ernestsewell said:

Hot.

fall back asleep for an hour!

ernestsewell said:

Wow - you really are devoid of self-awareness, aren't you?

Genesia said:

LOL You're cute.

It's pretty easy to pass judgment on a stranger, isn't it? Calling them out as unself-aware, or whatever else goes through your head. It's a bit of hypocrisy though, isn't it? If someone says BOO to you, you'd get in a snit about it, but if you call someone else a name...it's okay.

But hey, whatever helps ya sleep at night. If you wish to think you're better, more self-aware, or whatever, than someone else to keep your own awareness at bay, then I can't stop you. It's cute that you have your own brand of social and cyber justice. I tried to keep it civil by telling you I was just making conversation. When you got called out about being nasty, you imposed your cyber justice, and this was going so well until.....well, YOU did that.

You should trademark your bitchiness or something. You could sell t-shirts.

ernestsewell said:

Do you hear yourself? The crap you're spouting at me is the same shit you fling at countless other people on this board.

I took issue with something you said to me. It is my right to do that. (If I don't defend myself against a bully like you, who will?) It has nothing to do with "delivering cyber justice," as you put it. I am not defending someone else, nor were my comments unprovoked.

ernestsewell said:

I can be a hell of a bitch myself but you have a lot of damn nerve for this post. That is ALL you do here. Usually I don't give a damn what you say. I just ignore it because I personally don't want to be on the end of one of your nasty rants but damn, can you actually not see this about yourself? Really? Really?

Vendetta1 said:

I didn't want to get involved but you took the words right out of my mouth You know what? Fuck it, I'm making those words my signature for a while...
[Edited 10/31/09 14:25pm]

bsk3601 said:

lol its like alt.music.prince all over again...again

sonic said:

6pm? Consider yourself lucky. Soon it'll be dark here by 4pm.

I fucking hate this bullshit, the farmers really don't rule the world. Edit: It seems some americans actually think the Congress is doing this just for the hell of it... so, here's why it was created in the first place: It was done to facilitate things for farmers, giving them the extra hour of daylight when they needed it. In the winter, the non vegetative phase, there's no "need" for there to be daylight longer in the day, but in the spring/summer there was. This was when farming was one of the most important parts of life, whereas today it's not and it fucks people up too. So it's just dumb to keep it.
[Edited 10/31/09 15:11pm]

Teacher said:

That's true, but when daylight savings time was first implemented, it took effect during the last weekend of April to accommodate the planting of the crops and ended on the last weekend of October after the harvest. Then sometime during the 80's, Congress extended DST to end after the first weekend in November, and during the 90's they extended it again by starting it on the first weekend of April, but the reason this time was that it helped save energy. Then in 2007 they extended it again by moving the start date to the second weekend in March. That made absolutely no sense, since farmers don't plant crops that early and the energy savings are negligible. Worse yet, there has been an increase in the number of accidents, auto and otherwise, since DST was extended into March, as most people have some significant difficulty adjusting to the cycle at the beginning of DST.

728huey said:

Good addition I know about the energy saving idea, but I can't figure out how making it darker in the afternoon/evening saves energy, when most people aren't awake early enough in the morning to make up for it.
Here in the EU they have decided to have it like it was in the beginning, end of April and end of October. I still think it sucks since I have SAD.

Mach said:

connorhawke said:

wattle birds

http://www.birdsinbackyar...culata.mp3

728huey said:

No offense but I do not believe that is true. I have heard that all my life too, but, I also spent a few summers on my grandpa's farm and he did not care what time it was. He got up early and was out working before the Sun came up. Why would a farmer care what time it was? I think that is a myth that has gotten accepted by the masses and not questioned. But I think it is just that a myth.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

A 1999 study estimated that DST increases the revenue of the European Union's leisure sector by about 3%. Conversely, DST can adversely affect farmers and others whose hours are set by the sun.

For example, grain harvesting is best done after dew evaporates, so when field hands arrive and leave earlier in summer their labor is less valuable. DST also hurts prime-time broadcast ratings and drive-in and other theaters.

If you had farm hands you would tell them "be here 20 minutes before sunrise." they can check the almanack to see when that was as plan accordingly.

daylight savings time fades the curtains

ughhhhh.....this is torture

Teacher said:

I'm sorry, but that's a myth. I live in a hugely agricultural state and trust me - the farmers would rather leave the clock as it is. Cows can't tell time. They're up (and expect to be fed and milked) at the same time every day - whether it's dark or light out. The "spring ahead" plays havoc on the farm. Though, to be fair, the time change was originally billed as "helping the farmers" by the retailers who wanted it. The farmers themselves lobbied against it.

Retailers (who pushed the bill) wanted to encourage people shop after work. The petroleum industry also supported it, thinking people would go out for pleasure drives in the evening. More recently, it was billed as a way to save energy - which it doesn't.

An excellent book on the subject is Spring Forward: The Annual Madness of Daylight Savings Time by Michael Downing.
[Edited 11/1/09 6:32am]

Genesia said:

Right. I'm sure your state's farmers represent the farmers of decades and decades past, around the entire world.

I think it had more to do with light back in the day...So people could have more light longer in the evening...




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[Edited 11/1/09 6:31am]

Teacher said:

It doesn't matter. Cows need to be milked every 12 hours, regardless of what the clock says. And cow biology hasn't changed since 1918 - when the first DST law was passed.

Farmers in the United States lobbied against the original law. They didn't want it (though the retailers pushing the bill said they did).

If the farmers where you live actually want daylight savings time, more power to them.

tinaz said:

Exactly.

Genesia said:

Keeping dairy cows is the only thing a farmer does, you're absolutely right! It had to do with the crops, not the milking of cows. In some places, an additional hour of daylight means one needed hour more to spend in the field. However, nowadays nobody wants it anymore, as I and several others stated before.

Wow, you realised that in parts of the world one hour more or less daylight actually does matter. Good for you, that means you realised there are other countries than the US. Progress is good!
[Edited 11/1/09 6:52am]

Teacher said:

Yeah, I realize there are other countries in the US.

However, you...a teacher...apparently do not realize that daylight savings time does not create another hour of daylight.

Genesia said:

NOTHING can create another hour of daylight. It has to do with WHERE during the 24 hours that hour is. Are you playing dumb on purpose...again? Why?

Teacher said:

I refer you to your own words, "Wow, you realised that in parts of the world one hour more or less daylight actually did matter."

Of course, an extra hour of daylight matters. But we don't get that. We have the same amount of daylight whether we have daylight savings time or not.

Teacher said:

I missed this before. If we didn't have daylight saving time, farmers would still have the same amount of daylight. They'd just be able to get into their fields earlier because they wouldn't be waiting around for their cows to catch up to the "spring ahead" and wasting daylight in the process.

Genesia said:

Again, it's about where during the cycle the daylight is. Here EVERYBODY hates DST because the wintertime is the "normal" one, and now we're stuck with it getting dark at 5 in the far south and far north the sun doesn't even rise above the horizon for a month. Right now it's dear dark here and it's 4.04 pm, and we've still almost 2 months to go where it will keep getting darker. In that context an hour or daylight in the afternoon would be HUGE, vice versa in the spring.

Teacher said:

DST is also affected by the latitude and longitude of the area you live in as well. Hawaii doesn't observe DST, but because it's out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and is also situated between the Tropic of Cancer and the Equator, the ratio of daylight to night is about equal, so there's always around 12 hours of daylight all year long. Places like Miami and Brownsville, Texas, which are at the far southern end of the continental USA have more of a difference, but it's only about 14 hours of daylight during the summer and 10 hours of daylight in the winter. Subsequently, the further north one goes, the greater the difference is. Chicago gets about 16 hours of daylight at the summer solstice (and only 8 during the winter solstice) while Seattle gets an hour more than Chicago during the summer. Anchorage, Alaska gets 21 hours of daylight during the summer months, and they even have a tradition of playing midnight baseball. (Subsequently, they only get three hours of daylight during the late fall and early winter months, if you want to call it that, because even on a clear day the sun barely rises above the horizon.)

As for longitude, where DST is really screwed up is the arbitrary nature of where the time zones are drawn. Three-quarters of Indiana is listed in the Eastern Time Zone, and during the summer, while the sun goes down at 9:00 pm in Maine, New Hampshire, and Boston, the sun is still shining brightly in Terre Haute, Indiana, which is only 5 miles from the Illinois border, which is in the Central Time Zone, yet Terre Haute is listed in the Eastern Time Zone. That's why for years most of Indiana didn't observe DST, because it was easier for the residents to adjust to being in CST during the summer than awkwardly seeing sunlight at 9:30 at night. However, the Republican governor of Indiana, who was previously a congressman from the eastern part of the state who spent most of his time in Washington, DC, passed a law in 2005 mandating that the rest of the state not already observing DST be required to do so.