She had been married to the man so she would know if the man had a rage problem and a tendency to overreact.

Deadflow3r said:

SHE.

WOULD.

Unbelievable.

JudasLChrist said:

Okay, here's my opinion, I just don't understand why this situation could have been handled a better way. Why didn't the father either give his son a beating (not to point of abuse) and talk to him about it and get the kid some help??? Or why didn't the Mom just report this to the police. I just don't understand, I'm not condoning this boy's actions, although I'm beginning to think there's more to this situation than what's being reported, but what his father did to him was beyond horrible and then leaving afterwards like it never happened is even more sick. I mean, I'm beginning to think that the son was probably abused himslef, maybe even by the father!!!!! People are so quick to bash this kid, again I'm not condoning the boy's action, its just that he could have been abused, raped, or anything. And just from reading this article, his parents sound like stupid, idiotic low-lifes.
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Deadflow3r said:

Who says the father was right? Please provide a source.

PDogz said:

Ever think it might be the other way around? That the father was looking for any way to get rid of the kid that tied him to a woman he hated? I mean, he had a new family now...maybe he resented his old family.

I'm not saying this is the way it is...but it's just as easy to suspect this scenario.

JustErin said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

This whole situation itself is just sick.

SUPRMAN said:

not only that but we don't know how many times it occurred or how long it would have gone on had there not been an end to it.

DesireeNevermind said:

But we don't know if this kid was abused or raped either so lets stop all this pedophile bashing on this kid. I'm not condoning his actions I'm just saying.

JudasLChrist said:

No offense but there are plenty of specialists in this field and I am sure they all have varying conclusions. Pedophiles are not simply adults by definition. I posted one definition above as you can see. That whole transgression of boundaries is a poor excuse for an older kid ( a year or 3 from adulthood depending on his residence) abusing a smaller kid and in this case his own sibling and a baby. Yes a three year old is still a baby IMO.

As for MJ, I won't even bother b/c I thought the man was innocent not only in the eyes of the law but by the mouths of his so called abusers. And what pedophile perv can't talk his way out of his crime. They all say they didn't see anything wrong. That's like the car thief getting caught behind the wheel shouting "I didn't do nothin'".

NastradumasKid said:

Just because he may have been raped or abused, that gives him no right to do it to someone else least of all his baby sister. I know too many folk unfortunately who have been abused but they don't even consider doing that to someone else.

At this point we just need to wait for more info. I will say this,,,that boy's momma is highly suspect IMO.

NastradumasKid said:

Yes. PLEASE.
I understand why there is zero forgiveness policy from those who have been abused but so many abusers were abused themselves. I knew a girl who at 6 years old was flirting and making sexual advances at the boyfriend of someone we knew. Those around her judged her as being a whore so young when it is OBVIOUS she was already being sexually abused because no 6 year old understands any of that language unless they learned it from someone else.

DesireeNevermind said:

Nobody is saying he had a right. We're saying he was (potentially) a victim too.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Exactly!!!!!

DesireeNevermind said:

Well, she actually may not have been harmed by it. It's possible it was pleasurable for her. I'm not saying it was, but that is definitely a possibility, depending on what happened.

The kid ratted himself out to his mom so, I think that probably would have been the end of it right there.

Reading this story, we don't know what transpired. It's a truism that kids are sexual beings and engage in sexual play. There's a huge gulf between that and sexual abuse. It's best not to make assumptions. The crime that we do know that happened here is the sadistic execution by the father. Pretty sick.

JudasLChrist said:

Agreed.

JudasLChrist said:

I was 5 when my 16 year old uncle started sexually abusing me. How was he not a pedophile?

Vendetta1 said:

"Started sexually abusing" you is what's key, don't you think? Lots of kids experiment with other kids...but it never leads to ongoing abuse or anything agt all. It's just confusion and/or curiosity. I think there is a difference.

We live in a world where children are utterly bombarded with sexual images...how can one not expect there to be confusion at some point?

And in no way am I suggesting your uncle was just confused. Please don't take it as me saying that.

Vendetta1 said:

That's pretty sick man.

SUPRMAN said:

It's a fair comparison, but Greycap's idea is even more extreme. He wants to kill potential criminals before they've committed the crime.

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NastradumasKid said:

And now we'll never know because the father conveniently murdered the only person who might have given more details.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

gosh, I thought the same thing!

SUPRMAN said:

Minority report was about CHARGING people with a crime before the crime was committed based on thought... this post was a response to Graycap who posted that potential pedophiles should be punished. This ties into the Minority Report the

babynoz said:

JudasLChrist said:

Oh please!
The other crime (via confession) is that a 15 year old decided to get his sexual gratification from a 3 year old. Until I see 3 year olds marching down main street for their right to get finger fucked by their older teen siblings, I will believe this to be a case of abuse. Fuck all that poppy cock (no pun intended) about kids engaging in sex play. What's that an excuse? Never seen a couple babies tryna hump or blow each other and if you ever do...chances are they learned it from an older person who took advantage of their innocence. Kids imitate/learn both good and bad behavior.

If this was pleasurable, it was for him and it was so pleasurable he paid the price with his life. It's unfortunate that his father had to exact the ultimate form of punishment but uh....what did this kid think was going to transpire? In what bizzaro universe did he think what he was doing was acceptable? Oh wait, I know...the universe where people think 3 year olds wanna get sexually abused by their teen brothers.

And yeah the kid ratted himself out...maybe he wanted somebody to stop him. Maybe he did it on purpose to piss off his dad and step mom. Maybe he only ratted himself out after he got caught in the act. Who knows. He's dead. Dad's most likely going to spend the rest of his life in prison. Little girl is temporarily safe until some other perv comes along. No bright side here unfortunately, but no dark side either.

JustErin said:

I think it's safe to say too that there are pedophiles, adults whose primary sexual attraction is children, who don't ever act on their desire. Abuse is abuse.

While I don't excuse the boy's behavior... I do believe the penalty was harsh. He confided to his mother... which meant that he recognized he was wrong and wanted help. I think he should have been allowed the chance to be arrested and taken to a facility to at least start treatment. There have been kids who have MURDERED someone and they got the opportunity for treatment.

What disturbs me is the father's actions. And also his lack of emotion about his son's death at father's hand...even after the murder happened.

Did you know he called the boy's mother by mistake and said "hey, don't worry, I took care of that matter" Evidently he thought he was calling girlfriend but instead called his son's mother. And she reports his tone of voice was very matter of fact, not grief stricken. and I have yet to see him show any emotion or remorse at all.

That makes me wonder what would have been revealed had this young man entered treatment. But we will never know... because his father, (cruel, unemotional, matter of fact) has silenced the boy forever.

I do believe the boy was going to get help... his mother said we can't sweep this under the rug. That signals she was serious about getting her boy help and who knows... secrets that have been secured for years were about to come out. Maybe dad went to beat the shyt out of the boy thinking if I beat him to within an inch of his life... he won't dare breathe a word... and then after the beating realize that it would be better to just get it over with and just shut him up for good.

I really do believe this boy had some secrets to tell.

prodigalfan said:

I didn't hear of that. That would be the type of behavior that would seal the deal and pretty much damn you to eternal Hell.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:[quote]

NastradumasKid said:

Yes. PLEASE.
I understand why there is zero forgiveness policy from those who have been abused but so many abusers were abused themselves. I knew a girl who at 6 years old was flirting and making sexual advances at the boyfriend of someone we knew. Those around her judged her as being a whore so young when it is OBVIOUS she was already being sexually abused because no 6 year old understands any of that language unless they learned it from someone else.[/quote]

Television? Movies?