32 is too young to just up and die. It's important to know the causes of her death in case it's something that might affect others and their state of health. For instance there are reports she had flu like symptoms. What if it was swine flu or some other strain of flu? That might encourage people to get vaccinated or at best go to the doctor before symptoms get worse. What if it were drugs? Perhaps a likeable person like Britanny dying might encourage others to steer clear of drugs. Maybe she had a bad heart; her death might encourage younger people to get physicals and examinations to make sure there are no hidden problems.

Mindflux said:

if someone dies of pollutants that isnt something self induced,thats other people doing it to them
and staying indoors wouldnt rid you of pollutants,they are everywhere,all up in the ozone layer so it doesnt matter where you are it would still effect you

im not going to just accuse brittany of taking them simply because she was a celebrity, for now i think it may have something to do with her diabetes and trachia condition

but if you take deadly drugs, whether they ever end up killing you or not they are definately damaging your body,its not about risk, its about absoloution. and it is all self induced, cocaine and heroin dont float around the air like greenhouse gases

DesireeNevermind said:

thinks of all the musicians, soccer platers, and actors that have dropped dead in the past of drugs and/or natural causes... and don't really visualize people learning a damn thing.

but that last movie she was filming was in a swine flu area, wasn't it?

Zinzi said:

You're entirely missing my point and being very selective about which ones you answer.

I did not equate being affected by pollutants to the choice you make about taking drugs - I just said there are many things that harm the body and some of them you can't avoid.

The point, for everyone that missed it, was that it does not matter what the cause was, who is anyone to judge another person about the manner of their death, be it from drugs or any other cause? If she had died from cocaine or heroin abuse who is anyone to say "Well, it was her fault" - you don't know her, don't know what her life was like and have no idea as to why or how she came in to contact with drugs.

I commented on this thread because, first and foremost, I felt it was unfair assumptions made by those who immediately put her death down to drugs, despite there being no evidence at the time, or now, to say that it was drugs. And, secondly, that anyone could be so judgmental as to say that, if it was drugs then that was her fault - that is heartless and prejudiced, in my view.

People just love to jump on the illegal drugs bandwagon, despite the fact that legal drugs (be that alcohol, cigarettes or prescription drugs) kill far more people than illegal drugs - that is a FACT, yet people are so influenced by government propaganda that they believe only the illegal drugs are harmful. Perfectly legal drugs are what killed Michael Jackson, not illegal drugs, but there would have been an entirely different reaction had it turned out that it was cocaine - that's prejudice which always comes from people's lack of understanding.

Picking up on your "absolution" point - that's just rubbish, in my opinion. You could live as "pure" a life as you like - not drink, not smoke, not eat fatty and processed food etc etc and still die young! Do you remember Jim Fix?!

Yes, there are risks by doing things that are harmful, but there are risks doing anything in life. Recently, and rather infamously, the UK's Chief Drugs Adviser was sacked for stating (amongst other things) that there was less risk taking Ecstasy than horse-riding - the fact being that many more people die from riding horses than from popping pills, but nobody is looking to ban horse-riding! So, its not about absolution at all - its actually about knowing all the risks associated with everything you do and then making a choice based on your own assessment. People get killed in cars every day - does that stop you getting in a vehicle? You cannot possibly escape risk in life, so its better to be prepared rather than just hoping you can avoid it!

And, at the end of the day, if someone decides to do something that carries risk, be that slack-rope walking (where there is an extremely high risk of death) or taking illegal drugs and something happens to them, then that is THEIR CHOICE, yes? As long as its only themselves that is at risk of any harm, then no-one else should have anything to say about it. Unfortunately, far too many people seem to own high horses!

Anyway, this is getting tiresome - I feel I've made my points as clearly as possible and if some people don't get it, then that's just the way it is. You're just as free to judge everyone you like as to how they live their life - let's hope that if ever someone judges you, they will do so fairly and without prejudice.
[Edited 12/26/09 9:54am]

Mindflux said:

no,you missed the point
i wasnt saying it was wrong to take risks because everything is inevetible as a risk
i mentioned the word absoloution as to say it wasnt about risk it was about DEFINATELY doing something to your body
and just because some things are damaging and are out of your hands that doesnt give you a right to do things deliberately to your body


and actually you can pass judgement on a person if they have a self induced death, alot of people have been through multiple traumatic events and still dont use drugs
anybody who thinks a person getting shot by another person is the same as sticking a gun in thier own mouths should seriosuly think about performing the latter
but i like brittany and am in no hurry to expect the worst of her

BklynBabe said:

What, exactly, are we supposed to learn from this?

Zinzi said:

you are who you are.....that's fine

Mindflux said:

cant say the same thing back though


end of

No one should pass judgment on anyone for anything seeing as none of us are perfect. Who would want someone passing judgment on them?

Mindflux said:

That if we don't take better care of ourselves we could drop dead before our time and that money and fame are no guarantees for the best health care and that certain drugs should not be taken together no matter what. At least that's what I take away from her untimely death. I definitely think there was some drug interaction. They found depression meds, flu meds, anxiety meds and some other shit in her home.

DesireeNevermind said:

I was responding to the poster's comments about "all the musicians and football players", not Britanny's "example" specifically. Like, what are we supposed to learn about "dying from natural causes"? And, if that is what it turns out to be with Britanny, again, what can we learn from that? Nothing, except that any of us can go any time!

Most people's cabinets are full of all sorts of drugs, so that doesn't really mean anything. And its certainly not unusual for people who have medical history to have many different drugs in the home - they don't necessarily have to be taking all of them.

I just don't understand why people are making so many assumptions - all we know, at the moment, is that she died from cardiac arrest and that it is a tragedy, especially as she was so young. Who is anyone to speculate further on that?

Mindflux said:

no,you missed the point
i wasnt saying it was wrong to take risks because everything is inevetible as a risk
i mentioned the word absoloution as to say it wasnt about risk it was about DEFINATELY doing something to your body
and just because some things are damaging and are out of your hands that doesnt give you a right to do things deliberately to your body


and actually you can pass judgement on a person if they have a self induced death, alot of people have been through multiple traumatic events and still dont use drugs
anybody who thinks a person getting shot by another person is the same as sticking a gun in thier own mouths should seriosuly think about performing the latter
but i like brittany and am in no hurry to expect the worst of her

Mindflux said:

I C

I guess if she were 72 and died in her sleep instead of 32 and just dropped it wouldn't matter much.

Brittany Murphy's death caused by pnuemonia

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...499218.stm

Very sad. And I doubt we'll be getting any retractions from those who were spilling their guts about it being her own fault and down to illegal drugs - shame on you.

Mindflux said:

I've never been one to speculate, but...

her death was listed as accidental...if pnuemonia were the only cause, it would have been listed as natural causes...

from the article you posted..."Coroner's spokesman Craig Harvey added that iron-deficiency anaemia and "multiple drug intoxication" were secondary factors in her death."

pnuemonia and anaemia are never accidents...

thejason said:

Accidental because it could have been prevented had she seen a doctor. And the "multiple drug intoxication" was from drugs she was PRESCRIBED! So, there were pre-exisiting medical conditions plus the drugs she was prescribed by doctors leading to a condition she, perhaps, didn't realise she had (pneumonia) that led to her tragic death. Are you really trying to imply that this was her own fault?!

Accidental because it could have been prevented had she seen a doctor. And the "multiple drug intoxication" was from drugs she was PRESCRIBED! So, there were pre-exisiting medical conditions plus the drugs she was prescribed by doctors leading to a condition she, perhaps, didn't realise she had (pneumonia) that led to her tragic death. Are you really trying to imply that this was her own fault?!