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PrintableCinnie said: TheBangles said: 'Cause it takes me so long just ta
 figure out what I'm gonna wearrr
our "peak hr" is about 15 minutes...but if any traffic indiscretion happens in that time it (break down/accident) it can cause massive delays.... sometimes a 10 minute trip can take an hour 
if im late for work i usually make up the time in my break.... the shop shuts at 6pm...but im never out the door at 6...usually about 5-10 past. seems that i was busy doing something close to nothing, but different than the day before   | |
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ernestsewell said: Cinnie said: Taking this to heart.
I don't know! It's like... most of the time I am in the parking lot when I am supposed to be at my desk logging in. Like 3 minutes late by the time I walk my ass in the door and get to my floor, etc. What if you walked in one day and your boss called you into his/her office. They say, "I have a question for you." "Sure," you reply. "Who do you think you are?" "Huh?" "What makes you so much more important than everyone else that you can just waste our time by being late?", your boss asks. "Well.....um...," you stammer on. "No really, how did you get so important, that your ego told you it was okay to just waltz in whenever you wanted, even if it's just 3 minutes late? Who do you think you are?" I've heard that conversation go down w/ an employer and a fellow employee. They were lucky to keep their job. The boss wasn't an asshole, he was just right. 8 a.m. means 8 a.m. Not 8:01, not 8:02, not 8:03. It means 8, if not a few minutes before. Think about this: You're 5 minutes late every day. 5x25 = 25 minutes over a week's time. 25 minutes x 4 weeks = 100 minutes in the course of a month (over an hour and a half of tardiness). 100 minutes a month x 12 months. That's 1200 minutes in a year. 1200 minutes = 20 hours. 20 hours is what...just under 3 work days? More like 2.5 full work days at 8 hours a day. Would you randomly just not show up for 2.5 days but still expect that paycheck for the time you gave no excuse, asked for no time off, and gave no one notice of your pending absense? Folks just need to be on time. If a person is on public transport, a boss is sometimes willing to work with a schedule to make sure you get there, and you can make sure you're not late, AND that you can still get out on time when a bus is still running to get you home.  I think that you should arrive at least 5 min. early so that you can prepare yourself for the work day- hang up your coat- put away personal things- have some coffee- finish a phone call- use the restroom, etc- Why should you walk in late and spend 10 min of employers time doing that before you start working?- Not to mention the money involved as you calculated...LOVE HARD. | |
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I guess overall it depends on the expectations of the place of business.
I have punched a clock and people depended on me being there at a certain time (as in someone would have to cover what I would be doing if I were absent) and then I agree, when it's one minute after you're late. Currently I'm salaried it really doesn't matter when I'm at work or not as long as I get my work done. Now, getting my work done means there are core business hours I need to be present for most of the time because I need to collaborate and meet with others in the business. But if I'm an hour late one morning, chances are I'll be making up that hour at the end of the day, or even at home that night. That said, I'm rarely "late". And "late" relies on my own definition of when I usually like to be in the office. It's nice to know I can plan to be later or earlier when I want to. |
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ernestsewell said: Cinnie said: Taking this to heart.
I don't know! It's like... most of the time I am in the parking lot when I am supposed to be at my desk logging in. Like 3 minutes late by the time I walk my ass in the door and get to my floor, etc. What if you walked in one day and your boss called you into his/her office. They say, "I have a question for you." "Sure," you reply. "Who do you think you are?" "Huh?" "What makes you so much more important than everyone else that you can just waste our time by being late?", your boss asks. "Well.....um...," you stammer on. "No really, how did you get so important, that your ego told you it was okay to just waltz in whenever you wanted, even if it's just 3 minutes late? Who do you think you are?" I've heard that conversation go down w/ an employer and a fellow employee. They were lucky to keep their job. The boss wasn't an asshole, he was just right. 8 a.m. means 8 a.m. Not 8:01, not 8:02, not 8:03. It means 8, if not a few minutes before. I know!  I am really lucky I haven't been put on the spot that way.
ernestsewell said: Think about this: You're 5 minutes late every day. 5x25 = 25 minutes over a week's time. 25 minutes x 4 weeks = 100 minutes in the course of a month (over an hour and a half of tardiness). 100 minutes a month x 12 months. That's 1200 minutes in a year. 1200 minutes = 20 hours. 20 hours is what...just under 3 work days? More like 2.5 full work days at 8 hours a day. Would you randomly just not show up for 2.5 days but still expect that paycheck for the time you gave no excuse, asked for no time off, and gave no one notice of your pending absense?
Well it's not like I don't make up the time either. If they really clocked how much time I was there, I would be earning overtime. But that's all besides the point. The point is they (my co-workers) need me there at 8:00.  Actually you weren't even talking about not earning the money were you? It's more the fact that absences have to be approved first. That was a pretty good example!
ernestsewell said: Folks just need to be on time. If a person is on public transport, a boss is sometimes willing to work with a schedule to make sure you get there, and you can make sure you're not late, AND that you can still get out on time when a bus is still running to get you home.
I drive.  That's not even my problem. | |
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ernestsewell said: Think about this: You're 5 minutes late every day. 5x25 = 25 minutes over a week's time. 25 minutes x 4 weeks = 100 minutes in the course of a month (over an hour and a half of tardiness). 100 minutes a month x 12 months. That's 1200 minutes in a year. 1200 minutes = 20 hours. 20 hours is what...just under 3 work days? More like 2.5 full work days at 8 hours a day. Would you randomly just not show up for 2.5 days but still expect that paycheck for the time you gave no excuse, asked for no time off, and gave no one notice of your pending absense? Too bad that doesn't work both ways. How many times does a boss have you doing something - oh it'll just take 5 minutes to drop this off, or it's on your way home - and you don't get paid for all those little minutes that cut into your lunch break or when leaving at 6:05 instead of 6? I think like Carrie and I said, it also depends on work culture. As long as I get my work done and I'm not missing meetings, being a few minutes late doesn't matter. Chances are there are a few times I'll stay a little bit late or get in a few minutes early so it all comes out in the wash, as they say. The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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I'm "late" almost every day. There is no official start time, though the hourly employees start at 7. Which means I should probably be there by 7 as well, since some of them report to me.
However. For the life of me, I can NOT make it there at 7. And if I do, I'm tired all day. There's something about that extra hour, coming in at 8, that changes everything. I work within a small, fairly independent department at the place where I work. I only report to really 2 other people there. Sometimes my boss is late. He doesn't care one way or the other. And the woman who's our boss isn't there until 9 sometimes, if she even comes at all. 
So... I try to be good. I try to get there on time. But if I don't, I don't sweat it. And nobody really gives a damn. Plus, the first half of the year, I was putting in 70-80 hours a week. One Saturday when I was in, the bigger department had to start coming in on weekends, someone said "What are you doing here?" I said "I'm here every Saturday. and most Sundays. what are YOU doing here?" WTF. | |
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errant said: I'm "late" almost every day. There is no official start time, though the hourly employees start at 7. Which means I should probably be there by 7 as well, since some of them report to me.
However. For the life of me, I can NOT make it there at 7. And if I do, I'm tired all day. There's something about that extra hour, coming in at 8, that changes everything. I work within a small, fairly independent department at the place where I work. I only report to really 2 other people there. Sometimes my boss is late. He doesn't care one way or the other. And the woman who's our boss isn't there until 9 sometimes, if she even comes at all.
So... I try to be good. I try to get there on time. But if I don't, I don't sweat it. And nobody really gives a damn. Plus, the first half of the year, I was putting in 70-80 hours a week. One Saturday when I was in, the bigger department had to start coming in on weekends, someone said "What are you doing here?" I said "I'm here every Saturday. and most Sundays. what are YOU doing here?" WTF. I hear ya. I am not a morning person. Nine a.m. is *murder* for me. Luckily my job now has great hours -- I don't have to be there until 10/10:30am!! And I'm usually the first one there!! Today most people in my office rolled in around 1:30pm, normally my boss comes in between 11am and 12pm. So I really don't think me being 5 minutes late here and there is too bad.  The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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Evvy said: At what point are you officially "late" for work?
If you're not where you're supposed to be, ready to work, at the designated time, you're late.  | |
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