An assumption:

The world is a big puzzle that consists of an endless amount of little pieces. We may have found how some of those pieces click and work together, which sometimes, with a little help from our own fantasy and creativity, makes us believe we see a possible larger picture in what we have already found, even if it is still very blurred. We have yet to find the corner pieces of this puzzle, which means that the only thing we can be sure of is that the picture we have now will have to get bigger and bigger before it is finally finished. However, due to the probability of this puzzle consisting of an endless amount of pieces, it is likely, that the pieces we have found so far and put together with others may actually fit in more places just as well; we just do not know these parts of the picture yet.
Preconditioned the number of puzzle pieces is only approaching infinity, there may be more ways to integrate the pieces we have already found, exempt from the final combination being completely free of form and therefore meaningless and, in fact, senseless.
I - speaking with the desperate, searching voice of humanity - hope that our world does not lay in a bewildered combination of endless possibilities so that my life actually become senseless, but I also hope that there are at least enough puzzles and possibilities of their combination for myself to be free and able to choose, able to walk seemingly "senseless" paths that would someday turn out to be just another part of the finished puzzle. As for now we do not know the picture that is not finished and hence call these paths "senseless" and "crazy", because we do not understand them and they do not fit into the picture we have at the moment - even if it still is very blurred.

I assume the key to find more puzzles (and maybe more possible combinations) is not only to search further on scientific, spiritual and social grounds, but mainly to try moving further and more freely within our very own, personal boundaries. Even if they may appear "senseless" and "crazy" today, we might find someone who will facilitate another combination of this strange, unknown puzzle that every single one of us is with that someone tomorrow. We shall walk our own ways, looking for each other, in hope that our ways have a meaning that we cannot bear yet, but will soon discover.



Averto - The beginning - The truth - The overt end.

this is totally why people turn to religion, in hope it will assure them that there is more to life than just chaos, assuming that life without purpose is not worth living.

Hmmmm. Sounds complicated.

In a nutshell:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...PQ6335puOc

ZombieKitten said:

I'd rather say that people turn to religion because they are not satisfied with what they have reached so far and they are too afraid to stick to themselves and the idea of ultimate freedom of choice and action.

Religion in this case being the safety of narrowing the own horizon by giving everything around you a certain value and a name, including the things you can't see and understand.

I think there is a big, big difference between searching and imprisoning oneself.

Dave1992 said:

also that, religion allows you to believe the path you are on, is predestined, that totally takes the pressure off you given that there are infinite potential paths and variations of your life
the predestined, your "destiny", is the meaning that your life would otherwise not have since it without religion it's all pretty random.

ZombieKitten said:

If something ever is predestined, it's that nothing is. There are so many words to say at different situations, there are so many things that make sense to yourself and only a few other select people (and they don't have to be going to church regularly!), there are so many things that you learn day by day, only to find out how narrow-minded you were the day before.

You are right, this may have a lot to do with religion, but we should distinguish spirituality and simply evolving our natural right and talent to think and fantasise, from letting something/someone completely different control us and our immediate actions.

The latter part is what most people connect with religion nowadays. - Rightly so, although it's quite a pity. Blame church, the drive for money, power and straight, clear orders...

Lawd, I'm turning into a P&R cat.

I hate religion, I totally think life is as random as it can be in our own tiny little day to day lives

ZombieKitten said:

But makes your tiny little day to day life interesiting and fun, doesn't it?
Something about something in this world keeps you living!

You have simply freed yourself from senseless expectations around you, so that your day to day life has its own value for you. I bet you do and say many crazy things that would make people who don't know scratch their heads and question your sanity!


But that's exactly what I'm talking about. Society tries to imprison us by telling us what's right or wrong. Just like church.

Dave1992 said:

me not so much but my mum sure does!

I also think that all this "religion" babble all the people always talk about is something so simple. Too simple.

"A God (you have to capitalise him) who cannot be seen or talked to in person, whom you cannot have sex with and who you can't jam with."

Quite lazy, if you ask me.

Dave1992 said:

It's nothing but allegory and projections of a believer's fear in my opinion.

Now with all the allegory and fables there is a lot of wisdom in most religions but when you actually strip the fables and lessons down to the bare basics, without all of the thees and thous and begats, it really is just a waffled explanation of a logical way to live one's life. The so-called 'truth' and wisdom in religion is really just that....logic. The rest of the myth is pretty much fairy tales to make the story more exciting.

Never assume...it makes an ASS out of U and ME

Exactly, this is not a "puzzle" which has to be solved?

I too grapple with this as an agnostic scientist. Too busy looking to see an answer staring at you?

connorhawke said:

Exactly.

PREDOMINANT said:

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you are trying to say. Elaborate, please.

Dave1992 said:

That might be the perfect word

All up in the but i aint mad at ya.

ZombieKitten said:

yeah...what ever gurl...U think that

Dave1992 said:

tho, many hold the opposite view, that in thier religion there is true freedom and others are the true imprisoned ones.
[Edited 11/10/09 10:49am]

ZombieKitten said:

Religion.....the BIGGEST hoax of them all.

thepope2the9s said:

I see it as a psychological defence mechanism, compared to what many people felt more than 20 years ago in the DDR - just to give a fitting, recent example.
They knew they were not free - not free to go where they wanted, not free to say what they wanted, not free to even think what they wanted. The only possible way out of this situation for a healthy human being to maintain its health is to resign the claim for their definition of freedom and associate the word and "feeling" of freedom with something else, something more accessible. They felt free in their very own safety as long as they had to, which was until they discovered the opportunity for real freedom and some had the urge and the courage to stand up for the freedom they wanted to witness all their lives, but never could.

Some people are "born" into religion and brought up with it, which leads to them knowing no other way to happiness and not even considering any other ways. Others were left with no other option due to struggle, pain and poverty, for example. They thought they might find the answer in something they have not seen yet. If there is nothing positive left on your side, the chance of witnessing something positive increases when you look for the other side. You have nothing to lose.

As already stated, "religion" as we know it, shows us how to live a "good" life. That's why so many people keep on having faith and hope in their beliefs. That's why so many people call it their personal "freedom" - their place of wariness and love. - They know they will not find it anywhere else anymore.

The only reason that so many people involved with what we associate with "religion" are kind of afraid of looking for more, questioning their surroundings and assuming that their "God" and their "religion" - everything that seemed so right all the time - may just be another tiny part of the big puzzle is simply because they have adapted and changed their own way of living and thinking, so that they could be part of this world again, without having to suffer anymore.

Take Platon's cave allegory as an example!

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I beg your pardon?

nyse said:

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing for those who really need it

Cuddles said:

I used to write things like this when I was 17. I grew out of it, fortunately

errant said:

It has nothing to do with growth. Nowadays you have less time on your hands, more things to care about in your every day life. Even if you wanted to, a voice in your head saying "this is silly, I should rather clean the kitchen" would prevent you from going too far away from what you see and feel every day - from what feels safe to you. Read my last post.

Dave1992 said:

actually, it isn't that there's less time as you get older because you're doing those things. it's that you realize when you get older that those things you are doing are the real life version of what you were longing for and angsting about at 17. they're the little pieces to the puzzles, but you're lving them day to day.

that's all there is. the little stuff you need to do. the little stuff you occupy your day with. that may be depressing in some respects, but it's beautiful in another.