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PrintableuPtoWnNY said: missfee said:  Loose lips, sinks ships!!!!"...and some of the lips in this congregation done sunk aircraft carriers!" Calvin Lockheart was the man - loved him as con-man preacher Deke O'Malley in "Cotton Comes to Harlem", and King Willie in "Predator 2". Yes, that nucca was foine as frog's hair. The voice  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: King Willie in "Predator 2".
  Okay, this nucca look a hot damn mess.  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: SCNDLS said: It was a cute movie tho. 
She was a maid for a white family. Archie Bunker was the daddy, Jeff Bridges was the son. When she told them she was gon' quit the son and daughter decided she needed some dick in her life since she was a virgin and all. Enter Sidney fine ass. Turns out he runs a legit trucking biz by day and a moving, rolling casino by night. And somewhere in there Jeff Bridges declared his love for Ivy.
Now, that's a muthafuckin' movie!
[Edited 10/27/09 11:29am] Girl don't get me started on them Bridges bros. Have you seen "The Landlord"? It's old 70s flick I believe. I watched it for film class some years back. Beau Bridges is this privileged white boy who takes over a run down apartment complex in Harlem I think and he has an affair with this brothas (Louis Gosset Jr) wife. It's crazy and filled with all kinds of racial metaphors and allegories (sp). This lady Lee something (from Omen II) is his mom and when he tells her he got the black girl preggers she has this vision of being some southern belle entertaining all these little black kids at a picnic.
When Louis finds out his pregnant wife is carrying the white man's baby, he stars chasing Beau around the apartment and the whole time they're playing this jungle "ima kill you white boy" music. It's too crazy but I loved it. Oh, my. Another one I have to see on GP.
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DesireeNevermind said: Have you seen "The Landlord"? It's old 70s flick I believe. I watched it for film class some years back.
Beau Bridges is this privileged white boy who takes over a run down apartment complex in Harlem I think and he has an affair with this brothas (Louis Gosset Jr) wife. It's crazy and filled with all kinds of racial metaphors and allegories (sp). This lady Lee something (from Omen II) is his mom and when he tells her he got the black girl preggers she has this vision of being some southern belle entertaining all these little black kids at a picnic.
When Louis finds out his pregnant wife is carrying the white man's baby, he stars chasing Beau around the apartment and the whole time they're playing this jungle "ima kill you white boy" music. It's too crazy but I loved it. Gossett's wife was played by the late, great Diana Sands from 'Raisin in the Sun'. And whatever happened to Kirk Calloway('Cinderella Liberty' & 'Monkey Hustle')? | |
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I'm still rolling with Willie Dynamite
"You can't control yo bitches Willayyy!!!!" and Do The Right Thing "It aint neva too hot or too cold...for fuckin" | |
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That sexy Silky Slim start talking at 2:28 but you won't see him until around 8:00
  
[Edited 10/27/09 15:43pm] [Edited 10/27/09 15:44pm] I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Geechie Dan is a dead ringer for Papa Joe. 
Some more Calvin Lockheart - "...am I black enuff fiyah???" | |
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uPtoWnNY said: Geechie Dan is a dead ringer for Papa Joe.
Some more Calvin Lockheart - "...am I black enuff fiyah???" Lawd have mercy, i've actually seen this movie and it was absolutely terrible!!!! Can't believe Ossie Davis directed this.  But Calvin Lockhart was sexy az hell!!!I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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I had enough of anyone in THIS VERY THREAD playing it safe with the way they are saying their opinions. It's time for TVD to tell all of you EXACTLY the real problem that I notice after reading 8+ pages of this plus reading Spike's & Tyler's views:
As far as film making is concern, Spike Lee is refusing to pass the torch to Tyler Perry. That's right, I said it! Spike used to be what Tyler is right now, and that is THE #1 black film maker in North America today that made movies that matters. And Spike is piss about it.
As of 2009, all of Tyler's films have been box office hits. Can Spike say the same thing about all of his films on his resume?!? School Daze, Do The Right Thing, Mo'Better Blues, Malcolm X, Get On The Bus, He Got Game, & Bambozled were all of Spike's hits. But then Spike also have Girl 6, She Hate Me, Summer Of Sam, and many others that were total crap at the box office. Now I'm not saying that Spike or any one else is wrong about the negatives involving a few characters that Tyler created within his screenplay (even Tyler admitted that he would like to see Madea die one of these days because of her sins at times). But Spike is dead wrong for using these complains as an excuse for refusing to give Tyler his much deserve credit AND respect for doing the one thing that Spike himself has NEVER accomplish as a black film-maker: Being Successfully Progressive! THE BOTTOM LINE: Spike Lee WAS the most important black film maker in North America for the last 25 years. Tyler Perry IS the most important black film in North America right now. Therefore, Spike needs to pass the damn torch already! Spike needs to get over it, put his ego in check and stop hating on Tyler. If he really had a honest complain about the way Tyler does his films, Spike needs to tell Tyler how he feels face-to-face, and NOT behind Tyler's back from a distance through the news media like a little bitch. End of.  | |
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Dude, ain't no passing the torch. Even though Summer of Sam and She Hate Me didn't make Tyler Perry money, they were both critically acclaimed films. tyler Perry will never make a Clockers or a 25th Hour. | |
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 Again, big box office numbers does NOT equal quality filmmaking. And that's all you're talking about Tony.
Spike was never what TP is now. And who says he even wanted to be. Spike came out making indie films and 20 years later he's still pretty much doing that. Spike's priority was obviously not making money or else he woulda made 100 Inside Mans vs. films like Get on the Bus, Crooklyn, 4 Little Girls, Bamboozled. He makes the films that HE wants to make and is fully aware that the subject matter alone ensures that they will not be box office hits, but that's not his goal. Again, that's why he's an artist while TP is a bidness man IMO. Ain't nothing wrong with that but trynna compare the two don't make sense cuz they ain't in the same league, they're barely playing the same sport. And I have yet to see any quote of Spike "hating" on TP. So, again [Edited 10/27/09 19:03pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: Again, big box office numbers does NOT equal quality filmmaking. And that's all you're talking about Tony.
Spike was never what TP is now. And who says he even wanted to be. Spike came out making indie films and 20 years later he's still pretty much doing that. Spike's priority was obviously not making money or else he woulda made 100 Inside Mans vs. films like Get on the Bus, Crooklyn, 4 Little Girls, Bamboozled. He makes the films that HE wants to make and is fully aware that the subject matter alone ensures that they will not be box office hits, but that's not his goal. Again, that's why he's an artist while TP is a bidness man IMO. Ain't nothing wrong with that but trynna compare the two don't make sense cuz they ain't in the same league, they're barely playing the same sport. And I have yet to see any quote of Spike "hating" on TP. So, again
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Vendetta1 said: SCNDLS said: Again, big box office numbers does NOT equal quality filmmaking. And that's all you're talking about Tony.
Spike was never what TP is now. And who says he even wanted to be. Spike came out making indie films and 20 years later he's still pretty much doing that. Spike's priority was obviously not making money or else he woulda made 100 Inside Mans vs. films like Get on the Bus, Crooklyn, 4 Little Girls, Bamboozled. He makes the films that HE wants to make and is fully aware that the subject matter alone ensures that they will not be box office hits, but that's not his goal. Again, that's why he's an artist while TP is a bidness man IMO. Ain't nothing wrong with that but trynna compare the two don't make sense cuz they ain't in the same league, they're barely playing the same sport. And I have yet to see any quote of Spike "hating" on TP. So, again
[Edited 10/27/09 19:03pm] And why the hell Spike gotta pass a torch? Is there a "one successful (which is subjective) black director" maximum I don't know about? I ain't never heard nobody say to Scorcese or Spielberg, "Die already! Stop directing and pass the torch already to Judd Apatow!" | |
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SCNDLS said: Again, big box office numbers does NOT equal quality filmmaking. And that's all you're talking about Tony.
Spike was never what TP is now. And who says he even wanted to be. Spike came out making indie films and 20 years later he's still pretty much doing that. Spike's priority was obviously not making money or else he woulda made 100 Inside Mans vs. films like Get on the Bus, Crooklyn, 4 Little Girls, Bamboozled. He makes the films that HE wants to make and is fully aware that the subject matter alone ensures that they will not be box office hits, but that's not his goal. Again, that's why he's an artist while TP is a bidness man IMO. Ain't nothing wrong with that but trynna compare the two don't make sense cuz they ain't in the same league, they're barely playing the same sport. And I have yet to see any quote of Spike "hating" on TP. So, again
[Edited 10/27/09 19:03pm] Fair enough.
1. But what about films that are entertaining?!? And before you go there again about "quality", Do The Right Thing was also quality film making. But it was also entertaining to watch. THAT is my point. And we can all talk about films that are/were "critically acclaimed" as much as we want. But those same films that are/were hits for the film critics are not always promise to be hits with the regular viewing audience if those films are not entertaining to watch. 2. Spike IS hating on Tyler, not by saying it but definitely by body language. Spike could have done the right thing (pun intended!) by going to Tyler and tell him exactly how he feels. But instead of that, Spike did the same damn thing that he has done with Whoopi Goldberg, Quentin, AND Clint Eastwood by making negative comment about that person's work behind their back through the media. It's bad enough with a young male rap artist pulls this stunt for attention seeking. But a grown male film maker?!? Give me a break!
3. Yes, Spike makes the films that HE wants to make. Tyler also makes the films that HE wants to make. It just so happens that all of Tyler's films are bigger sells. Why not acknowledge that much?!? | |
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Vendetta1 said: Dude, ain't no passing the torch. Even though Summer of Sam and She Hate Me didn't make Tyler Perry money, they were both critically acclaimed films. tyler Perry will never make a Clockers or a 25th Hour.
Thank goodness, because Clockers was a little disappointing (IMO). Girl 6 was worse. | |
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SCNDLS said: Vendetta1 said: And why the hell Spike gotta pass a torch? Is there a "one successful (which is subjective) black director" maximum I don't know about? I ain't never heard nobody say to Scorcese or Spielberg, "Die already! Stop directing and pass the torch already to Judd Apatow!" @ the way you said that.
I said Tyler was the most successful right now, NOT the only successful. Don't get it twisted. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Vendetta1 said: Dude, ain't no passing the torch. Even though Summer of Sam and She Hate Me didn't make Tyler Perry money, they were both critically acclaimed films. tyler Perry will never make a Clockers or a 25th Hour.
Thank goodness, because Clockers was a little disappointing (IMO). Girl 6 was worse. | |
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TonyVanDam said: SCNDLS said: Again, big box office numbers does NOT equal quality filmmaking. And that's all you're talking about Tony.
Spike was never what TP is now. And who says he even wanted to be. Spike came out making indie films and 20 years later he's still pretty much doing that. Spike's priority was obviously not making money or else he woulda made 100 Inside Mans vs. films like Get on the Bus, Crooklyn, 4 Little Girls, Bamboozled. He makes the films that HE wants to make and is fully aware that the subject matter alone ensures that they will not be box office hits, but that's not his goal. Again, that's why he's an artist while TP is a bidness man IMO. Ain't nothing wrong with that but trynna compare the two don't make sense cuz they ain't in the same league, they're barely playing the same sport. And I have yet to see any quote of Spike "hating" on TP. So, again
[Edited 10/27/09 19:03pm] Fair enough.
1. But what about films that are entertaining?!? And before you go there again about "quality", Do The Right Thing was also quality film making. But it was also entertaining to watch. THAT is my point. And we can all talk about films that are/were "critically acclaimed" as much as we want. But those same films that are/were hits for the film critics are not always promise to be hits with the regular viewing audience if those films are not entertaining to watch. 2. Spike IS hating on Tyler, not by saying it but definitely by body language. Spike could have done the right thing (pun intended!) by going to Tyler and tell him exactly how he feels. But instead of that, Spike did the same damn thing that he has done with Whoopi Goldberg, Quentin, AND Clint Eastwood by making negative comment about that person's work behind their back through the media. It's bad enough with a young male rap artist pulls this stunt for attention seeking. But a grown male film maker?!? Give me a break!
3. Yes, Spike makes the films that HE wants to make. Tyler also makes the films that HE wants to make. It just so happens that all of Tyler's films are bigger sells. Why not acknowledge that much?!? What's entertaining is OBVIOUSLY subjective. Who says we have to agree on what's entertaining? All black folks don't laugh at the same shit or get offended by the same shit. I can't stand TP but I don't care if someone else loves his dirty pink draws. Nope. Still not buying the hating angle. Spike was asked a question and he gave HIS opinion. SO he can't give his opinion on ANYTHING related to a black person unless it's flattering??? Now, that's playing it "safe" as you put it. That's part of our damn problem now and why Cosby catches hell for speaking the truth. And how is it behind his back if it's thru the media? It's not like it wasn't gonna get out. Why does he HAVE to talk TP? What the fuck for? He's entitled to his opinion and can air it anyway he chooses and he don't need to keep the peace to appease the public. And frankly, if you read the actual interview, Spike was VERY diplomatic with his comments and a whole lot milder that I would've expected him to be. Certainly much more that I woulda been if asked that question. And, please, where has ANYONE said that TP can't make his films? Did Spike say that? Did anybody on this thread? I don't think so. And who exactly has failed to acknowledge TP's accomplishments? Spike did, I did, everybody knows about his financial achievements and no one's taking away from that. Still don't mean he can write or direct his mumu wearing ass out of a paper bag. | |
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TonyVanDam said: SCNDLS said: And why the hell Spike gotta pass a torch? Is there a "one successful (which is subjective) black director" maximum I don't know about? I ain't never heard nobody say to Scorcese or Spielberg, "Die already! Stop directing and pass the torch already to Judd Apatow!" @ the way you said that.
I said Tyler was the most successful right now, NOT the only successful. Don't get it twisted. My point is: Who cares if he's the most successful? That's not at issue, in question, or up for debate. We KNOW about his box office, new studio, yada, yada, yada. 
Spike's issue and mine is strictly about the quality of the work which IMO is substandard. Not compared to Spike's or anyone else's. Just on it's own lowly merits. But for those who don't care or even notice, they'll keep buying tix. Goody for all of 'em. Has TP even been to film school? | |
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Vendetta1 said: TonyVanDam said: Thank goodness, because Clockers was a little disappointing (IMO). Girl 6 was worse. Many years ago, I went to the dollar show to see Girl 6. That film was so awesomely bad, that even today I'm still disappointed that I couldn't get my $1.25 refunded. | |
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TonyVanDam said: I had enough of anyone in THIS VERY THREAD playing it safe with the way they are saying their opinions. It's time for TVD to tell all of you EXACTLY the real problem that I notice after reading 8+ pages of this plus reading Spike's & Tyler's views:
As far as film making is concern, Spike Lee is refusing to pass the torch to Tyler Perry. That's right, I said it! Spike used to be what Tyler is right now, and that is THE #1 black film maker in North America today that made movies that matters. And Spike is piss about it.
As of 2009, all of Tyler's films have been box office hits. Can Spike say the same thing about all of his films on his resume?!? School Daze, Do The Right Thing, Mo'Better Blues, Malcolm X, Get On The Bus, He Got Game, & Bambozled were all of Spike's hits. But then Spike also have Girl 6, She Hate Me, Summer Of Sam, and many others that were total crap at the box office. Now I'm not saying that Spike or any one else is wrong about the negatives involving a few characters that Tyler created within his screenplay (even Tyler admitted that he would like to see Madea die one of these days because of her sins at times). But Spike is dead wrong for using these complains as an excuse for refusing to give Tyler his much deserve credit AND respect for doing the one thing that Spike himself has NEVER accomplish as a black film-maker: Being Successfully Progressive! THE BOTTOM LINE: Spike Lee WAS the most important black film maker in North America for the last 25 years. Tyler Perry IS the most important black film in North America right now. Therefore, Spike needs to pass the damn torch already! Spike needs to get over it, put his ego in check and stop hating on Tyler. If he really had a honest complain about the way Tyler does his films, Spike needs to tell Tyler how he feels face-to-face, and NOT behind Tyler's back from a distance through the news media like a little bitch. End of. Maybe Tyler should do like Prince and confront Spike mano y mano?  He backpedalled a bit when P did that.Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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babynoz said: TonyVanDam said: I had enough of anyone in THIS VERY THREAD playing it safe with the way they are saying their opinions. It's time for TVD to tell all of you EXACTLY the real problem that I notice after reading 8+ pages of this plus reading Spike's & Tyler's views:
As far as film making is concern, Spike Lee is refusing to pass the torch to Tyler Perry. That's right, I said it! Spike used to be what Tyler is right now, and that is THE #1 black film maker in North America today that made movies that matters. And Spike is piss about it.
As of 2009, all of Tyler's films have been box office hits. Can Spike say the same thing about all of his films on his resume?!? School Daze, Do The Right Thing, Mo'Better Blues, Malcolm X, Get On The Bus, He Got Game, & Bambozled were all of Spike's hits. But then Spike also have Girl 6, She Hate Me, Summer Of Sam, and many others that were total crap at the box office. Now I'm not saying that Spike or any one else is wrong about the negatives involving a few characters that Tyler created within his screenplay (even Tyler admitted that he would like to see Madea die one of these days because of her sins at times). But Spike is dead wrong for using these complains as an excuse for refusing to give Tyler his much deserve credit AND respect for doing the one thing that Spike himself has NEVER accomplish as a black film-maker: Being Successfully Progressive! THE BOTTOM LINE: Spike Lee WAS the most important black film maker in North America for the last 25 years. Tyler Perry IS the most important black film in North America right now. Therefore, Spike needs to pass the damn torch already! Spike needs to get over it, put his ego in check and stop hating on Tyler. If he really had a honest complain about the way Tyler does his films, Spike needs to tell Tyler how he feels face-to-face, and NOT behind Tyler's back from a distance through the news media like a little bitch. End of. Maybe Tyler should do like Prince and confront Spike mano y mano? He backpedalled a bit when P did that.What THE hayull??? Details, please.  | |
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TonyVanDam said: Vendetta1 said: I loved Clockers and hated Girl 6.
Many years ago, I went to the dollar show to see Girl 6. That film was so awesomely bad, that even today I'm still disappointed that I couldn't get my $1.25 refunded. I hated Girl 6, Clockers and She's Gotta Have It. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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SCNDLS said: babynoz said: Maybe Tyler should do like Prince and confront Spike mano y mano? He backpedalled a bit when P did that.What THE hayull??? Details, please. You haven't read that interview? After that P was the greatest thing since sliced bread...that and the fact that P was one of the people who had to give him the $$ to finish Malcolm X. All of his criticism about Prince and white women was effectively silenced henceforth and forevermore. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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SCNDLS said: TonyVanDam said: Fair enough.
1. But what about films that are entertaining?!? And before you go there again about "quality", Do The Right Thing was also quality film making. But it was also entertaining to watch. THAT is my point. And we can all talk about films that are/were "critically acclaimed" as much as we want. But those same films that are/were hits for the film critics are not always promise to be hits with the regular viewing audience if those films are not entertaining to watch. 2. Spike IS hating on Tyler, not by saying it but definitely by body language. Spike could have done the right thing (pun intended!) by going to Tyler and tell him exactly how he feels. But instead of that, Spike did the same damn thing that he has done with Whoopi Goldberg, Quentin, AND Clint Eastwood by making negative comment about that person's work behind their back through the media. It's bad enough with a young male rap artist pulls this stunt for attention seeking. But a grown male film maker?!? Give me a break!
3. Yes, Spike makes the films that HE wants to make. Tyler also makes the films that HE wants to make. It just so happens that all of Tyler's films are bigger sells. Why not acknowledge that much?!? What's entertaining is OBVIOUSLY subjective. Who says we have to agree on what's entertaining? All black folks don't laugh at the same shit or get offended by the same shit. I can't stand TP but I don't care if someone else loves his dirty pink draws. Nope. Still not buying the hating angle. Spike was asked a question and he gave HIS opinion. SO he can't give his opinion on ANYTHING related to a black person unless it's flattering??? Now, that's playing it "safe" as you put it. That's part of our damn problem now and why Cosby catches hell for speaking the truth. And how is it behind his back if it's thru the media? It's not like it wasn't gonna get out. Why does he HAVE to talk TP? What the fuck for? He's entitled to his opinion and can air it anyway he chooses and he don't need to keep the peace to appease the public. And frankly, if you read the actual interview, Spike was VERY diplomatic with his comments and a whole lot milder that I would've expected him to be. Certainly much more that I woulda been if asked that question. And, please, where has ANYONE said that TP can't make his films? Did Spike say that? Did anybody on this thread? I don't think so. And who exactly has failed to acknowledge TP's accomplishments? Spike did, I did, everybody knows about his financial achievements and no one's taking away from that. Still don't mean he can write or direct his mumu wearing ass out of a paper bag. The only problem with THAT^ is Spike has totally forgotten how white media operates. During that interview on 60 Minutes, they did NOT make enough time to show or tell Tyler the whole story of what Spike has said about his work. They told Tyler all of the negative comments/opinions that Spike made. And as a tragic reason, we had a public divide between 2 black film makers. All I'm saying is that it didn't look good on Spike's part with his timing. He was better off telling Tyler exactly how he felt in person and then share with the media his feelings. | |
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babynoz said: TonyVanDam said: I had enough of anyone in THIS VERY THREAD playing it safe with the way they are saying their opinions. It's time for TVD to tell all of you EXACTLY the real problem that I notice after reading 8+ pages of this plus reading Spike's & Tyler's views:
As far as film making is concern, Spike Lee is refusing to pass the torch to Tyler Perry. That's right, I said it! Spike used to be what Tyler is right now, and that is THE #1 black film maker in North America today that made movies that matters. And Spike is piss about it.
As of 2009, all of Tyler's films have been box office hits. Can Spike say the same thing about all of his films on his resume?!? School Daze, Do The Right Thing, Mo'Better Blues, Malcolm X, Get On The Bus, He Got Game, & Bambozled were all of Spike's hits. But then Spike also have Girl 6, She Hate Me, Summer Of Sam, and many others that were total crap at the box office. Now I'm not saying that Spike or any one else is wrong about the negatives involving a few characters that Tyler created within his screenplay (even Tyler admitted that he would like to see Madea die one of these days because of her sins at times). But Spike is dead wrong for using these complains as an excuse for refusing to give Tyler his much deserve credit AND respect for doing the one thing that Spike himself has NEVER accomplish as a black film-maker: Being Successfully Progressive! THE BOTTOM LINE: Spike Lee WAS the most important black film maker in North America for the last 25 years. Tyler Perry IS the most important black film in North America right now. Therefore, Spike needs to pass the damn torch already! Spike needs to get over it, put his ego in check and stop hating on Tyler. If he really had a honest complain about the way Tyler does his films, Spike needs to tell Tyler how he feels face-to-face, and NOT behind Tyler's back from a distance through the news media like a little bitch. End of. Maybe Tyler should do like Prince and confront Spike mano y mano? He backpedalled a bit when P did that.And also, Prince had his hair perm and his high heels on when he confronted Spike! | |
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babynoz said: TonyVanDam said: I had enough of anyone in THIS VERY THREAD playing it safe with the way they are saying their opinions. It's time for TVD to tell all of you EXACTLY the real problem that I notice after reading 8+ pages of this plus reading Spike's & Tyler's views:
As far as film making is concern, Spike Lee is refusing to pass the torch to Tyler Perry. That's right, I said it! Spike used to be what Tyler is right now, and that is THE #1 black film maker in North America today that made movies that matters. And Spike is piss about it.
As of 2009, all of Tyler's films have been box office hits. Can Spike say the same thing about all of his films on his resume?!? School Daze, Do The Right Thing, Mo'Better Blues, Malcolm X, Get On The Bus, He Got Game, & Bambozled were all of Spike's hits. But then Spike also have Girl 6, She Hate Me, Summer Of Sam, and many others that were total crap at the box office. Now I'm not saying that Spike or any one else is wrong about the negatives involving a few characters that Tyler created within his screenplay (even Tyler admitted that he would like to see Madea die one of these days because of her sins at times). But Spike is dead wrong for using these complains as an excuse for refusing to give Tyler his much deserve credit AND respect for doing the one thing that Spike himself has NEVER accomplish as a black film-maker: Being Successfully Progressive! THE BOTTOM LINE: Spike Lee WAS the most important black film maker in North America for the last 25 years. Tyler Perry IS the most important black film in North America right now. Therefore, Spike needs to pass the damn torch already! Spike needs to get over it, put his ego in check and stop hating on Tyler. If he really had a honest complain about the way Tyler does his films, Spike needs to tell Tyler how he feels face-to-face, and NOT behind Tyler's back from a distance through the news media like a little bitch. End of. Maybe Tyler should do like Prince and confront Spike mano y mano? He backpedalled a bit when P did that.Spike and Tyler just need to sit down and air their differences. Who knows, they may find some commonality. In the end, they both need to embrace their creative skills/gifts, as they both come from different social/economic backgrounds, and it is apparent, they both view life and their experiences as Black men differently. There are a few films of Spike's I just don't care for. The only Spike films I really liked was "Malcolm X" and "Do The Right Thing", to be honest. I don't like all of Tyler's films either, but can sit through about 2 to 3 of his films. What's going to happen when more Black Filmmakers get to the top of their game? For one thing, there's enough room for all of them to introduce their creative skills to those choosing to support them. [Edited 10/27/09 20:14pm] | |
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TonyVanDam said: babynoz said: Maybe Tyler should do like Prince and confront Spike mano y mano? He backpedalled a bit when P did that.And also, Prince had his hair perm and his high heels on when he confronted Spike! He sho did...and bro Spike ain't gave Prince no mo heat since he stepped to him, heels and all. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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2elijah said: babynoz said: Maybe Tyler should do like Prince and confront Spike mano y mano? He backpedalled a bit when P did that.Spike and Tyler just need to sit down and air their differences. Who knows, they may find some commonality. In the end, they both need to embrace their creative skills/gifts, as they both come from different social/economic backgrounds, and it is apparent, they both view life and their experiences as Black men differently. There are a few films of Spike's I just don't care for. The only Spike films I really liked was "Malcolm X" and "Do The Right Thing", to be honest. I don't like all of Tyler's films either, but can sit through about 2 to 3 of his films. What's going to happen when more Black Filmmakers get to the top of their game? For one thing, there's enough room for all of them to introduce their creative skills to those choosing to support them. [Edited 10/27/09 20:14pm] Yes! Thank You. Exactly!  | |
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babynoz said: SCNDLS said: What THE hayull??? Details, please. You haven't read that interview? After that P was the greatest thing since sliced bread...that and the fact that P was one of the people who had to give him the $$ to finish Malcolm X. All of his criticism about Prince and white women was effectively silenced henceforth and forevermore. So in other words, Prince put Spike in his place, then Spike basically had to hold out a begging cup to Prince to complete the "Malcolm X" movie, as well as accepting funds with another begging cup, from Bill Cosby to complete the making of his "Malcolm X" movie. Spike ought to stop the panhandling then. Like Tyler basically said, but didn't exactly say it in these words, in that 60 minutes interview "When you own your sh*t, then you control your own sh*t and you don't have to walk with a begging cup asking folks to finance your films " ...and Tyler can back that statement up, because he "owns" his sh*t. [Edited 10/27/09 20:33pm] | |
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