Fauxie said:

ernestsewell said:

Actually its not bullshit, it's a reality for some men. Because all men haven't grown up mentally yet. I've met 50 year olds that act like they are still 15. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings though with the truth.
[Edited 11/7/09 5:41am]

missfee said:

missfee said:

But you didn't say 'some' men. You just said men.
I guess all women are just mature . . . . .?
All men don't kill, nor are all men violent.

Vendetta1 said:

No, what you said is the truth. We all know it is.

JustErin said:

We all know what? That men are more violent than women? Because women can't compete physically. That may restricts female expression of violence but wouldn't mean they were less violent.

missfee said:

It's not about getting feelings hurt, so don't go there w/ that. It's about women having that view of men, not men having it of themselves. It's labeling and it's SO 40 years ago. Women say men are dogs, pigs, babies, or whatever. Men say women are bitches, whores, and "too emotional". It's all bullshit. Men are NOT from Mars, and women are NOT from Venus. (In fact, the guy who wrote that divorced his Venus wife only a few years later.)

SUPRMAN said:

Exactly.

Dayclear said:

Lack of a public sex plan.

JustErin said:

This is true.

SUPRMAN said:

No, I don't mean women get a pass. To eliminate violence we have to figure out what causes it in the first place. What drives people to violent acts? I'm saying I think we should look at women and men separately when it comes to what causes them to become violent in the first place, as I think it's likely very different overall.

If anything, men get a pass. All the time. Men are expected to be violent. Boys will be boys after all.

I feel violent and stressed and I am a female
*checks genitals*

I am a female!

CarrieMpls said:

Like women are expected to do housework?
Men do not get a pass. Read this thread . . . .
What causes violence is that it has proven to be an effective means of imposing one's will upon others through the actual violence or the threat of it.
I don't think women are somehow less capable of violence, but for women, there is less to be gained by violence than by other means. To me, that is the biggest reason women aren't violent.
And if men are 'expected' to be violent, well isn't that a cultural issue since we are raising them with than mentality and expectation?

Women are raised with the expectation that they can secure and keep a man, and violence really doesn't help with that.

SUPRMAN said:

If you're gonna go back that far, women couldn't have much of a life if they didn't have a man taking care of them, financially at least. Their practical choices in career were maid or prostitute. I'd probably look for someone to take care of me as well. And condidering violence in men is accepted socially, women are no more responsible than men for letting the world go on as effed up as it is. If anything they are less so, as we have never, ever, ever been in the people in power.

I do think women need to rise up and change the world, though. It's a shame we haven't already.

SUPRMAN said:

There are MILLIONS of examples where men get a pass. All the time! I'm not talking just murder, but beating each other up, war, death penalty, all kinds of stuff.

And you're right, it absolutely is a cultural issue. We are ALL to blame for fostering that kind of culture. I just don't think society is ready to take on that responsibility.

Harlepolis said:

Yeah, when some do this: , but that's when he should walk away.

CarrieMpls said:

Of course women have. Joan of Arc? Margaret Thatcher, Nancy Reagan ( ) Queen Isabella of Spain, Queen Elizabeth of England, Catherine the Great of Russia . . . .Plenty examples of women being the person in power. More of women being the power behind the man in power (Nancy Reagan.)

Dayclear said:

"The American ideal of masculinity has created cowboys and Indians, good guys and bad guys, punks and studs, tough guys and softies, butch and faggot, black and white. It is an ideal so paralytically infantile that it is virtually forbidden -- as an unpatriotic act -- that the American boy evolves into the complexity of manhood."

~ James Baldwin

SUPRMAN said:

And while each of those women were in power, how many other world leaders were women?



I'm not saying no woman has ever been in a position of power.

angel345 said:

Of course, HE has to walk away . . . .
Whatever she says just has to be allowed because she's a female . . .. (BS)

CarrieMpls said:

That is what you said though.

" as we have never, ever, ever been in the people in power. "

SUPRMAN said:

So I stated it poorly. The point still stands. Women are less so responsible for violence in the world.

CarrieMpls said:

How can they be less responsible? Aren't they having and raising all these violent men?!!!

SUPRMAN said:

really? you're gonna blame it on your mom?

CarrieMpls said:

I am not violent, so that wouldn't apply to her.
So women AREN'T raising these men who grow up to be violent? Who is?

NDRU said:

and she was welsh

Aren't we talking about the people who act on their violent natures? WHO CARES if women are more violent or just as violent if they are not acting on it?

As far as women raising violent men, why are the fathers not also mentioned in that? AND at what point does a man, or woman for that matter, get to take responsibility for their own actions? Hell I got pregnant at 17. Was that my mother's fault? Hell no.

Vendetta1 said: