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Reply #30 posted 11/18/09 10:11am

Mach

Ottensen said:

Mach said:

Damn - I LOVE her ... pout





Gurrl, who is that?confuse

I haven't had a chance to check out these dance shows so I don't know who is what lol



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Reply #31 posted 11/18/09 10:12am

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Neither was I. She has actually moved me to tears with her choreography.



Okay. Can I say how much I dislike that choreographer with the stupid pink giant headphonese. WTF. I really don't like her choregraphy either.

Mandy Moore?
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Reply #32 posted 11/18/09 10:12am

Mach

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Graycap23 said:


I was not pleased when she said she was moving on.....but I do understand.



Neither was I. She has actually moved me to tears with her choreography.


nod Me too
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Reply #33 posted 11/18/09 10:13am

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I don't understand why they use choreographers to create dances for the dancers. IMO what makes shows like DWTS and ABDC more competitive is that each team has to come up with their own dance, sometimes 2 per week, within certain parameters, styles, or challenges.

As a former dancer, I KNOW how difficult that is. Anyone who's a halfway decent dancer can learn a fully designed routine and execute it, but creating it while learning is really stressful and a test of real talent IMO. Plus the choreographers don't create for every show so they have tons of time to create something. Where's the challenge in that? Needless to say I'm not a fan of this one. lol


The challenge i believe is to see how well these dancers adapt to the diffrent styles of dance... you can't expect a Tap Dancer or a Ballet dancer to come up with a hot Hip Hop routine without some help
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Reply #34 posted 11/18/09 10:14am

Graycap23

Mach said:

MIGUELGOMEZ said:




Neither was I. She has actually moved me to tears with her choreography.


nod Me too

Tavis from 3 seasons ago is pretty good as well.
He is giving Mia a run 4 her $. Lately the best routines have come from him.
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Reply #35 posted 11/18/09 10:17am

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On top of what you said, I often feel that if a choreographer creates something lousy and the dancers have to dance it anyway they get penalized for a lousy routine when it wasn't their concept to begin with... not right IMO confused

True dat! highfive

One of the few eps I watched that Sparks dude that's a judge on ABDC choreo some bullSHIT. Even during rehearsals I was like, "That's some busted ass shit!" disbelief

Of course they had to perform it, and were torn up by the judges.

Last week on DWTS, Miya's partner was having major problems incorporating a 70s theme into their Samba and you saw the struggle, conflict and doubt in the process. So when they killed it in the performance you got a real appreciation for how far they'd come. That's what makes it so interesting IMO.

Plus, that futuristic paso doble that Derek Hough came up with is prolly one of the best pieces of choreography I've seen on that show. Which says a lot considering that he just had swine flu and had to come up with two dances for that show. clapping



i love you, but that futuristic was meh neutral


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Reply #36 posted 11/18/09 10:17am

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Mach said:

Ottensen said:



Gurrl, who is that?confuse

I haven't had a chance to check out these dance shows so I don't know who is what lol




This is the chick that Janet invited to perform with her in her MJ tribute for the MTV awards and they said it was her "first dancing gig." I thought "Now, that's different" whofarted
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Reply #37 posted 11/18/09 10:18am

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One of my all time favorite numbers...

A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon
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Reply #38 posted 11/18/09 10:22am

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banks said:

SCNDLS said:

I don't understand why they use choreographers to create dances for the dancers. IMO what makes shows like DWTS and ABDC more competitive is that each team has to come up with their own dance, sometimes 2 per week, within certain parameters, styles, or challenges.

As a former dancer, I KNOW how difficult that is. Anyone who's a halfway decent dancer can learn a fully designed routine and execute it, but creating it while learning is really stressful and a test of real talent IMO. Plus the choreographers don't create for every show so they have tons of time to create something. Where's the challenge in that? Needless to say I'm not a fan of this one. lol


The challenge i believe is to see how well these dancers adapt to the diffrent styles of dance... you can't expect a Tap Dancer or a Ballet dancer to come up with a hot Hip Hop routine without some help

On ABDC they are mostly b-boys but each week they are challenged to create new dances incorporating varying genres and they aren't what I'd call professional dancers.

A couple seasons ago they had some cloggers from Tennessee I believe and they had to adapt drastically each week so you saw real growth from their narrow dance experience. They went pretty far in the competition. The crew that won last season was a Puerto Rican salsa/modern dance troupe and they had to do a LOT of adapting and still won. shrug
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Reply #39 posted 11/18/09 10:23am

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One of my all time favorite numbers...


this piece made me cry because of dream of my mom...and i wake up thinking she's still here. sad
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Reply #40 posted 11/18/09 10:25am

Graycap23

I assure u none of those other dance shows can TOUCH this:





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Reply #41 posted 11/18/09 10:26am

Mach

RenHoek said:

One of my all time favorite numbers...



The piece she dedicated to her friend who was going through breast cancer was amazing as well
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Reply #42 posted 11/18/09 10:27am

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banks said:



The challenge i believe is to see how well these dancers adapt to the diffrent styles of dance... you can't expect a Tap Dancer or a Ballet dancer to come up with a hot Hip Hop routine without some help

On ABDC they are mostly b-boys but each week they are challenged to create new dances incorporating varying genres and they aren't what I'd call professional dancers.

A couple seasons ago they had some cloggers from Tennessee I believe and they had to adapt drastically each week so you saw real growth from their narrow dance experience. They went pretty far in the competition. The crew that won last season was a Puerto Rican salsa/modern dance troupe and they had to do a LOT of adapting and still won. shrug


I like the ABDC , but it seemed to me that they do their own style of dance every weeek and just have to incorporate the dance challenge in to their own style of dancing
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Reply #43 posted 11/18/09 10:28am

Mach

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I assure u none of those other dance shows can TOUCH this:


nod that was SO much FUN !! razz
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Reply #44 posted 11/18/09 10:29am

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I so want to go to a try out! I would make the wost audition ever!

I almost went to an American Idol try out but I found out that they are multi day process. (some are 4 or 5 days). You go on the first day and you may not get to sing, so you get a number and come back, then there may be a 3nd day of round and then 1 or 2 days of singing for the the judges. I was like FORGET that! I am not coming back here for all that!
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Reply #45 posted 11/18/09 10:30am

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banks said:

SCNDLS said:


On ABDC they are mostly b-boys but each week they are challenged to create new dances incorporating varying genres and they aren't what I'd call professional dancers.

A couple seasons ago they had some cloggers from Tennessee I believe and they had to adapt drastically each week so you saw real growth from their narrow dance experience. They went pretty far in the competition. The crew that won last season was a Puerto Rican salsa/modern dance troupe and they had to do a LOT of adapting and still won. shrug


I like the ABDC , but it seemed to me that they do their own style of dance every weeek and just have to incorporate the dance challenge in to their own style of dancing

Yeah, most do that, but I still think it's more challenging because they are choreo'ing 1 or 2 new routines, for 4-8 people, within the context of a challenge EVERY week. That's a lot less rehearsal time than someone coming in and teaching you a ready-made routine for a whole week. If you can't master a 2-minute dance with 7 days of rehearsal time you got issues.
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Reply #46 posted 11/18/09 10:40am

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I assure u none of those other dance shows can TOUCH this:





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Absolutely wonderful performance clapping But I wouldn't expect anything less from semi-professional dancers who have the advantage of a world-renowned choreographer and a whole week to rehearse a 1:43 dance. thumbs up!

I'm not questioning how entertaining some of the performances are, I'm just saying that I don't really see the competition aspect of it shrug
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Reply #47 posted 11/18/09 10:45am

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Mach said:

Damn - I LOVE her ... pout




eek This must be an old ass pic cuz she did not look like that rehearsing with Janet an nem. lol
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Reply #48 posted 11/18/09 10:48am

Graycap23

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If you can't master a 2-minute dance with 7 days of rehearsal time you got issues.
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U can't be serious.
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Reply #49 posted 11/18/09 10:59am

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Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:

If you can't master a 2-minute dance with 7 days of rehearsal time you got issues.
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U can't be serious.

lol Ummm, yeah, if you're a dancer who's been dancing for years, most definitely, regardless of genre. How much rehearsal time do you think most videos with several dancers have??? Usually 1-2 days MAX. Even in dance classes you learn a routine and pretty much master it by the end of a 2 hour class, especially one this short. And this was even when I was in high school. These are great dancers, with a great choreographer, and a week rehearsal time, so, I still don't see the big challenge here. shrug
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Reply #50 posted 11/18/09 11:02am

Graycap23

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:


U can't be serious.

lol Ummm, yeah, if you're a dancer who's been dancing for years, most definitely, regardless of genre. How much rehearsal time do you think most videos with several dancers have??? Usually 1-2 days MAX. Even in dance classes you learn a routine and pretty much master it by the end of a 2 hour class, especially one this short. And this was even when I was in high school. These are great dancers, with a great choreographer, and a week rehearsal time, so, I still don't see the big challenge here. shrug

Nonsense.
Most of these people are kids 18 to 22 years old, who have danced in their limited world, and u think they should MASTER a dance style they have never heard of in a week?
Get real.
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Reply #51 posted 11/18/09 11:03am

SCNDLS

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SCNDLS said:


lol Ummm, yeah, if you're a dancer who's been dancing for years, most definitely, regardless of genre. How much rehearsal time do you think most videos with several dancers have??? Usually 1-2 days MAX. Even in dance classes you learn a routine and pretty much master it by the end of a 2 hour class, especially one this short. And this was even when I was in high school. These are great dancers, with a great choreographer, and a week rehearsal time, so, I still don't see the big challenge here. shrug

Nonsense.

lol
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Reply #52 posted 11/18/09 11:09am

Graycap23

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:


U can't be serious.

lol Ummm, yeah, if you're a dancer who's been dancing for years, most definitely, regardless of genre. How much rehearsal time do you think most videos with several dancers have??? . shrug

So u think a hip-hop video is going 2 hire a bunch on none hiphop dnacers 4 their videos? Where is the LOGIC in that?
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Reply #53 posted 11/18/09 11:20am

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Graycap23 said:

SCNDLS said:


lol Ummm, yeah, if you're a dancer who's been dancing for years, most definitely, regardless of genre. How much rehearsal time do you think most videos with several dancers have??? Usually 1-2 days MAX. Even in dance classes you learn a routine and pretty much master it by the end of a 2 hour class, especially one this short. And this was even when I was in high school. These are great dancers, with a great choreographer, and a week rehearsal time, so, I still don't see the big challenge here. shrug

Nonsense.
Most of these people are kids 18 to 22 years old, who have danced in their limited world, and u think they should MASTER a dance style they have never heard of in a week?
Get real.
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I'm being VERY real. I already said I don't watch this show and my response was specifically about the paso doble YOU posted. It's OBVIOUS to me that these kids have prolly been dancing most of their lives, so it wouldn't take them any time at all to pick up a 1:43 routine, 1-2 days at the most, IF that long. Have you ever been to a dance class or competed in dance? hmmm

And genre really does not matter IF you are a skilled dancer because it's the choreo's job to break the dance down to you focusing on the steps and fixing the technique later. If you can dance, you can learn any routine given enough time.
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Reply #54 posted 11/18/09 11:23am

Graycap23

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:


Nonsense.
Most of these people are kids 18 to 22 years old, who have danced in their limited world, and u think they should MASTER a dance style they have never heard of in a week?
Get real.
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I'm being VERY real. I already said I don't watch this show and my response was specifically about the paso doble YOU posted. It's OBVIOUS to me that these kids have prolly been dancing most of their lives, so it wouldn't take them any time at all to pick up a 1:43 routine, 1-2 days at the most, IF that long. Have you ever been to a dance class or competed in dance? hmmm

And genre really does not matter IF you are a skilled dancer because it's the choreo's job to break the dance down to you focusing on the steps and fixing the technique later. If you can dance, you can learn any routine given enough time.
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Since u don't watch the show.....u don't know what u are talking about.
I say that with luv.....
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Reply #55 posted 11/18/09 11:28am

Graycap23

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:


Nonsense.
Most of these people are kids 18 to 22 years old, who have danced in their limited world, and u think they should MASTER a dance style they have never heard of in a week?
Get real.
[Edited 11/18/09 11:04am]

I'm being VERY real. I already said I don't watch this show and my response was specifically about the paso doble YOU posted. It's OBVIOUS to me that these kids have prolly been dancing most of their lives, so it wouldn't take them any time at all to pick up a 1:43 routine, 1-2 days at the most, IF that long. Have you ever been to a dance class or competed in dance? hmmm

And genre really does not matter IF you are a skilled dancer because it's the choreo's job to break the dance down to you focusing on the steps and fixing the technique later. If you can dance, you can learn any routine given enough time.
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So u think a ballerina should be able 2 master this is 6 days?
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Reply #56 posted 11/18/09 11:29am

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I'm being VERY real. I already said I don't watch this show and my response was specifically about the paso doble YOU posted. It's OBVIOUS to me that these kids have prolly been dancing most of their lives, so it wouldn't take them any time at all to pick up a 1:43 routine, 1-2 days at the most, IF that long. Have you ever been to a dance class or competed in dance? hmmm

And genre really does not matter IF you are a skilled dancer because it's the choreo's job to break the dance down to you focusing on the steps and fixing the technique later. If you can dance, you can learn any routine given enough time.
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Since u don't watch the show.....u don't know what u are talking about.
I say that with luv.....

So I take it you have zero dance training. lol

Well, since you watch the show I'm surprised how little you know about these dancers backgrounds, and I say that will all love and Christian kindness. biggrin

Here's some info on the inexperienced "kids" that did that paso doble

Jeanine Mason Who was the youngest winner of this show

Although Mason was born in Miami, Florida, she grew up in a dance-oriented family in Pinecrest, Florida. Mason began her dance training at the age of three[1] in ballet and lyrical, and went on to study jazz, acrobatics, hip-hop, modern, and contemporary dance. However, Mason had to go through four different dance studios before she finally found one that worked for her. Mason later stated that she "...couldn't find a teacher to work with [her] because [she] was just that bad."[1] Yet when she was nine years old, Mason found a mentor in Amanda Tae, the owner of Focal Point Dance Studios, who was impressed by the amount of "discipline and drive"[1] Mason exhibited during the time she studied in Tae's studio. Meanwhile, Mason studied musical theatre in her high school, Ransom Everglades School, and helped choreograph a school production of Thoroughly Modern Millie[1].

Brandon Bryant

Born on July 26, 1989, Brandon is a contemporary dancer from Miami, FL. He began dancing ballet at age 10. Brandon is a graduate of Coral Reef Senior High School and now attends Miami Dade College. Brandon Bryant's most memorable dance experience was performing for Madonna at her daughter's birthday party. After his audition, he impressed Mary Murphy so much that she cried during Vegas Week. By contrast, he didn't get that same reaction from Lil' C or Mia Michaels (although Lil' C changed his opinion of him when he appeared as a judge in week 2 as did Mia in week 4). He was partnered with salsa dancer Janette. Brandon made it all the way to the finale, but finished the competition as the runner-up to winner Jeanine Mason.
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Reply #57 posted 11/18/09 11:32am

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SCNDLS said:


I'm being VERY real. I already said I don't watch this show and my response was specifically about the paso doble YOU posted. It's OBVIOUS to me that these kids have prolly been dancing most of their lives, so it wouldn't take them any time at all to pick up a 1:43 routine, 1-2 days at the most, IF that long. Have you ever been to a dance class or competed in dance? hmmm

And genre really does not matter IF you are a skilled dancer because it's the choreo's job to break the dance down to you focusing on the steps and fixing the technique later. If you can dance, you can learn any routine given enough time.
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So u think a ballerina should be able 2 master this is 6 days?

Chile, you really need to stop. She's not ONLY a ballerina. You're really making this way too easy.

Janette Manrara

Born on November 16, 1983, Janette is a salsa dancer from Miami, Florida. She has never studied salsa formally. She picked it up from her family, who are Cuban. Janette Manrara began performing in musical theater at age 12, and started her formal dance training at 19, studying Ballroom, Ballet, Pointe, Jazz and Hip Hop. Janette currently attends Florida International University. She was originally paired with contemporary dancer Brandon. Like Brandon, Janette made it through Las Vegas week during Season 4, only to be cut during the Top 20 selection. Mia said during Week 7's performance show that Janette was her favorite dancer. She was eliminated week 7 along with Jason Glover. She made it to the top four female dancers. Nigel also praised her by saying that she was his favorite dancer and that they all wanted to see Janette win the competition. She even received the first standing ovation of the season for her tango with Brandon Bryant.
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Reply #58 posted 11/18/09 11:32am

Graycap23

SCNDLS said:

Graycap23 said:


Since u don't watch the show.....u don't know what u are talking about.
I say that with luv.....

So I take it you have zero dance training. lol
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Wrong again but that is NOT the point.
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Reply #59 posted 11/18/09 11:33am

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I'm sorry the show has you snowed Cappy, but MOST dancers are trained in at least 3-4 dance styles, even ballerinas. comfort
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