JudasLChrist said:

Even if the contact was not a problem for her, being the cause of your brother's death may leave an impression. She must certainly have some awareness that she is at the center of this storm.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

This was in the 70s and no, she was being molested. clearly.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

But so fucking what? Because I've been robbed everyone should have mercy on me and feel sorry for me if I go out and rob somebody else? If that's the attitude then everybody committing every type of crime should have their own pity party.

DesireeNevermind said:

It's not about a pity party at all. It's about people trying to understand why things happen but it's also about NOT supporting vigilante justice - no matter what the case is.

DesireeNevermind said:

Obviously you're affected by the issue. Still, I and others will continue to advocate on behalf of a child who in all likelyhood was created into what he became. That issue must not be missed in all the hoopla and burning at the stake. The kid is dead so everyone with issues can rest easy.

And can you please show where it is proven this 15 year old finger f'd the toddler. You keep saying this but I don't see it anywhere.

JustErin said:

But in the case of pedophiles, society has exhausted all efforts of trying to understand why. We have not reduced the incidents of molestation/rape, in fact they have probably risen. Many an incarcerated pedophile goes out to molest/rape again. It's time for prevention and harsh punishment. It's unfortunate and terribly sad that the father reacted the way he did (maybe an ass whoopin' and barring of contact with the toddler would have sufficed) but the upside in all this gloom is that the son won't have a chance to molest any other children ever again. The dad also will not have a chance to commit murder again.

DesireeNevermind said:

Society has done NOTHING but put bandaids on gaping wounds.

DesireeNevermind said:

You honestly think all efforts of prevention have been exhausted?

As I said in an earlier post, a young (probably) confused kid touching another child does not make him an automatic repeat offender.

But we're back along the lines of what graycap was saying earlier, let's just live by a 'better safe than sorry' guideline and ASSUME we know what's going on and punish harshly, or kill.

Vigilante justice is never acceptable, and most times it's based on total ignorance.

JustErin said:

Humans are smart enough 2 know right from wrong.
Violate a child or a female....u should be put down.

Simple.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm saying "fingered" because on CNN news they said the 15 year old molested the child and they said inappropriate fondling or digital penetration then they went on to say medical examination did not find trauma. Digits means fingers yes? If you read any other stories on rape/molestation, sexual trauma generally means scars/tearing/blood and so forth.

Further, if you read the original newsworthy post, you can infer that the "inappropriate" touching meant him sticking fingers where they don't belong hence the mother saying "this can't be swept under the rug" and the father reacting the way he did. What other kind of inappropriate touching do you think would lead a man to murder and beat his son? If it aint dick in baby pussy/ass, then it's finger in baby pussy/ass.

JustErin said:

As a society (US) we haven't even started. We've tried an endgame run around the issue while never addressing the root of the problem.

Graycap23 said:

Wow.

DesireeNevermind said:

The assumptions being made in this thread are pretty scary...but not surprising I guess.

JustErin said:

I MEANT every word.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Because addressing the root ususally means taking a real look at ourselves and people are just not willing to do that. It's far easier to just point a finger and say, "Bad! let's punish".

Graycap23 said:

Oh, I know you did.

JustErin said:

Exactly. There can't be any abusers without those willing to be abused. Of course not in this context but the other thread talking about testing for paternity there is all this focus on deadbeat dads and none on the women who get impregnated by them.

you're right, this would require us looking ourselves in the face to solve the issue and people can't do that. So sad.

JustErin said:

Well if one incident does not make one a repeat offending pedophile then my statement would not apply. But I happen to think that if one molests and rapes a child once, they will do it again.

I have no problem in stopping pedophilia before it starts but our society has not figured out a way or at least agreed on a method for doing that. I'm of the opinion that stiffer penalties may, not will, but may act as a deterrent. the penalties imposed now do not seem to work. And I disagree that most times vigilante justice is based on total ignorance. There is no way to adequately measure that. How many cases do we even have in our society?

JustErin said:

It is scary because people tend to assume all sorts of facts not in evidence to support their opinions. I've seen and read several reports now and no one has reported what actually took place beyond the boy lying on top of his sister. Even if that was the extent of what happened it was still a crime but it's disturbing to see people imply that the father's actions were somehow appropriate. Not only that...revenge killing does not deter future molestors any more than the death penalty deters murder.

Offenders need to face justice of course but I agree with you and Supa that at some point we need to face these issues and address the factors in our society that contribute to such widespread abhorrent behavior.

And I still think it's possible that the father's motive was to silence the boy among other things. This guy ain't no damn hero.

Graycap23 said:

Hence, the "WOW."

DesireeNevermind said:

Probably only a third or less are ever reported.

brb . . .

This doesn't answer the question either but interesting.

Statistics on Pedophiles

Sixty-seven percent of all victims of sexual assault reported to law enforcementagencies were juveniles (under the age of 18) 34% of all victims were under age 12.
One of every seven victims of sexual assault reported to law enforcement were under age 6.
8 out of 10 prisoners convicted of sexual assault had committed their crime against a victim under age 18.
Convicted rape and sexual assault offenders serving time in State prisons report that two-thirds of their victims were under the age of 18, and 58% of those–or nearly 4 in 10 imprisoned violent sex offenders–said their victims were aged 12 or younger.
Four data sets (the FBI’s UCR arrests, State felony court convictions, prison admissions, and the National Crime Victimization Survey) all point to a sex offender who is older than other violent offenders, generally in his early 30’s, and more likely to be white than other violent offenders.
On a given day in 1994 there were approximately 234,000 offenders convicted of rape or sexual assault under the care, custody or control of corrections agnecies: nearly 60% of these sex offenders are under conditional supervision in the community.
An estimated 24% of those serving time for rape and 19% of those serving time for sexual assault had been on probation or parole at the time of the offense for which they were in State prison in 1991. ( U.S. Department of Justice)
Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison–5.3% of sex offenders vs 1.3% of non-sex offenders.
A 1994 National Institute of Health survey of 453 pedophiles, conducted by Dr. Gene Abel, showed these criminals were collectively responsible for the molestation of over 67,000 children. That’s an average of 148 children per individual pedophile.
An estimated 5.1% (1 of every 20 persons) will serve time in prison during their lifetime. (Criminal Offenders Statistics)
“62.5% of 108,580 persons released from prison in 1983 were re-asserted for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years.”
(Bureau of Justice Standards.)
“2/3rds of Sex Offenders in State Prisons had victimized a Child.’ (Bureau of Justice Standards.)
“60% of 234,000 sexual offenders in 1994 convicted of rape or sexual assault were under conditional supervision in the community.”
“The median age of the victims of imprisoned sexual offenders was less than 13 years old.” (Bureau of Justice Standards.)
“4 in 10 inmates serving time in jail for intimate violence were on probation or parole at the time of the violent attack on the intimate (someone they knew)’ (Criminal Offenders Statistics)
80% of inmates serving time in State Prison for intimate violence had injured or killed their victim.” (Criminal Offenders Statistics)
“96% of female rape victims in 1991, younger than 12 years old, knew their attackers. 20% were victimized by their fathers or step-fathers.” (US Department of Justice)
Children younger than 18 were the victims in almost 20% of the violent crimes committed by State Prisoners. 50% were 12 years old or younger. (U.S. Department of Justice.)
25% of prisoners who victimized children had prior convictions for violent crimes. (U.S. Department of Justice.)
Between 1976 and 1994, almost 37,000 children were murdered. 66% were less than 1 years old and 58% of those from 1 to 4 years old were killed by beating with fists, or blunt objects or by kicking. (U.S. Department of Justice.) “Family Members or Acquaintances commit most of the Child Murders.” (Bureau of Criminal Justice Standards.)
1 in 5 violent offenders serving time in a State prison reported having victimized a child.
More than half the violent crimes committed against children involved victims age 12 or younger.
7 in 10 offenders with child victims reported that they were imprisoned for a rape or sexual assault.
Two-thirds of all prisoners convicted of rape or sexual assault had committed their crime against a child.
All but 3% of offenders who committed violent crimes against children were male.
Offenders who had victimized a child were on average 5 years older than the violent offenders who had committed their crimes against adults.
Nearly 25% of child victimizers were age 40 or older, but about 10% of the inmates with adult victims fell in that age range.
While nearly 70% of those serving time for violent crimes against children were white, whites accounted for 40% of those imprisoned for violent crimes against adults.
Inmates who victimized children were less likely than other inmates to have a prior criminal record–nearly a third of child-victimizers had never been arrested prior to the current offense, compared to less than 20% of those who victimized adults.
Violent child-victimizers were substantially more likely than those with adult victims to have been physically or sexually abused when they were children, though the majority of violent offenders, regardless of victim age, did not have a history of such abuse.
About 14% of child victimizers carried a weapon during the violent crime, compared to nearly half of those who victimized adults.
About 10% of violent offenders with child victims received life or death sentences and the average prison term was 11 years, somewhat shorter average sentences than received by those with adult victims.
3 in 10 child victimizers reported that they had committed their crimes against multiple victims; they were more likely than those who victimized adults to have had multiple victims.
3 in 4 child victims of violence were female.
For the vast majority of child victimizers in State prison, the victim was someone they knew before the crime.
A third had committed their crime against their own child, about half had a relationship with the victim as a friend, acquaintance, or relative other than offspring. About 1 in 7 reported the victim to have been a stranger to them.
Three-quarters of the violent victimizations of children took place in either the victim’s home or the offender’s home.
4 in 10 child victims of violence suffered either a forcible rape or another injury
Statistics
The Statistics of Teacher sexual abuse to Students
The best estimate is that 15% of students will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff during their school career.
Though, when the American Association of University Women Foundation surveyed more than 1,600 students in eighth through 11th grade, 25 percent of the girls and 10 percent of the boys who said they had been harassed or abused said the harasser was a school employee.
The number of K-12 public and private school students in 1996 who have been or will be sexually abused by a member of the school staff is nearly 7 million of 51,331,000.
Between 1% and 5% of teachers sexually abuse or harass students.
At least a quarter of all school districts in the United States have dealt with a case of staff sexual abuse in the past ten years.
Most cases of sexual abuse of students by teachers are never reported.
In nearly half of the cases, suspects were accused of abusing more than one student.
Only two cases were cases of false accusations; less than 1 percent of the cases studied.
No type of school was immune to abuse: public or private, religious or secular, rich or poor, urban or rural.
Responses to Allegations of Sexual Abuse of Students by Staff
38.7% of the teachers resigned, left the district, or retired
17.5% were spoken to informally
15% were terminated or not re-hired
11.3% received a formal verbal or written reprimand
8.1% were suspended and then resumed teaching
7.5% were cases where the superintendent determined that the teacher hadn’t meant to sexually abuse
Of the nearly 54% of abusers who resigned, weren’t rehired, retired, or were terminated, superintendents reported that 16% were teaching in other schools and that they didn’t know what had happened to the other 84%. All but 1% of these teachers retained their teaching license.
Teacher Student Sex Legalities
In 20 states, it is not a crime for school employees—including teachers, administrators, and coaches—to have sex with students aged 16 and over.
In 23 states, it is not a crime for school employees to have sex with students aged 17 and over.
In 45 states, it is not a crime for school employees to have sex with students aged 18 and over.
In 16 states, it is a crime for adults in a position of trust and authority—teachers, administrators, and coaches among them—to have sex with students under the age of 18.
Child Pornography and the Internet
It is estimated that 500 million people worldwide will be connected to the Internet by 2003.
There are an estimated 100,000 Web sites involved in some way with child pornography.
The U.S. Customs Cyber Smuggling Center in Fairfax, Virginia, has reviewed more than 10,000 tips since January 2000.
A 1999 U.S. Customs case revealed a child pornography Web site that in its first three months recorded nearly 150,000 hits and the download of 3.2 million images.
Since 1992, the U.S. Customs Service has arrested more than 1,000 people on charges related to child pornography. Customs has never lost a case that has gone to the judicial process — defendants have either pleaded guilty or have been convicted.
Almost 24 million children ages 10 to 17 were online regularly in 1999.
A survey conducted in 2000 of 1,501 U.S. children ages 10 to 17 showed that about 1 in 4 had had unwanted exposure to an image of naked people or people having sex in the previous year.
Roughly 1 in 5 children had received a sexual solicitation or approach.
One in 33 children had received an aggressive solicitation, meaning that someone asked them to meet somewhere, or called on the phone, or sent them a regular e-mail, money or gifts.
Less than 10 percent of sexual solicitations and only 3 percent of unwanted exposure episodes were ever reported to authorities, including law enforcement agencies or Internet providers.
Arrests for possessing and distributing child pornography have been climbing steadily, in part because federal agencies are devoting more resources to the issue.
In fiscal year 1992, U.S. Customs recorded 57 arrests for possession of child pornography transported across borders, 48 indictments and 69 convictions.
By 2000, those numbers had grown to 320 arrests, 299 indictments and 324 convictions.

http://www.cpiu.us/statistics-2/

DesireeNevermind said:

Statistics on pedophilia are as difficult to come by as anecdotes are easy. The definition itself is misunderstood and often ill-used. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that belongs to a larger group known as paraphilias: sexual lust that is not connected to adult romantic love. Pedophilia is sexual contact between an adult and a child who hasn't reached puberty. Another disorder in the paraphilias group is ephebophilia — intense sexual interest in teenagers. According to the FBI, 61% of rape victims are under age 18, and 29% are younger than 11. Generally accepted academic studies say one out of every four women was sexually molested by an adult before she was 18. For men: 1 out of 10. Yet only one out of every 10 cases of child sexual abuse is reported to law enforcement, the FBI reports.

This list gives sources of most if not all of the material in the earlier posted list.


"There are 400,000 registered sex offenders in the United States, and an estimated 80 to 100,000 of them are missing. They're supposed to be registered, but we don't know where they are and we don't know where they're living.
- Ernie Allen, President of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Childrento co-anchor Hannah Storm on The Early Show

• The most serious and chronic offenders often show signs of antisocial behavior as early as the preschool years.
- (American Psychiatric Association, 1994) (was in Juvenile Justice Bulletin: Nov 1998 OJJDP: U.S. Department of Justice)

• Dr. Gene Abel estimates that between 1% and 5% of our population molest children
-CNN Specials Transcript #454-Thieves of Childhood.

• Nearly all the offenders in sexual assaults reported to law enforcement were male (96%).
- Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement, 7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

• Overall, 23% of sexual assault offenders were under the 18 and 77% were adults - Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

• 40% of the offenders of victims under age 6 were themselves juveniles. A similar proportion (39%) of offenders of victims ages 6 through 11 were also juveniles. For older juvenile victims, the proportion of juvenile offenders dropped to 27%.
- Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

•Adults were the offender in 60% of the sexual assaults of youth under age 12. Rarely were the offenders of young victims strangers. Strangers were the offender in just 3% of sexual assaults against victims under age 6 and 5% of the sexual assault of victimizations of youth ages 6 through 11.
-Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement,
7/00, NCJ 182990, U.S. Department of Justice

• 1 in 5 violent offenders serving time in a state prison reported having victimized a child.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• 2/3 of all prisoners convicted of rape or sexual assault had committed their crime against a child.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• Acquaintance perpetrators are the most common abusers, constituting approximately 70-90% of all reported perpetrators.
-Finkelhor, D. 1994.

• 89% of child sexual assault cases involve persons known to the child, such as a caretaker or family acquaintance.
-Diana Russell Survey, 1978

• 29% of child sexual abuse offenders are relatives, 60% are acquaintances, and only 11% are strangers.
-Diana Russell, The Secret Trauma, NY:Basic Books, 1986.

• For the vast majority of child victimizers in State prison, the victim was someone they knew before the crime. 1/3 had committed their crime against their own child, about 1/2 had a relationship with the victim as a friend, acquaintance, or relative other than offspring, about 1 in 7 reported the victim to have been a stranger to them.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• 3/4 of the violent victimizations of children took place in either the victim's home or the offenders home.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• Males are reported to be the abusers in 80-95% of cases
-Thoringer, D., et al., 1988.

• About 60% of the male survivors sampled report at least one of their perpetrators to be female.
-Mendel, 1993.

• All but 3% of offenders who committed violent crimes against children were male.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

•The typical offender is male, begins molesting by age 15, engages in a variety of deviant behavior, and molests an average of 117 youngsters, most of whom do not report the offense.
-Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study.

• Offenders who had victimized a child were on average 5 years older than the violent offenders who had committed their crimes against adults. Nearly 25% of child victimizers were age 40 or older, but about 10% of the inmates with adult victims fell in that range.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• 71% of male offenders are under the age of 35.
-Dr. Ann Burges, Dr. Nicholas Groth, et al. in a study of imprisoned offenders.

• 3/4 of sexual predators are younger than 35. About 80% are of normal intelligence or above.
-Profiles from the FBI Academy and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

• Though officially, not considered abuse, the highest incidence of incest occurs among siblings.
-Waterman & Lusk, 1986.

• Many clinical settings currently are witnessing a dramatic increase in the number of adolescent offenders who have committed sexually aggressive acts against other children.
-Conte, Jon R., 1986.

• While nearly 70% of those serving time for violent crimes against children were white, whites accounted for 40% of those imprisoned for violent crimes against adults.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• Inmates who victimized children were less likely than other inmates to have a prior criminal record-nearly 1/3 of child victimizers had never been arrested prior to the current offense, compared to less than 20% of those who victimized adults.
--BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• Violent child victimizers were substantially more likely than those with adult victims to have been physically or sexually abused when they were children..
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• 50% of reported child molestations involve the use of physical force and child molesters produce as much visible physical injury as rapists-39% of victims.
-Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study.

• About 14% of child victimizers carried a weapon during the violent crime, compared to nearly 1/2 of those who victimized adults.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• About 10% of violent offenders with child victims received life or death sentences and the average prison term was 11 years, somewhat shorter average sentences than received by those with adult victims.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• More than 1/2 of all convicted sex offenders are sent back to prison within a year. Within 2 years, 77.9% are back.
-California Department of Corrections.

• Recidivism rates range from 18-45%. The more violent the crime the more likelihood of repeating.
-Studies by the state of Washington.

• 3 in 10 child victimizers reported that they had committed their crimes against multiple victims: they were more likely than those who victimized adults to have had multiple victims.
-BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.

• Like rape, child molestation is one of the most underreported crimes: only 1-10% are ever disclosed.
-FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin.

• The behavior is highly repetitive, to the point of compulsion, rather than resulting from a lack of judgment.
-Dr. Ann Burges, Dr. Nicholas Groth, et al. in a study of imprisoned offenders.

http://www.yellodyno.com/...stats.html

All those statistics just made my heart ache. Disgusting. And when I was a kid, it was 1 out of 7 girls and 1 out of 10 boys would be molested. Now it's what? 1 out of 4 girls? I read elsewhere that the statistics for boys being molested is 1 out of 7. And the recidivism is in upwards of nearly 50%! That means almost half of all these dirtbags will do it again. Anybody with half a brain knows that they start doing this shit in their teens when their lust level is probably most high, compiled with curiosity, easy access to a child and the improbability of getting caught. These studies have been going on for decades and the cases of molestation go up not down. People want to act like there's more to do and understand...fuck that shit. Why should we wait until its 1 out of 2 kids before we start putting these sick bastards down. We are more quick to kill a horse over a broken leg than kill a twisted human who may molested anywhere from 148 kids. Sickening!

DesireeNevermind said:

How about as a society, we don't create manias in peoples heads and create monsters from the ground up. That is where the real battle lies.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What do you mean "create manias in peoples heads"? You think those statistics are not accurate?

The only way to reduce those statistics, which I think are probably greater given that we're dealing with reportable offenses and not those that go unreported, is to kill these pedo muthafukkas!
[Edited 11/25/09 16:21pm]

DesireeNevermind said:

There's a paedophile next door. Just saw him this morning, taking a piss in his front yard. I'm not about to go round there and kill him though.

Fauxie said:

somebody else probably will after he fucks their pre-schooler.

DesireeNevermind said:

people often develop unhealthy sexual fantasies or tendencies after someone fucked with their heads or did something to them.

I have a cousin who is a career criminal. everyone is disappointed in him and have written him off out of their lives. And while I believe he is in control of himself as an adult, often what is missing in the whole conversation is that his dad taught him to steal from the age of 3 and inducted him into that kind of life for several more years before he left the scene. In other words, my cousin was created into a thief. It didn't help that he had to steal to eat. He is a repeat offender but he was given that life to live by someone else.

Similarly these men are often given this life by someone who abused they sexually or mentally until their sense of self and sexuality is totally warped. I understand the visceral reaction of those who have suffered through abuse in this manner but there is a bigger story that isn't being told here and just killing kids so they can't grow up to be men isn't the answer.

DesireeNevermind said:

No, he won't be doing anything like that, his health is really bad.

Someone else said of him that he got his just rewards when his daughter died in the tsunami and as much as I would like him to get his, by the appropriate means, I couldn't help but shake my head at that. People get filled with blood lust and lose perspective.