Imago said:

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Imago said:

That's a good one. I would think the answer is NO. But even if you don't swallow, some folks don't want toxic ejaculate entering their body.

You ate a whole cheescake for dessert and now I have the sniffles.

JackieBlue said:

Imago said:

I only eat tofu, like, once a week.

But seriously, I think the idea of "purity" isn't realistic. I guess it goes back to the philosphy of every choice (towards the ideal) counts. One can never be perfect and there are no black and whites, it's all grey. This reminds me of the washing something to be recycled question. To me washing something isn't wasted water. Sure, we should cut down on our water use, but ultimately, it's necessary to wash something for it to be reused OR recycled.
I am OK with this.

CarrieMpls said:

exactly, it's moving toward the best choices. Recycling is better than throwing away, not as good as re-using, which is not as good as never buying in the first place!

But recycling is so much better than throwing away, that it's still a good choice. Just as throwing away is better than littering. It's all relative.

NDRU said:

NDRU said:

Great. I'm already humming this.

Imago said:

Would they, or any of my posts in P&R, ever be taken any other way?

I didn't backtrack at all. In the spirit of the last sentence of my previous post, there isn't anything or anyone that depends upon my opinion on the subject, even that it be given at all. It's entirely personal and requires no justification to anybody else. We like to hear ourselves type. To do so, and to go beyond simply answering the main question in this thread, is ultimately only 'casual amusement'. It's not important, but it might be fun.

Imago said:

When I saw that picture my first thought was 'I'm untagging myself from that shit!'

Imago said:

I keep thinking Carrie is posting out of character. I think you're besmirching her image!

no offense, but who are you validate what is real vegetarian/veganism is?

the main the point of vegetarian and veganism is that of health life style choice and the process of not eating animal flesh. I take a bit of an offense, because our subculture tends to criticize those who don't follow our norms. then we create these other rules like: your not a vegetarian/vegan if you wear leather, your not a vegetarian/vegan if you drink coke, etc. that is the part i dislike most of vegetarians/vegan(btw, i am a vegetarian!)
people should be free to decide how to live their life, not by some code of ethics.

i feel personally ,if you're a vegan/vegetarian and your happy! thats cool! if your a pesctarian/pollotarian thats cool too! it your decision if you want to become fully veg, if you don't then you don't that is cool as well to.

seriously, we have to get rid of these high school mentality.
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baroque said:

I'm not being high school. I'm being elitist and judgmental.

There are nuances!

Imago said:

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

This is one of the most ridiculous threads I've ever seen.

CarrieLee said:

True enough, but then soy can't be the primary reason why these people are getting cancer, otherwise the 127 million people who inhabit Japan existing on a soy based diet wouldn't have such a healthy and long life expectancy, with so few diseases (cancer included).

Still, I do agree with everything in moderation

Ottensen said:

Exactly.
cancer from soy or from beef? really?

ultrablue said:

not that there's anything wrong with that.

ButterscotchPimp said:

Well I am sure I do not want cancer even in moderation.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Duh.
My point was what are you more likely to get it from soy or beef? My money's on beef, personally.

ButterscotchPimp said:

you're right, although I think the reason is that when you cook meat it add carcinogens. So if you want to eat raw beef...

NDRU said:

unless you poach or steam
processed meats are bad, like really bad

JackieBlue said:

omg it's like breastmilk then!

This is an interesting issue, I've been discussing it with cat/dog people and there the consensus is rather sane: If you have a carnivourous pet you feed it a proper diet, otherwise you're an idiot. Either you were veggie/vegan before you got the pet or became the same afterwards, you knew that cats and dogs eat meat. It's as morally wrong to feed a pet a vegetarian diet as doing it to a child, basing it on some moral grounds that you might use making your decision in becoming a veggie/vegan is not ok.
I have never come across a "militant" vegan who owns an animal of any sort though, I have to say.
Does a vegetarian/vegan feeding their animal a healthy diet mean they're taking less responsibility or are less moral? That question can be 'yes' if they don't wear leather or use any other part of any animal, otherwise 'no'. However, which meat is in your animal's diet can also make great difference to your personal morals - for some it's much more cruel to shoot and eat "Bambi" than to eat chicken, whereas for others not. There are so many different kinds of animal food that you can make that TOO a part of your choice in pet food - chicken, beef, lamb, salmon, venison...
So, certainly there are degrees there for people who search for them, but I think the only really IMmoral thing is to not feed your pet properly. Certainly those are the ones I believe to be idiots.

Teacher said:

that's all you needed to say

ZombieKitten said:

Thanks, I knew I belabored the point cause I always do... but I wanted to add that you should always feed ANY pet a healthy diet, nobody gets off the hook feeding their rabbit meat.

Teacher said:

diet needs to be species appropriate IMO, simple as that or it's negligent

ZombieKitten said:

Which is why humans need to eat MEAT!

Teacher said: