Mindflux said:

Fine she died of natural causes, I said it was sad...but if you are going to be stupid enough to do drugs that could cause you to take your own life, then ya...what do you expect. You do something that is bad for you..then ya what do you expect? Some people think that nothing can happen to them, well HELLO it's called the real world and if you do things that can cause your body harm...then what can you expect?

This was my opinion...you dont know me, so you really don't know what I am thinking...it's sad she died, it's sad when anyone dies, but I won't feel sorry for someone who pretty much does things that could cause harm to their own life. PERIOD!!!!!

MoniGram said:

I don't need to know you to know what you think - you put your opinion on here and that is exactly what I am going by.

[Flame snip - luv4u] to start banging on about drugs apparently killing everyone who uses them and [Flame snip - luv4u]to start a rant about it when a celebrity dies and it wasn't even anything to do with drugs, then what can you expect? A reaction, that's what.

Lots of things do your body harm. Walking down the street and breathing in exhaust fumes causes you damage. Alcohol causes a lot of damage. PRESCRIPTION (ie LEGAL) drugs do you damage (was it illegal drugs that killed Jackson - NO!).

So, you won't feel sorry for anyone who had some sort of contribution to their own death -
[Flame snip - luv4u] So, if someone you know dies later in life through respiratory problems caused by pollutants, you wouldn't feel anything because they should have stayed in doors. Someone develops a problem with alcohol and dies as a result, you're just going to say "It was your own fault!"???!! Someone who is prescribed a certain drug for an ailment and that ends up killing them.....gonna sweep that under the carpet to?


[Snip - luv4u]

Do folk really need to argue on this kind of thread?

Mindflux said:

Easy now.

I totally agree with you, but sometimes people don't really fully understand what it is that they are saying...or at least the real impact their words have.

johnart said:

Of course not. But do folk really need to put biased, thoughtless conjecture on here? That is what is entirely disrespectful in the first place.

JustErin said:

Quite clearly

Mindflux said:

The only thingI have to say to you...is that I am real sorry that you feel you need to come on to an online community, lash out at someone, question who they are, or what they believe. Sad Sad Sad! I think I have enough friends here who can say what kind of person I am, and the ones who don't know me, and decide to judge me by a few words written in a forum, are people I don't care to know.
[Edited 12/22/09 10:32am]

Mindflux said:

sometimes things are black and white...
sometimes things are shades of grey...
apparently you're a shade of grey person & she's a black & white...but I'm fairly impressed with the 'speculating' you did based on her earlier statement...you seemed to have pinned her character down rather easily...must be a gift...
there is some merit in your argument, no doubt...but it's a bit of a stretch to compare breathing to drug use, don't you think...
the only thing that came of this, atleast in my opinion, is that you accused somebody of being a less than viable excuse for a human being and in doing so, made yourself look no better...

MoniGram said:

But that's not what it is about - I'm not pursuing some personal inclination to have an argument with someone. You wrote a prejudiced speculation, I disagreed with it and explained why and your response did nothing to further the discussion positively.

I'm real sorry if you feel offended about that - but I felt that you were being ignorant and disrespectful to the victim here - to declare that it was drugs and, therefore, her own fault, that just seemed ugly. I'm not judging you as a person completely, I did try and make it clear that I was basing it on what you wrote - I'm sure you're a lovely person really, but we all have some bias and perceptions (even ones we may not be aware of) that lead us to say and do things that others will perceive as abohrrent. Its not the end of the world having a disagreement with someone and I can assure you I mean you no ill-will

roodboi said:

I hear what you are saying and I'm sure you will see my response above.

As I said, I wasn't pinning down her character, I was being specific about her apparent attitude of "Its a celebrity death, therefore it must be drugs and therefore, we should have no sympathy for any such person". I don't like that attitude and said as much. And its certainly no "gift" - for someone to, out of the blue, blame someone's death on drugs with no evidence whatsoever, its a pretty safe assumption that said person has a very negative prejudice against drugs, so much so that any untimely or tragic death may as well be blamed on it. Otherwise, why would that be the first thing they said?!

Of course its a stretch (although, it was making a different point), but its no stretch regarding the comparison between prescription drugs or any other "acceptable" drug use, like drinking alcohol. And its a big stretch to assume that, just because it was a celebrity, it must be drugs!

I'm sorry that you felt I painted myself in a similar light, but I didn't actually say she wasn't a "viable excuse for a human being" - I said she "came across as", which is quite different. In other words, you may not be a nasty person, but your statement is making you look that way. If I risk being viewed unfavourably for challenging what I see to be prejudice, then I'll take that on the chin.

nevermind
[Edited 12/22/09 15:04pm]

MoniGram said:

i know what kind of person you're!

http://www.seattlepi.com/...gif22.html


A large number of prescription drugs were found in the bedroom of Brittany Murphy, who suffered shortness of breath and severe abdominal pain in the week leading up to her death, according to an investigator's notes obtained by TMZ.

Citing notes from the Los Angeles County coroner's office, TMZ said Murphy, 32, went to the bathroom at 7:30 a.m. Sunday and shut the door. She had complained of shortness of breath and severe abdominal pain for seven to 10 days prior to her death, but her husband, British screenwriter Simon Monjack, told the investigator he wasn't alarmed because his wife "often suffered from severe menstrual pains," the site said.

Actress Brittany Murphy dead at 32

Like it or not the girl loved her dolls.

MoniGram said:

Monigram is a very nice kind hearted person, she's my friend

lazycrockett said:

The medications included Topamax (an anti-seizure medication also used to prevent migraines), Methylprednisolone (an anti-inflammatory), Fluoxetine (a depression medication), Klonopin (an anxiety medication), Carbamazepine (which treats diabetic symptoms and bipolarism), Ativan (an anxiety medication), Vicoprofen (a pain reliever), Propranolol (a hypertension medication, used to prevent heart attacks), Biaxin (an antibiotic), Hydrocodone (a pain medication) and vitamins, TMZ reports.

the Hydocodone and the vicoprofen taken together could kill her. Fluoxetine is prozac I think, Klonopin and ativan and topamax all are respiratory depressants. Sounds like Heath and Gerald, to much mixture of too many meds Natural causes- yeah her breathing stopped and so did her heart. Poor thing how sad.

When someone collapses and dies at the age of 32 (my age btw), it's not unlikely that it would be due to drugs. It's not to say that this is the case in her situation but I must admit, it was the first thing that came to my mind. The second was the whole eating disorder thing. Regardless of why, she's gone and it's a shame.

Still to this day don't understand why they call someone dying so young "natural".

JuliePurplehead said:

Actually if we lived naturally our life expectancies would probably be closer to 32 than 78.

But I agree, it's natural to think it might be some kind of abuse of the body, but you never know. Sometimes athletes drop dead in their teens & 20's because of a heart issue, not because they did drugs.

kpowers said:

Thank you hun!

butterfli25 said:

So many meds...wonder if one Dr. gave them all to her, or she had many Drs and they didn't talk. Mix to many different things together is not good.

That's a serious pharmacopeia right there. I read somewhere she had diabetes and a thyroid disorder. She may just have had a weak heart, especially i she was prescribed propanolol. All those anxiety meds too....

Maybe it's not wuite so unexpected. Sounds like she had quite a few health issues going on that would contribute to sudden death.

Mindflux said:

Dammmmmn!!! Not that I don't slightly agree with you, but man, it's the holidays.

Who cares what the cause was? Maybe it was natural. Maybe it was drug induced. Maybe drugs aren't just a dismissible bad habit, but something linked to much deeper issues beyond some people's control. Maybe drugs are, to others, completely managable. Who cares. It's sad and she will be missed.

johnart said:

Cause people want to know, that's one of the prices of celebrity, When Heath up chucked and died it went on for weeks. That's the society we live in. Fame/Celebrity doesn't care if you're alive or dead.

lazycrockett said:

I guess.
I get people being interested or having opinions. I don't get getting argumentative over it.

johnart said:

you know, that's what I'm saying, man

32 is too young to just up and die. It's important to know the causes of her death in case it's something that might affect others and their state of health. For instance there are reports she had flu like symptoms. What if it was swine flu or some other strain of flu? That might encourage people to get vaccinated or at best go to the doctor before symptoms get worse. What if it were drugs? Perhaps a likeable person like Britanny dying might encourage others to steer clear of drugs. Maybe she had a bad heart; her death might encourage younger people to get physicals and examinations to make sure there are no hidden problems.

creepy.

Mindflux said:

if someone dies of pollutants that isnt something self induced,thats other people doing it to them
and staying indoors wouldnt rid you of pollutants,they are everywhere,all up in the ozone layer so it doesnt matter where you are it would still effect you

im not going to just accuse brittany of taking them simply because she was a celebrity, for now i think it may have something to do with her diabetes and trachia condition

but if you take deadly drugs, whether they ever end up killing you or not they are definately damaging your body,its not about risk, its about absoloution. and it is all self induced, cocaine and heroin dont float around the air like greenhouse gases