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Reply #90 posted 11/20/09 12:55pm

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I think it should have stopped at the ass whooping. But I can see how the father may have gone there thinking his 3 year old had been all out raped. He can use a temporary insanity defense depending on how long it took him to get from home to the son's house and whether he had any violence toward the son before (have to exclude pre-meditation).

I feel sorry for the dad, the new baby momma and the boy's mother and this little girl who may grow up with a family more dysfunctional than it was prior to the murder. However, I have no sympathy for that boy. He loved his father? GTFO! Yeah he loved daddy so much he decided to finger fuck daddy's 3 year old baby. And the medical examiners get on my nerves talking about sexual trauma. They think as long as nothing was busted, cut and bleeding that there was no trauma but what about psychological trauma? How is that 3 year old suppose to process what was done to her?

I'm sure as time went on he would have done a lot more and a lot worse. Who knows how many other children he might have molested. It's never just one kid. Some molesters start early and contrary to popular opinion not all of them have personal history of sex abuse. Some of them just have a sexual attraction to children.

I'm wondering about this mother. Why would she call the dad and not the little girl's mother? What did she expect the reaction from either of those parents to be? She couldn't have thought they would all sit down and talk about it.


The fact that he had to drive to the home, is premeditation.
The argument has to be that he did not intend to kill his son when he went to the home. Very tough to prove here.
If did not have the gun on his person when he left his house, it's arguably premeditation. If he had to get the gun, what other purpose would he have needed the gun for to deal with his 15 year old son. He can't credibly say he felt threatened, so he went to the threat . . . .

If the gun was in the car, he had to get the gun before going into the house.
To suggest there wasn't a belt or some other tool to discipline isn't credible. That's premeditation.

Marching his son outside to a parking lot is premeditation.
It's hard to argue that he did not intend to kill his son when he marched him out of the house. Premeditation.

It's first degree murder with malice aforethought. (He intended to kill and did kill.)

Temporary insanity? Doubtful also. He wasn't in the home. He had to take time to get there. No problem doing that or confronting his son.
His emotional state isn't going to be enough to say that he was not in a state of mind to know what he was doing.
Why march his naked son outside? Why shoot him execution style? Why shoot him in a parking lot? None of that says insanity. It says deliberation.
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But couldn't he have snapped the moment he heard the news of what his son did to his daughter? It takes only a minute to grab a gun. You can be in a crazed state and still operate a vehicle. Also, maybe he didn't intend to kill him until he reached the front door and saw him. Who knows what he was thinking when he went over there. Perhaps he went over there with the he intent to threaten his son but not actually kill him. Also, we don't know fully how the mother framed the story to the dad. Perhaps she made it out to be so horrible that the dad couldn't take it and reacted with violent instinct. Any parent in the animal kingdom will kill to protect their offspring.

Now you bring up the fact that he marched the naked boy outside and shot him in front of several witnesses (after he beat him). That in itself is very odd behavior. Who would do that where others could see? Then he drives off as if nothing happened. Again, very odd and suspicious behavior. I still think he could use some sort of mentally impaired defense...either insanity or something else depending on his overall medical history. I just don't see this playing out as a regular ole homicide on the defense's part. Unless this dude is a total idiot (and he could very well be) he's gonna come up with some story to explain why he reacted the way he did.
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Reply #91 posted 11/20/09 12:58pm

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eek I just had a thought. What if the Dad was trying to cover up something?

maybe the son had been touched and the dad knew and was worried that the son would tell?



yeah, this makes the dad come off as a hero, when maybe... It's like those firefighters that end up being the one that lit the fire.
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Reply #92 posted 11/20/09 1:00pm

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Deadflow3r said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

eek I just had a thought. What if the Dad was trying to cover up something?

maybe the son had been touched and the dad knew and was worried that the son would tell?



yeah, this makes the dad come off as a hero, when maybe... It's like those firefighters that end up being the one that lit the fire.


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Seriously, what if the dad did this to the son and his reaction is an extension of his own self loathing. This story is unbelievably sad all the way around.
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Reply #93 posted 11/20/09 1:07pm

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Boy Killed by Father Was Known as Teddy Bear

Video of the arraignment shows a relative of the child being taken out of the court room after screaming "No, no, no," when Pinkney Sr. was led into court.

His lawyer, Corbett O'Meara, called the incident a "devastating tragedy."

"My client is in shock and in mourning, but is hopeful that his family will be able to come out of this in as whole a state as possible," said O'Meara.

Pinkney Sr., who turned himself into authorities, had no previous criminal history and had worked "for years" as a letter carrier for the United States Post Office.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/...703&page=1

This is just too strange. So this man has no history of violence, hears that his one older child molests his baby child, then apparently acts out of character and commences to pistol whipping and murder. Then the judge has to enter a not guilty plea on the dad's behalf. Some weird shit.
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Reply #94 posted 11/20/09 1:15pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

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The fact that he had to drive to the home, is premeditation.
The argument has to be that he did not intend to kill his son when he went to the home. Very tough to prove here.
If did not have the gun on his person when he left his house, it's arguably premeditation. If he had to get the gun, what other purpose would he have needed the gun for to deal with his 15 year old son. He can't credibly say he felt threatened, so he went to the threat . . . .

If the gun was in the car, he had to get the gun before going into the house.
To suggest there wasn't a belt or some other tool to discipline isn't credible. That's premeditation.

Marching his son outside to a parking lot is premeditation.
It's hard to argue that he did not intend to kill his son when he marched him out of the house. Premeditation.

It's first degree murder with malice aforethought. (He intended to kill and did kill.)

Temporary insanity? Doubtful also. He wasn't in the home. He had to take time to get there. No problem doing that or confronting his son.
His emotional state isn't going to be enough to say that he was not in a state of mind to know what he was doing.
Why march his naked son outside? Why shoot him execution style? Why shoot him in a parking lot? None of that says insanity. It says deliberation.
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But couldn't he have snapped the moment he heard the news of what his son did to his daughter? It takes only a minute to grab a gun. You can be in a crazed state and still operate a vehicle. Also, maybe he didn't intend to kill him until he reached the front door and saw him. Who knows what he was thinking when he went over there. Perhaps he went over there with the he intent to threaten his son but not actually kill him. Also, we don't know fully how the mother framed the story to the dad. Perhaps she made it out to be so horrible that the dad couldn't take it and reacted with violent instinct. Any parent in the animal kingdom will kill to protect their offspring.

Now you bring up the fact that he marched the naked boy outside and shot him in front of several witnesses (after he beat him). That in itself is very odd behavior. Who would do that where others could see? Then he drives off as if nothing happened. Again, very odd and suspicious behavior. I still think he could use some sort of mentally impaired defense...either insanity or something else depending on his overall medical history. I just don't see this playing out as a regular ole homicide on the defense's part. Unless this dude is a total idiot (and he could very well be) he's gonna come up with some story to explain why he reacted the way he did.


All valid but he doesn't have a mental impairment defense.
Temporary insanity is out. In this case it would be reacting immediately and not thinking. Hard to say he had no time to consider his actions when he had to drive there.

You say, "Who knows what he was thinking when he went over there?" That is irrelevant. If you ask that question, you are admitting he was thinking, which takes you right back to premediation - he had time to consider his actions and chose to kill. What would a reasonable person in this situation have done is what the law asks.
It's not that he's expected to act reasonably (clearly he didn't) but would we all pistol whip our child, march him outside, force him to kneel in a public parking lot in front of witnesses and then execute him?

If had been in the home at the time he learned of the potential and alleged abuse and killed him with his bare hands, it would probably be manslaughter (he didn't intend to kill but his reaction took him too far resulting in the death of another.)
He can't get around the fact that he had to drive to the house to committ the crime.
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Reply #95 posted 11/20/09 2:40pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

Boy Killed by Father Was Known as Teddy Bear

Video of the arraignment shows a relative of the child being taken out of the court room after screaming "No, no, no," when Pinkney Sr. was led into court.

His lawyer, Corbett O'Meara, called the incident a "devastating tragedy."

"My client is in shock and in mourning, but is hopeful that his family will be able to come out of this in as whole a state as possible," said O'Meara.

Pinkney Sr., who turned himself into authorities, had no previous criminal history and had worked "for years" as a letter carrier for the United States Post Office.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/...703&page=1

This is just too strange. So this man has no history of violence, hears that his one older child molests his baby child, then apparently acts out of character and commences to pistol whipping and murder. Then the judge has to enter a not guilty plea on the dad's behalf. Some weird shit.



Forget that father, before acting out like a damn animal he should have thought about what can happen AFTER he killed anyone.

IF his son was a monster... then he can blame himself, because he acts like one too. No sympathy for dad from me. WTF! He's got me cussing I'm so angry.
How is he gonna explain stripping his son down naked before shooting him in the back of the head? Threatening the mom with a gun so she doesn't get her son away from him?

Let him live getting beaten and stripped in jail for a lifetime, he'll learn to love it.

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Reply #96 posted 11/20/09 6:22pm

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A Highland Park teenager was shot to death execution style after he confessed to inappropriately touching his 3-year-old half sister. Detroit police say Jamar Pinkney Sr. barged into Jamar Pinkney Jr.’s home, where he lived with his mother, and beat the boy before ordering him to strip naked. He then led the frightened 15-year-old out into a field where he shot him to death.

Lazette Cherry, Jamar’s mother said she was only trying to teach her son discipline when she called his father and told him what the boy had done. “I called and told his father this isn’t something you sweep under the rug,” Cherry said Wednesday.

Pinkney Sr., who was separated from Cherry and lived with the 3-year-old and her mother, rushed to the home with a gun.

“He started beating him right here,” Cherry said from her living room. “I said, ‘No, please stop!’ “ She said Pinkney Sr. marched the boy naked out of the house — in full view of neighbors — and ordered him on his knees.

“He got on his knees and begged, ‘No, Daddy! No!’ and he pulled the trigger,” Cherry said from her home on North Street in Highland Park. “There wasn’t nothing that my son wouldn’t do for his father. He loved his father so much.”

Jamar was shot once in the back of the head. Pinkney then calmly drove away. He was arrested 3 hours later and charged with one count of first-degree murder, three counts of felonious assault and one count of felony firearm.

Cherry said the 3-year-old’s mother took the girl to a hospital to be examined Sunday. She said Jamar told her he never raped the child and kept his clothes on.

A physical exam showed no evidence of sexual trauma.

Pinkney is being held without bond.


This is so sad on so many levels sad




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Reply #97 posted 11/20/09 9:21pm

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Why strip him naked?

...so he could rape HIM, before killing him. I'm sure there's more to this story than ever made the light of day.
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Reply #98 posted 11/20/09 9:59pm

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I don't believe the Mom was so innocent in all this. She may have even lied on that boy. She was probably enraged that the boys Dad was living across town with another "family", leaving her jilted & scorned with a son that she probably had little love for, and who at 15 was probably out of her control.

Mom would have known that Dad had a temper, and I'm sure she would have also known he had a gun. Mom probably figured, I'll just call this boys no-good father up, drop a lying dime on his ass (...something that was sure to make Dad good and mad; like his new baby girl -with that no-good bitch of a new wife- being molested), and Dad will come over here and take care of this boy but GOOD.

I'll seriously bet you this Mom orchestrated this whole shit. Because if the son honestly molested his little sister, Mom could/should have called the Police, had the girl taken to a Doctor, and followed up from there. Instead, she set that boy up (whom I'm sure she would have had issues with) to be killed. And the icing on the cake is two-fold. The mother of the girl (and wife of HER ex-husband) gets her marriage ripped apart, and Dad gets to go to prison for murdering his son, to boot. And she gets to sit back looking like a helpless victim - free to get her freak-on all over again.

Good work Mom! rolleyes
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Reply #99 posted 11/20/09 11:22pm

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You just never know how a father will react.

I believe THIS mother knew EXACTLY how the father would react. nod
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Reply #100 posted 11/20/09 11:24pm

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I think she was just as terrified as her son was. She might have froze in horror which is perfectly understandable, but damn... her son's life was on the line.

1 thing is 4 sure.....he won't be molesting anyone else.

There's a possibility that he didn't molest anyone in the first place.
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Reply #101 posted 11/20/09 11:28pm

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damn if that boy wasn't a dead ringer for his dad. like looking at a childhood photo of the father.

...and I bet the Mother hated that shit, with a passion!
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Reply #102 posted 11/20/09 11:57pm

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...and who was this 15 year old boy supposed to have "confessed" to before being murdered? His Mom?!? I seriously, very seriously, doubt it.

First of all, it's just not the type of thing ANY 15 year old would volunteer, and secondly; I don't believe this boy had THAT type of relationship with his Mother, where he would have confided in her with ANYTHING. Nope, I don't buy it. Moreover, how would this Mother get wind of any inappropriate behavior between this boy and his little sister before the Mother of the little girl would have? So what, the boy allegedly went over to his Dad & new wife's house, molested his little sister, then went home and confessed to his Mom?

The more I pull this thing apart, the less good it looks for the Mother of this boy. And I bet the prosecutors are all over it, lol.
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Reply #103 posted 11/21/09 9:45am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Deadflow3r said:




yeah, this makes the dad come off as a hero, when maybe... It's like those firefighters that end up being the one that lit the fire.


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Seriously, what if the dad did this to the son and his reaction is an extension of his own self loathing. This story is unbelievably sad all the way around.



I think this Dad is going to have more questions asked him by the authorities then "why did he kill the child verses report him to the authorities?" These are the kind of kids that end up in reform school. I just think the Dad did not want that child further questioned. That to me sounds extremely suspicious.
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Reply #104 posted 11/21/09 5:36pm

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I wonder if the Dad snapped because he was a victim of sexual abuse. Maybe once he heard what happened to his baby it brought back some traumatic memories.


Honestly, the only sad part IMO is that a father felt he had to kill his own son. He could have turned him into the authorities since the boy confessed and his mother could testify that he admitted the molestation to her.

Well at least he didn't turn a blind eye like so many families do. I think if there had not been an end to it in some way then the boy would have gone on to do a lot worse to that child and perhaps others.
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Reply #105 posted 11/21/09 5:40pm

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Can that kid be called a pedophile ? considering that he was a child himself ?


No.
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Reply #106 posted 11/21/09 5:50pm

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banks said:

Can that kid be called a pedophile ? considering that he was a child himself ?


No.
So what would it be called then?
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Reply #107 posted 11/21/09 5:54pm

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banks said:

Can that kid be called a pedophile ? considering that he was a child himself ?


No.


Sure he can.

He was well past puberty and the 3 year old had yet to get there. In Michigan the age of consent is 16 which also by Michigan law would allow him to be emancipated and viewed as an adult (or tried as an adult for any type crime).

I could see if the little girl was like 12 or 13 then you would consider it just statutory rape but in this case where the victim is 3....that's outright pedophilia.
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Reply #108 posted 11/21/09 6:57pm

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mcmeekle said:

Why strip him naked?

...so he could rape HIM, before killing him. I'm sure there's more to this story than ever made the light of day.


There is damn sure more to this story than what's being reported. I'm apalled at the way people are rushing to judgement without having more facts. Did the boy have troubled history or was this out of character? What about the dad?

This so called father's response to the incident is just as sick and twisted as what his son did. I'm trying to piece together the different reports...


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So apparently, the mother of the three year old told the boy's mother about him lying on top of his little sister and he admitted it? It's already been established that there was inappropriate contact, but no rape. Then the mother, (who I suspect knew he would explode) calls the dad. He comes over and beats the kid, then for some sick reason strips him naked? Then shoots him down like a dog in public? And drives away like it's no big deal?

I can understand being mad enough to hurt him for doing something so heinous to his own sister, but beyond that what this man did was abominable. Why not have him locked up and treated? Treatment for someone as young as 15 could be successful.

It's possible that these are two are shitty parents and may be the main cause of the boy's troubled behavior in the first place. I get the impression that they're are hiding something.
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Reply #109 posted 11/21/09 7:00pm

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PDogz said:


...so he could rape HIM, before killing him. I'm sure there's more to this story than ever made the light of day.


There is damn sure more to this story than what's being reported. I'm apalled at the way people are rushing to judgement without having more facts. Did the boy have troubled history or was this out of character? What about the dad?

This so called father's response to the incident is just as sick and twisted as what his son did. I'm trying to piece together the different reports...


http://www.crimenews2000....end.2015.3

So apparently, the mother of the three year old told the boy's mother about him lying on top of his little sister and he admitted it? It's already been established that there was inappropriate contact, but no rape. Then the mother, (who I suspect knew he would explode) calls the dad. He comes over and beats the kid, then for some sick reason strips him naked? Then shoots him down like a dog in public? And drives away like it's no big deal?

I can understand being mad enough to hurt him for doing something so heinous to his own sister, but beyond that what this man did was abominable. Why not have him locked up and treated? Treatment for someone as young as 15 could be successful.

It's possible that these are two are shitty parents and may be the main cause of the boy's troubled behavior in the first place. I get the impression that they're are hiding something.



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Reply #110 posted 11/21/09 8:18pm

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JudasLChrist said:

banks said:

Can that kid be called a pedophile ? considering that he was a child himself ?


No.

Of course a minor can be called a pedophile. Pedophilia isn't age differentiated. But I alleged incident does not a pedophile make. Does it?
A child can certainly be a child molester . . . .
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Reply #111 posted 11/21/09 8:19pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

JudasLChrist said:



No.


Sure he can.

He was well past puberty and the 3 year old had yet to get there. In Michigan the age of consent is 16 which also by Michigan law would allow him to be emancipated and viewed as an adult (or tried as an adult for any type crime).

I could see if the little girl was like 12 or 13 then you would consider it just statutory rape but in this case where the victim is 3....that's outright pedophilia.


That's stupid. A kid touching another kid is not pedophilia.
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Reply #112 posted 11/21/09 8:28pm

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JudasLChrist said:

DesireeNevermind said:



Sure he can.

He was well past puberty and the 3 year old had yet to get there. In Michigan the age of consent is 16 which also by Michigan law would allow him to be emancipated and viewed as an adult (or tried as an adult for any type crime).

I could see if the little girl was like 12 or 13 then you would consider it just statutory rape but in this case where the victim is 3....that's outright pedophilia.


That's stupid. A kid touching another kid is not pedophilia.


it is pedophila if the victim is a baby and the perp is one year away from legal adulthood.

Definition of Pedophilia:

The term pedophilia (or paedophilia) has a range of definitions as found in psychiatry, psychology, law enforcement, and the vernacular. As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.
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babynoz said:

It's possible that these are two are shitty parents and may be the main cause of the boy's troubled behavior in the first place. I get the impression that they're are hiding something.

nod ...and the possibility of this boy EVER telling his side of the story needed to be eliminated!
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Reply #114 posted 11/21/09 11:08pm

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I haven't read everyone's responses but How could that mother sit there and
1 Watch her son get beaten up
2 Watch her son strip naked
3 Not get in front of that bullet

This is so sad,

Some people do not deserve to have children.


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Reply #115 posted 11/21/09 11:28pm

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That boy needed a hero in that family, a mentor. Instead, what he got was a bullet in the back of the head! When I was a young boy, my older sister and I used to play "King of The Hill", where we would wrestle each other on the bed, each one trying to throw the other into the floor and thus becoming "King of The Hill". I'm just glad I didn't have some twisted fuck of a relative walk in on us while we were having fun, I might not be here today! (...not saying that was the case here, but who knows... now?)
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Reply #116 posted 11/21/09 11:44pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

JudasLChrist said:



That's stupid. A kid touching another kid is not pedophilia.


it is pedophila if the victim is a baby and the perp is one year away from legal adulthood.

Definition of Pedophilia:

The term pedophilia (or paedophilia) has a range of definitions as found in psychiatry, psychology, law enforcement, and the vernacular. As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.


My father is a specialist in adolescent male sexual abuse and clergy abuse. I know what the appropriate terminology is. But one sexual interaction with a 3 year old by a 14 year old does not a pedophile make. Kids transgress all kinds of boundries until they learn better. Sounds like this kid new he did something wrong and told his mother. Pedophiles are adults by definition and they don't often admit to doing wrong, that's why you get people like Michael Jackson (technically an 'ephebophile')who says obscufant things like "I could never hurt a child". Basically Michael was stating that he didn't believe that the sexual relationship he had with the boy was harmful to him. He was unable to see himself as a perpetrator of abuse. This boy sounded like he had more awareness than a perp, and it also seems like he did anything to the child that actually harmed her physically.
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Reply #117 posted 11/23/09 8:20am

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JudasLChrist said:

DesireeNevermind said:



it is pedophila if the victim is a baby and the perp is one year away from legal adulthood.

Definition of Pedophilia:

The term pedophilia (or paedophilia) has a range of definitions as found in psychiatry, psychology, law enforcement, and the vernacular. As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.


My father is a specialist in adolescent male sexual abuse and clergy abuse. I know what the appropriate terminology is. But one sexual interaction with a 3 year old by a 14 year old does not a pedophile make. Kids transgress all kinds of boundries until they learn better. Sounds like this kid new he did something wrong and told his mother. Pedophiles are adults by definition and they don't often admit to doing wrong, that's why you get people like Michael Jackson (technically an 'ephebophile')who says obscufant things like "I could never hurt a child". Basically Michael was stating that he didn't believe that the sexual relationship he had with the boy was harmful to him. He was unable to see himself as a perpetrator of abuse. This boy sounded like he had more awareness than a perp, and it also seems like he did anything to the child that actually harmed her physically.


She's definitely harmed now. Psychologically.
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Reply #118 posted 11/23/09 10:00am

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I don't know what exactly this kid did to the 3 year old and it scares me that it could be exagerated to the authorities to help the dad get off serving time.
It suprises me that some in this society think that maybe the dad was right and meanwhile celebrities are coming to the defense of Roman Polansky who clearly sodomized a 13 year old girl.
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Reply #119 posted 11/23/09 10:21am

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PDogz said:

I don't believe the Mom was so innocent in all this. She may have even lied on that boy. She was probably enraged that the boys Dad was living across town with another "family", leaving her jilted & scorned with a son that she probably had little love for, and who at 15 was probably out of her control.

Mom would have known that Dad had a temper, and I'm sure she would have also known he had a gun. Mom probably figured, I'll just call this boys no-good father up, drop a lying dime on his ass (...something that was sure to make Dad good and mad; like his new baby girl -with that no-good bitch of a new wife- being molested), and Dad will come over here and take care of this boy but GOOD.

I'll seriously bet you this Mom orchestrated this whole shit. Because if the son honestly molested his little sister, Mom could/should have called the Police, had the girl taken to a Doctor, and followed up from there. Instead, she set that boy up (whom I'm sure she would have had issues with) to be killed. And the icing on the cake is two-fold. The mother of the girl (and wife of HER ex-husband) gets her marriage ripped apart, and Dad gets to go to prison for murdering his son, to boot. And she gets to sit back looking like a helpless victim - free to get her freak-on all over again.

Good work Mom! rolleyes


People are going to view this with outrage and disbelief but oh how easily something like this can happen in our society. neutral neutral neutral
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