nyse said:

i'm saying bro some people...

Rightly said:

Hope you have better luck in your situation than I have so far. Looking after a kid is no small feat.

Thanks for the song recommendation. I smiled.

fielder said:

I'm happy and I'm healthy, I'm just broke. And unless you're under the impression that for some of us our days are only a few hours long, I fail to see how you can assume any of us are spending all our time online.

Genesia said:

Just because a person displays the remarkable talent of being kin through blood or through marriage does not mean they deserve a job more than anyone else, Daddy's company or not.

Cinnie said:

Thanks.

meow85 said:

Yeah, well...one thing Daddy could be sure of by hiring his daughters. He wouldn't have an employee with your craptacular attitude.

Genesia said:

Naw, he'd have one with the stellar job skill of genetics instead of talent, skill, or merit. His loss.

meow85 said:

Something tells me that someone with "talent, skill or merit" would...ya know...actually be able to get (and keep) a job. Something my sisters and I have all done.

Unlike you.

Wow, why is there all this negativity on this thread all of a sudden? Looks like people love to assume that people who currently are unemployed because of their skills or talent, or that they are lazy...which is not so in most cases. I've seen plenty of good people who are talented get laid off and are currently looking for jobs now. I guess its easier for people who "have it made" to judge and look down upon others who are trying to make it when they aren't worried about their current financial situation.

I'm glad you get it missfee.

I'm still in debt and hate work so much though it's only on a casual basis. Mostly, I've been hiding this fall not doing anything and I feel like I'm unworthy of living all the time

I know where you're all coming from. Life's a biatch and then you die

I left Uni 5 years ago with a degree in Education - couldn't get a job as I didn't have "enough experience". Sooooo i just worked voluntary lived off zilch - well just my tiny pittance of savings, I sold my car and got a bus to work and stopped feeling sorry for myself.

I eventually got offered a job on a temp basis in a school, but then met my hubby and had 2 gorgeous boys - I had to leave my job as we had to follow his job (which paid more) Then he got made redundant, but got a payout so we thought we'd plough it all into a pub business. We have now been running our own pub business for 15 months and it's sooooo frickin' tough and we work our socks off. Haven't had a day off in 15 months and trying to bring up 2 young boys increases the pressure. On my days when I wasn't working in the pub I worked voluntary in a school to use my degree and in 2011 am going to train to be a teacher.

You just have to be get out there and not expect everything to fall into your lap. I still have all my debts from Uni and more but I won't let them worry me, there is no point wasting your time fretting about them, you've got to get a job and just pay them off - simple as! That's what everyone else has to do

MP3 said:

impressive post. keep up the fight!

The sad part is, I'm not in debt from school, I spent so much money this summer on my credit cards. Last year I was working in the area I studied, but was being bullied and growing depressed and anxious and finally left full time. Then it didn't help that mj died, though I don't cry over that anymore. I was in therapy for my depression and felt it wasn't working and I'm on anit depressants now and feeling like a loser. No jobs that are listed are good enough for me, maybe I'm not good enough for them. I feel extremely retarded, incapable, unworthy, and though I'm afraid of death, I feel like it's the only way out. I know my family loves me so I won't do anything stupid, but sometimes I just don't know what to do with myself anymore, and it's getting harder and harder to leave the house and I'm slowly losing touch with my friends and feel disconnected.

alphastreet said:

Instead of focusing on the negative things, tell us what you do have. You have some qualifications right? You said you had a job, but other people made you quit, don't let them do that to you - or have a rant back at them, then you'll feel better.

MJ dying was sad, but did u know him personally? Put a few of his tunes on - that will make you feel better

Writing that you feel retared and incapable will only make you think you are, so you should write on here that you are intelligent, very capable and you are not going to let cretins make you feel shit anymore. Look after number one - ie yourself!

Go for a night out with your mates to get out the house, if you feel sorry for yourself, yourself will be sorry.

Snap out of it now before you do anything crazy.

Rightly said:

Thanks - oh I will

Genesia said:

You are a class act, Genesia, as always.

missfee said:

There's a certain someone in this thread who gets her jollies off being negative and condescending. 3 guesses.

I'm glad you get it though. It's tough to get, or keep, any job right now, let alone a good one. I know people with Master's degrees slinging coffee at Starbucks for minimum wage because that's all they could get. I know people who've worked the same job for 20 years and have gotten laid off and have to start right over completely. I know people who work in offices who've suddenly found their salaries sliced and had to pick up fast food jobs to make ends meet. It's not easy right now for a lot of people.

MP3 said:

Glad things are working out for you, even if it is tough.

I'm thinking of changing my tactics and taking up a degree in general nursing or teaching instead of what I had planned to do, because even with government cutbacks there's always opportunities in education or health care.

meow85 said:

You are absolutely right. Most people have been unfairly laid off for the same reason: the economy. Some have kids even and worry themselves sick about finding a job. The ones who do have jobs are stressed to the core because mgmt are acting like dickheads...and on top of that, they aren't offering any kind raises (but are somehow upper mgmt gets their raises ) no kind of one time bonuses, but want you to work like a dog on the poor salary they are paying you right now. I talked to one of my friends today and she said that she had to accept a paycut as well as take her husband off her insurance plan because if she didn't, she wouldn't be able to pay her bills and support their two sons. Mind you her husband got laid off earlier this year. It's really terrible out here. The real deal.

missfee said:

In this province the minimum wage has remained frozen for 10 years, while the cost of living keeps on going up and up and up. The government claims they've got no money to increase the minimum wage and that it would be bad for the economy anyways but not too long ago the Premier voted himself a 53% pay raise.

meow85 said:

Yeah, it especially makes me sick while people are either looking for better jobs, or a job period, you got non singing heifers on the television singing about $1000 Louboutin shoes. Sure they look hot, but when you are living in a financially tight situation, where you scraping up money for gas and groceries, you really don't want to be hearing some broad bragging about designer shoes.

missfee said:

If I hadn't already quit listening to mainstream music ages ago, that'd be enough to make me stop tuning in. I don't need to hear about Jimmy Choos and Ultralash (who snuck that in there? ) expensive toys when I've been eating plain rice for the fourth day in a row.

MP3 said:

That's a good idea about planning something with friends. A few did call me up today to see how I'm doing and mentioned getting together. As for the job I had, I didn't like the type of work I was doing anyways, which is why I quit. And every time I did work, I was spoken to about my writing, about it being too messy, or not writing a letter right and stuff like that. I don't really like what I studied. My mom keeps telling me she loves me, so I know I'm valued, but at the same time I feel so lost and guilty all the time for being a waste. I used to be really strong, but I've grown so weak and I don't know how it started anymore.

missfee said:

Please don't misunderstand. I don't assume, for one minute, that everyone who is unemployed is in that state of their own doing. I have been laid off more than once due to economic downturns. (Not recently, fortunately - but I don't take anything for granted.) It sucks.

It must be acknowledged, however, that there are some who simply refuse to play the game. Who think they are entitled to call the tune when they aren't the one paying the piper. They think they're smarter than the boss, that they have all the answers, and that no one can teach them anything. And they think people who do play the game and succeed got where they are as a result of nepotism or other favoritism, rather than as a result of talent and hard work.

Believe me, that is every bit as negative, unfair and untrue as anything else that has been said here.

Genesia said:

Okay I agree with you on the part about people who think they know it all and don't want to be trained, but expect a handout, etc. but the part about the people "who know how to play the game"..could you elaborate a little more on that?
Because I see it as if I apply for a position that I know I'm qualified for, experience and educational wise, yet I get passed over because the boss rather employs his talentless son instead, yeah I have a problem with that. It does in fact happen, but its absolutely unfair. Now if the relative is hard working, qualified, and able to do the job, then so be it, thats not my issue. People are supposed to apply for a job that they think they qualify for and the employer is supposed to review the qualifications of candidates unbiased. There's a difference between networking for the position and just hiring a family member because they are your relative for the job even though they aren't qualified.

meow85 said:

You really think a few hours a day on a Prince website is going to lead to anything productive happening in your life )

fielder said:

It's cute that you assume all my online time is devoted to Prince just because that's how you roll.

missfee said:

Okay, first of all, I didn't say anything about people knowing how to play the game. I said there are people who refuse to play the game. Big difference.

The game consists, very simply, of playing by the rules as you find them. If the employer has a dress code, for example, you honor it. You don't make a stink about it and whine that you can't flaunt your 27 facial piercings at the office. Get there on time. Do what you're asked to do. Or...better yet...do more than you're asked to do. Businesses don't have the time or resources to grease squeaky wheels anymore. They just throw them out and get new wheels.

I'm going to give you the most valuable piece of advice I know: Life isn't fair. Get over it. There are any number of reasons an employer might hire someone else over you. None of them matter. If you didn't get the job, take inventory to make sure it wasn't because of anything you did or said, and then move on. Don't waste your energy on things you can't control.

Don't get who you are mixed up with what you do. If you identify too strongly with your profession, you're going to be in a world of hurt if you suddenly find you can't do it anymore (for whatever reason). I had an identity crisis when my first career ended when I was 25 - because I had confused who I was with what I did. I never let it happen again, but it was a very rough year.

For a lot of people I know, their 20s were the hardest decade. You're still trying to figure out a lot of stuff and it's terribly draining. It will get better.

Yeah, I know Iam. If you dont know what you want to do in life, then its tough.

Genesia said:

Well I have been in a position where I did more than what was in my job description, the problem was that people who were doing 50% less than what I did were somehow getting these "mysterious" raises by sucking up to the boss, but I didn't. I took initiative and instead of mgmt recognizing it, they decide to try and dump more work on me while only paying me my regular salary. I stopped that really quick once I realized what was going on. Won't make that mistake anymore.

Okay I understand where you are coming from a little better now, but you don't have to be so anal about it Isn't there a way to talk to people without being so sarcastic? (thats a rhetorical question, so you don't have to answer it ) Thanks for your point of view, appreciate it.
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