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PrintableAnotherLover2 said: You win, rdhull. You pulled out the personal, hurtful thing and, I'll admit, I am no match for that. I would not EVER do that to you, bring up something like that in order to shut you down.
Ya know what? Im am so tired of this bullshit tactic..someone wants to debate and gets to say whatever they want but then they get offended and try the "you win..you pulled out the hurtful personal" to make them look good etc. Remember the steady pussy comment about my missus? That wasnt personal? Mine was NOT meant to shut you down or even as a get back as god is my witness, but your steady pussy was sure meant to "aha..what a guy u are to your lady" comment. I cannot believe this but I should have expected it. Maybe I shouldnt have made that as an example. If I knew that youd frwak or was still upset over it i wouldnt have and thats the gods honest truth..but theres no way to win this ( sure RD, anyone would know that) etc. And Im not trying to "win" anything. "Climb in my fur." | |
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AnotherLover2 said: 4LOVE said: Hey before you two go to war(i love ya both and hope you don't). You BOTH make valid points, and strangly enough you BOTH are correct. RDhull is giving what goes on in the head of most men and is being very honest with you(something a few orgers would not do). He's not trying to be PC just expressing a point he feels is valid. Anotherlover you express the way things SHOULD be. It should be dinner and just that. Why should a man expect sex just because he pays for dinner? If he's a man who is REALLY into the woman there is no doubt he will pay and not expect sex(though he still may hope). You BOTH are right,let's just end it here.
Apparently, I live in fantasyland. I am wrong. I should shut my stupid, bitchy mouth up and live with the fact that I'm supposed to have sex with men whenever they pay for anything. I give up. I really do. You all win. It's not a win-lose situation. It's just an expression of opinions, no right or wrong, just different. If you two can't work it out we all lose. | |
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rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: You win, rdhull. You pulled out the personal, hurtful thing and, I'll admit, I am no match for that. I would not EVER do that to you, bring up something like that in order to shut you down.
Ya know what? Im am so tired of this bullshit tactic..someone wants to debate and gets to say whatever they want but then they get offended and try the "you win..you pulled out the hurtful personal" to make them look good etc. Remember the steady pussy comment about my missus? That wasnt personal? Mine was NOT meant to shut you down or even as a get back as god is my witness, but your steady pussy was sure meant to "aha..what a guy u are to your lady" comment. I cannot believe this but I should have expected it. Maybe I shouldnt have made that as an example. If I knew that youd frwak or was still upset over it i wouldnt have and thats the gods honest truth..but theres no way to win this ( sure RD, anyone would know that) etc. And Im not trying to "win" anything. I obviously have no personal information about your wife or your marriage. My point was to go to the extreme example, as you seemed to be doing. Not for one minute did I think it was true. But you knew of my situation first hand--yes, I put it out there, but as a warning about online romances. [This message was edited Mon Jan 13 22:29:37 PST 2003 by AnotherLover2] | |
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LaVisHh said: Alright.
Not that what I say means a darned thing. But...it seems both slung mud - : Now this I cant get with..I was NOT slinging mud.If thats what you think , cool. But dont paint me in that picture like Another was trying to do with me being in bed-essence with Chronic so to speak etc. I have no beef with any of this..I know my views are sometimes outrageous and controversial or whatever..hell they may even be wrong in points but I DO NOT apologize for making them or saying them. I realize it mmay at times make me unpopular or a pariah (believe me I know) but I will never..ever...compromise my views or opinions on the net or in real time. Know that. "Climb in my fur." | |
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4LOVE said: AnotherLover2 said: 4LOVE said: Hey before you two go to war(i love ya both and hope you don't). You BOTH make valid points, and strangly enough you BOTH are correct. RDhull is giving what goes on in the head of most men and is being very honest with you(something a few orgers would not do). He's not trying to be PC just expressing a point he feels is valid. Anotherlover you express the way things SHOULD be. It should be dinner and just that. Why should a man expect sex just because he pays for dinner? If he's a man who is REALLY into the woman there is no doubt he will pay and not expect sex(though he still may hope). You BOTH are right,let's just end it here.
Apparently, I live in fantasyland. I am wrong. I should shut my stupid, bitchy mouth up and live with the fact that I'm supposed to have sex with men whenever they pay for anything. I give up. I really do. You all win. It's not a win-lose situation. It's just an expression of opinions, no right or wrong, just different. If you two can't work it out we all lose. Oh, but it very much IS a win-lose situation. And I"m more than willing to step back and step down, because this just isn't fun anymore when it gets like this. There's no "working it out". | |
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AnotherLover2 said: rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: You win, rdhull. You pulled out the personal, hurtful thing and, I'll admit, I am no match for that. I would not EVER do that to you, bring up something like that in order to shut you down.
Ya know what? Im am so tired of this bullshit tactic..someone wants to debate and gets to say whatever they want but then they get offended and try the "you win..you pulled out the hurtful personal" to make them look good etc. Remember the steady pussy comment about my missus? That wasnt personal? Mine was NOT meant to shut you down or even as a get back as god is my witness, but your steady pussy was sure meant to "aha..what a guy u are to your lady" comment. I cannot believe this but I should have expected it. Maybe I shouldnt have made that as an example. If I knew that youd frwak or was still upset over it i wouldnt have and thats the gods honest truth..but theres no way to win this ( sure RD, anyone would know that) etc. And Im not trying to "win" anything. I obviously have no personal information about your wife or your marriage. My point was to go to the extreme example, as you seemed to be doing. Not for one minute did I think it was true. But you knew of my situation first hand--yes, I put it out there, but as a warning about online romances. [This message was edited Mon Jan 13 22:29:37 PST 2003 by AnotherLover2] Uh huh..first it started with u calling me The Chronic so to speak when u entered seeing another man-woman thread then call my wife "steady pussy". Well see Im not the neanderthal you think I am because that WAS a low blow to my wife whom I love dearly..yet I did bring up that exmaple as a mudslinging tactic or to hurt you. I still stand by my point though. added addendum but too late..I did NOT bring up that example as a mudslinging tactic etc. I forgot the word "NOT" ..dammit. No wonder it went on like this. The last sentence should show that since it wouldnt make sense in context. We apologized,no beef.End trans. . [This message was edited Tue Jan 14 8:32:51 PST 2003 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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AnotherLover2 said: 4LOVE said: AnotherLover2 said: 4LOVE said: Hey before you two go to war(i love ya both and hope you don't). You BOTH make valid points, and strangly enough you BOTH are correct. RDhull is giving what goes on in the head of most men and is being very honest with you(something a few orgers would not do). He's not trying to be PC just expressing a point he feels is valid. Anotherlover you express the way things SHOULD be. It should be dinner and just that. Why should a man expect sex just because he pays for dinner? If he's a man who is REALLY into the woman there is no doubt he will pay and not expect sex(though he still may hope). You BOTH are right,let's just end it here.
Apparently, I live in fantasyland. I am wrong. I should shut my stupid, bitchy mouth up and live with the fact that I'm supposed to have sex with men whenever they pay for anything. I give up. I really do. You all win. It's not a win-lose situation. It's just an expression of opinions, no right or wrong, just different. If you two can't work it out we all lose. Oh, but it very much IS a win-lose situation. And I"m more than willing to step back and step down, because this just isn't fun anymore when it gets like this. There's no "working it out". Let her go and play the hurt indignant above it all one. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: You win, rdhull. You pulled out the personal, hurtful thing and, I'll admit, I am no match for that. I would not EVER do that to you, bring up something like that in order to shut you down.
Ya know what? Im am so tired of this bullshit tactic..someone wants to debate and gets to say whatever they want but then they get offended and try the "you win..you pulled out the hurtful personal" to make them look good etc. Remember the steady pussy comment about my missus? That wasnt personal? Mine was NOT meant to shut you down or even as a get back as god is my witness, but your steady pussy was sure meant to "aha..what a guy u are to your lady" comment. I cannot believe this but I should have expected it. Maybe I shouldnt have made that as an example. If I knew that youd frwak or was still upset over it i wouldnt have and thats the gods honest truth..but theres no way to win this ( sure RD, anyone would know that) etc. And Im not trying to "win" anything. I obviously have no personal information about your wife or your marriage. My point was to go to the extreme example, as you seemed to be doing. Not for one minute did I think it was true. But you knew of my situation first hand--yes, I put it out there, but as a warning about online romances. [This message was edited Mon Jan 13 22:29:37 PST 2003 by AnotherLover2] Uh huh..first it started with u calling me The Chronic so to speak when u entered seeing another man-woman thread then call my wife "steady pussy". Well see Im not the neanderthal you think I am because that WAS a low blow to my wife whom I love dearly..yet I did bring up that exmaple as a mudslinging tactic or to hurt you. I still stand by my point though. Go back and read the thread again--you're wrong. I said "no wonder you and thechronic get along so well". That's different than calling you thechronic. Secondly, I said "as far as I can see, your wife is only around because you want steady pussy"--that's not calling her steady pussy, it's asking what your motives in the relationship are. I would never insult your wife, and believe it or not, that wasn't a serious jab at you. But you now admit you brought up the topic of my encounter (which, btw, did not involve trading dinner for sex) specifically to hurt me--although first you said you didn't. You stand by your point, but you've had to stoop reaaal low to make it. | |
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rdhull said:[quote]AnotherLover2 said:[quote]4LOVE said:[quote]AnotherLover2 said:[quote] 4LOVE said: Hey before you two go to war(i love ya both and hope you don't). You BOTH make valid points, and strangly enough you BOTH are correct. RDhull is giving what goes on in the head of most men and is being very honest with you(something a few orgers would not do). He's not trying to be PC just expressing a point he feels is valid. Anotherlover you express the way things SHOULD be. It should be dinner and just that. Why should a man expect sex just because he pays for dinner? If he's a man who is REALLY into the woman there is no doubt he will pay and not expect sex(though he still may hope). You BOTH are right,let's just end it here. [This message was edited Tue Jan 14 0:04:56 PST 2003 by AnotherLover2] | |
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AnotherLover2 said: Go back and read the thread again--you're wrong. I said "no wonder you and thechronic get along so well". That's different than calling you thechronic.
thats why I added the "so to speak" part which means the same ting. You saying that about me and Chronic means the SAME thing and meant as a put dopwn on me and you know it. Dont try to get it twisted. Secondly, I said "as far as I can see, your wife is only around because you want steady pussy"--that's not calling her steady pussy, it's asking what your motives in the relationship are. I would never insult your wife, and believe it or not, that wasn't a serious jab at you.
Bull..that was a stab at me supposedly being a shallow guy who was just with my mate for steady sex...and you know it. I still wasnt pissed because I just saw it as you not fully understanding or agreeing with my upfront blatant views which was stil alright But you now admit you brought up the topic of my encounter (which, btw, did not involve trading dinner for sex) specifically to hurt me--although first you said you didn't.
Where do I say that!!?? huh?? you stand by your point, but you've had to stoop reaaal low to make it.
not true..I dont know how many times Ive said this. your point up above this paragraph is wrong..you need to fix it. . [This message was edited Mon Jan 13 22:51:57 PST 2003 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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This is really typical of what may happen in a frank discussion between men and women, that involves sex...
1) Topic is brought up that may involve sex e.g. buying dinner 2) Most people want, think and enjoy sex, and if they are being truthful, will discuss the manner in how they seek it 3) The more direct, less 'romantic' means to getting some for a man, maybe 'distasteful' news to others. This particularly includes those that have been hurt from previous relationships 4) The offended party brings in past feelings of said 'broken' relationship as a means of disagreeing with views of the offendee. Best thing to do here is just listen... 5) Rd is left to defend himself in spite of not committing any crime, but simply suggesting the truth as far as he is concerned NEXT STEPS... 6) Rd takes AnotherLover2 out for dinner in spite of such differences, and as an opportunity for apology 7) Rd will probably still have at least one thought about sex during the meal, even though he really shouldn't I better stop now before this gets ugly  | |
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AnotherLover2 said: There's no "playing" that needs to be done here--you did hurt my feelings by bringing up that issue. And you knew it would hurt my feelings. Love the character assination which is showing me some things to...tsk tsk. Love how you do the bold print to try to get a wrong idea engrained as to speak for me...this is some amp shit..Im disappointed seriously. "Climb in my fur." | |
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What part of English don't you understand? You accused me of calling your wife "steady pussy", you claimed I insulted her and that's why you were mad. I just showed you in the original part of the thread that I didn't call her that. But you still won't admit it.
You wrote, "yet I did bring up that example as a mudslinging tactic or to hurt you". How much more clear can I get? | |
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Anji said: NEXT STEPS...
6) Rd takes AnotherLover2 out for dinner in spite of such differences, and as an opportunity for apology 7) Rd will probably still have at least one thought about sex during the meal, even though he really shouldn't I better stop now before this gets ugly 
..but Im not apologizing..I have no reason too..I didnt do anything. She is free to think what she wants and to think I meant to hurt her etc. My record on the net publicly has been made where I have admitted to fucking up and apologizing when and when not needed and when and when not my fault. Im not about to do that shit again for something I didnt do in my heart of hearts etc. anymore. "Climb in my fur." | |
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anji said [This message was edited Tue Jan 14 0:06:15 PST 2003 by AnotherLover2] | |
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AnotherLover2 said: What part of English don't you understand? You accused me of calling your wife "steady pussy", you claimed I insulted her and that's why you were mad.
I NEVER said "thats why I was mad" or ANYTHING like that. I recently said I understood u made that comment because YOU were mad (as per usual of men-women issues). You are not very good at this. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: Anji said: NEXT STEPS...
6) Rd takes AnotherLover2 out for dinner in spite of such differences, and as an opportunity for apology 7) Rd will probably still have at least one thought about sex during the meal, even though he really shouldn't I better stop now before this gets ugly
..but Im not apologizing..I have no reason too..I didnt do anything. She is free to think what she wants and to think I meant to hurt her etc. My record on the net publicly has been made where I have admitted to fucking up and apologizing when and when not needed and when and when not my fault. Im not about to do that shit again for something I didnt do in my heart of hearts etc. anymore. I don't know your reputation here or anywhere, and that's not where I'm functioning from. (Although apparently, YOU are). I don't need or want any apology from you anyway... | |
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AnotherLover2 said: Anji said: This is really typical of what may happen in a frank discussion between men and women, that involves sex...
1) Topic is brought up that may involve sex e.g. buying dinner 2) Most people want, think and enjoy sex, and if they are being truthful, will discuss the manner in how they seek it 3) The more direct, less 'romantic' means to getting some for a man, maybe 'distasteful' news to others. This particularly includes those that have been hurt from previous relationships 4) The offended party brings in past feelings of said 'broken' relationship as a means of disagreeing with views of the offendee. Best thing to do here is just listen... 5) Rd is left to defend himself in spite of not committing any crime, but simply suggesting the truth as far as he is concerned NEXT STEPS... 6) Rd takes AnotherLover2 out for dinner in spite of such differences, and as an opportunity for apology 7) Rd will probably still have at least one thought about sex during the meal, even though he really shouldn't I better stop now before this gets ugly This is really unneccessary, but I'm sure your friend RD will appreciate the support. Stop playing the victim role for sympathy..you know better than this. "Climb in my fur." | |
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AnotherLover2 said: I don't know your reputation here or anywhere, and that's not where I'm functioning from. (Although apparently, YOU are). I don't need or want any apology from you anyway...
Im functioning form my intergtrity because you are trying to assisnate my character which is surprising but expected. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: What part of English don't you understand? You accused me of calling your wife "steady pussy", you claimed I insulted her and that's why you were mad.
I NEVER said "thats why I was mad" or ANYTHING like that. I recently said I understood u made that comment because YOU were mad (as per usual of men-women issues). You are not very good at this. You said: Uh huh..first it started with u calling me The Chronic so to speak when u entered seeing another man-woman thread then call my wife "steady pussy". Well see Im not the neanderthal you think I am because that WAS a low blow to my wife whom I love dearly..yet I did bring up that exmaple as a mudslinging tactic or to hurt you. I still stand by my point though. Does that not reflect that you were insulted and not pleased? I didn't quote "angry", btw. And your final comment about not being very good at this--again, entirely unnecessary. | |
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rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: I don't know your reputation here or anywhere, and that's not where I'm functioning from. (Although apparently, YOU are). I don't need or want any apology from you anyway...
Im functioning form my intergtrity because you are trying to assisnate my character which is surprising but expected. Give me a fucking break--I am not trying to assassinate your character! You're doing that all on your own. The thread speaks for itself, and you've done FAR more mudslinging than I have. | |
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rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: Anji said: This is really typical of what may happen in a frank discussion between men and women, that involves sex...
1) Topic is brought up that may involve sex e.g. buying dinner 2) Most people want, think and enjoy sex, and if they are being truthful, will discuss the manner in how they seek it 3) The more direct, less 'romantic' means to getting some for a man, maybe 'distasteful' news to others. This particularly includes those that have been hurt from previous relationships 4) The offended party brings in past feelings of said 'broken' relationship as a means of disagreeing with views of the offendee. Best thing to do here is just listen... 5) Rd is left to defend himself in spite of not committing any crime, but simply suggesting the truth as far as he is concerned NEXT STEPS... 6) Rd takes AnotherLover2 out for dinner in spite of such differences, and as an opportunity for apology 7) Rd will probably still have at least one thought about sex during the meal, even though he really shouldn't I better stop now before this gets ugly This is really unneccessary, but I'm sure your friend RD will appreciate the support. Stop playing the victim role for sympathy..you know better than this. Your Psychology 101 is not going to cut it here. | |
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AnotherLover2 said: Anji said: NEXT STEPS... 6) Rd takes AnotherLover2 out for dinner in spite of such differences, and as an opportunity for apology 7) Rd will probably still have at least one thought about sex during the meal, even though he really shouldn't I better stop now before this gets ugly This is really unneccessary, but I'm sure your friend RD will appreciate the support. I don't know Rd at all. I do find his Prince critiquing insightful however. My comment was to serve you both some light refreshments in between courses (I sound like a waiter )
Secondly, does that mean you don't want any IHOP with Rd? | |
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AnotherLover2 said: rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: I don't know your reputation here or anywhere, and that's not where I'm functioning from. (Although apparently, YOU are). I don't need or want any apology from you anyway...
Im functioning form my intergtrity because you are trying to assisnate my character which is surprising but expected. Give me a fucking break--I am not trying to assassinate your character! You're doing that all on your own. The thread speaks for itself, and you've done FAR more mudslinging than I have. If thats the cae then why do you kep responding for the last ten posts u made? "Climb in my fur." | |
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AnotherLover2 said: Stop playing the victim role for sympathy..you know better than this.
Your Psychology 101 is not going to cut it here.[/quote] Look who's talking ! It isn't anything to do with psychology ..this shit is OBVIOUS to any layman."Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: I don't know your reputation here or anywhere, and that's not where I'm functioning from. (Although apparently, YOU are). I don't need or want any apology from you anyway...
Im functioning form my intergtrity because you are trying to assisnate my character which is surprising but expected. Give me a fucking break--I am not trying to assassinate your character! You're doing that all on your own. The thread speaks for itself, and you've done FAR more mudslinging than I have. If thats the cae then why do you kep responding for the last ten posts u made? So, in your mind, continuing this conversation (regardless of what's said) is assassinating your character? | |
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rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: Stop playing the victim role for sympathy..you know better than this.
Your Psychology 101 is not going to cut it here. Look who's talking ! It isn't anything to do with psychology ..this shit is OBVIOUS to any layman.[/quote]
I backed off and gave up on the topic of men/women and sex because it took a nasty turn with your comment. This is not "playing the victim", it's realizing that it went too far to remain playful. I am continuing on this thread because you repeatedly make inaccurate statements about what I said and what I meant. Again, not "victim" behavior. | |
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Anji said: I don't know Rd at all. I do find his Prince critiquing insightful however. My comment was to serve you both some light refreshments in between courses (I sound like a waiter )
Secondly, does that mean you don't want any IHOP with Rd? Nah..she's busy being hysterical for many reasons and not because what she says ( I hurt her). Its basically due that she wasnt used to me..most lay down to her because she likes to come off as sage advice lady with some schooling etc and her pride is hurt and theres nothing that can make it better. "Climb in my fur." | |
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AnotherLover2 said: rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: rdhull said: AnotherLover2 said: I don't know your reputation here or anywhere, and that's not where I'm functioning from. (Although apparently, YOU are). I don't need or want any apology from you anyway...
Im functioning form my intergtrity because you are trying to assisnate my character which is surprising but expected. Give me a fucking break--I am not trying to assassinate your character! You're doing that all on your own. The thread speaks for itself, and you've done FAR more mudslinging than I have. If thats the cae then why do you kep responding for the last ten posts u made? So, in your mind, continuing this conversation (regardless of what's said) is assassinating your character? Um no...its when u add bold print etc trying to say what was my intent etc--stuff like that. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: Anji said: I don't know Rd at all. I do find his Prince critiquing insightful however. My comment was to serve you both some light refreshments in between courses (I sound like a waiter )
Secondly, does that mean you don't want any IHOP with Rd? Nah..she's busy being hysterical for many reasons and not because what she says ( I hurt her). Its basically due that she wasnt used to me..most lay down to her because she likes to come off as sage advice lady with some schooling etc and her pride is hurt and theres nothing that can make it better. Once again, completely unnecessary. You're regressing, big time, having to resort to petty insults such as this. My posts would most definitely don't reflect a "hysterical" point of view. You're projecting your own shit big-time here. | |
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