terrell Davis and a real defense?

Look at Marino's skills and the way he played the position. Dude was sick, one of the all-time greats.

You can't always go by Super Bowl wins - shit Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer & Jim McMahon won rings.

uPtoWnNY said:

Marino was great.....and so is Peyton, rings or no rings.
BTW, McMahon had the highest winning percentage of all-time when he left the Bears. Don't get it twisted. (at the time he left)

Graycap23 said:

He's no Sid Luckman.

Brilliant move by the Bears hiring Mike Martz. He's just what Cutler needs. Dude's an offensive genius.

phunkdaddy said:

Best record? No. But when your team is hovering around .500, you are not going to be part of the MVP discussion (because really, how valuable are wins 5-8 when they just get you an early vacation and a mid-round draft pick?). That trend started way before Peyton Manning was even in high school (and with good reason). If the Titans had been something like 11-5 or 12-4, I'm certain Johnson would've received a number of MVP votes. Then again, there is certainly an argument to be made that Johnson isn't even the most valuable player on his team. He was racking up yards and losses until Vince Young started. You'll note Chris Johnson won the award for Offensive Player of the Year, so it's not like his fantastic year was overlooked.

uPtoWnNY said:

I'm going to have to disagree there. It could work out, but Martz is way too pass happy in general. If anything, they should be finding ways to take the pressure off Cutler (who forces way too many throws), not making him throw more.

uPtoWnNY said:

Lol.....McMahon was a winner, that is all I care about. Stats mean nothing without wins.

uPtoWnNY said:

I like Martz, 100 times better than that fool Ron Turner. 2 bad they still don't have any players.

With Martz, you know the offense won't be boring. But they have to get Cutler better weapons.

uPtoWnNY said:

There is the rub. They keep the scrubs, and cut/trade the ballers.

uPtoWnNY said:

I'm not saying it is. I'm saying the league and the media are hyping up today's QBs to be better than they really are (did you click on the link I provided?) and that Peyton Manning has along history of being a choker. Both of those statements are undeniable.

As I pointed out to ADP The Colts D won that ring a few years ago, just like defense won it for the Ravens, Bucs, and Giants. The Colts D was awful earlier in that season, couldn't stop the run--remember when J'ville put up 300 yards on the ground that season?--but the D got their act together towards the end of the season. They had to, and they did.

But for what it's worth The Colts and the entire AFC South division suck when it comes to the playoffs. The whole division chokes when the games really matters. Check the records.


frikkin' Titans

AlexdeParis said:

I can't disagree with anything you've stated here. I agree 100%. And truthfully the Titans defense had just as much to do with the turnaround.

The league is set up to give QBs the MVP, rules are set in favor of the QBs, and politics state that only QBs get record-setting contracts. No way I would have paid Eli Manning all that frikkin' money. But Haynesworth gets a big pay day and everyone is gasping for air because he's a defensive player.

So has anyone encountered any conspiracy theorists who say Peyton intentionally gave the game away so his dad could symbolically have a SB championship ring?

Graycap23 said:

Only an AFC title. Dan Marino might be the greatest QB in NFL history to never win a SuperBowl title.

uPtoWnNY said:

Don't forget about Doug Williams, the first black QB to ever win a SuperBowl title. But his regular season career stats were not great.

The same thing can be said about "Boardway" Joe Namath, another SuperBowl winning QB. But his regular season career stats has more interceptions than TD passes.

Adisa said:

You're right that the league is set up to give offenses the advantage.
Gone are the days when CB's could be physical with WR's beyond 5 yards
off the line of scrimmage ala Lester Hayes,Mel Blount. Eli is an enigma but
talented. The problem i have is paying rookie qb's who haven't played a
down enormous contracts. That must stop.

phunkdaddy said:

That's just more political bull about stock value at the time they entered the draft. NOBODY should take the draft or the Heisman seriously as indicators as to how well a player will perform once he actually gets his ass on the field.

TonyVanDam said:

Exactly. You give Marino a supporting cast like Elway had late in his career, and he gets a ring.

I wonder what kind of deal Tim Tebow gets....

uPtoWnNY said:

Lol.....I'd probably rank Dan as thee best qb. Loved that guy.

uPtoWnNY said:

Hopefully no team gets swindled into taking this guy in the
first round. I have a cousin who is a Jags fan and he has
been on his knees praying that the Jags don't draft him
in the first round.

Adisa said:

And Chris Johnson has played in how many SuperBowls?