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Printable2elijah said: DesireeNevermind said:  I rest my case.  Ima hold onto Bitch, Byatch, and BeeHotch.I used to use those terms too, but I will not anymore. Self-respect comes first. It's like contributing to the degradation of females, yet having a fit because you don't like being called one, but then to still turn around and use it?? No, I don't think so. [Edited 10/26/09 14:01pm] Ahh but it's not the word so much as the action no? A woman isn't a bitch IMO simply because she's a woman....she has to behave in a low down, self-serving, untrustworthy degrading way to be a bitch. Either that or she's just mean and/or tough. Same thing with the "N" word. You're not one simply b/c you have dark skin as some of them other folk have tried to argue. You could be one by your actions. You could be a cool ass nucca, a lying/betraying uncle tom N***A, or that crazy N around the way. I totally get what you're saying and I used to feel that way but then I try and see it from another perspective - context. It's not always easy of course. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: 2elijah said: I used to use those terms too, but I will not anymore. Self-respect comes first. It's like contributing to the degradation of females, yet having a fit because you don't like being called one, but then to still turn around and use it?? No, I don't think so. [Edited 10/26/09 14:01pm] Ahh but it's not the word so much as the action no? A woman isn't a bitch IMO simply because she's a woman....she has to behave in a low down, self-serving, untrustworthy degrading way to be a bitch. Either that or she's just mean and/or tough. Same thing with the "N" word. You're not one simply b/c you have dark skin as some of them other folk have tried to argue. You could be one by your actions. You could be a cool ass nucca, a lying/betraying uncle tom N***A, or that crazy N around the way. I totally get what you're saying and I used to feel that way but then I try and see it from another perspective - context. It's not always easy of course.  True. I know a lotta bitchass nuccas  | |
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SCNDLS said: DesireeNevermind said: Ahh but it's not the word so much as the action no? A woman isn't a bitch IMO simply because she's a woman....she has to behave in a low down, self-serving, untrustworthy degrading way to be a bitch. Either that or she's just mean and/or tough. Same thing with the "N" word. You're not one simply b/c you have dark skin as some of them other folk have tried to argue. You could be one by your actions. You could be a cool ass nucca, a lying/betraying uncle tom N***A, or that crazy N around the way. I totally get what you're saying and I used to feel that way but then I try and see it from another perspective - context. It's not always easy of course. True. I know a lotta bitchass nuccas me too. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: SCNDLS said: True. I know a lotta bitchass nuccas me too.  And see you knew EXACTLY what I meant with that phrase. | |
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SCNDLS said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: I don't have time for the emphasis, the dramatics or any of the other bs. You keep specifying that Tyler Perry has a "certain demographic". I want you to explain to me what you think his "certain demographic" is and then I'll decide whether I like the connotation or not. As far as the rest of what you're talking about, I really do not care. So, pointing out the facts about what I was talking about in the first place is being dramatic??? Really??? Ummm, okay.   You're the only hopping around on a stage as far as I can tell. Any time you are ready to do as I asked of you and explain to me what you think his "certain demographic" is, would be appreciated. I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said:
Everything Tyler has written has a message that doesn't get lost in the deliverance as much of Spike's work has. Sure there are the Madea and Mr. Brown characters to catch your attention but it's from their humor, love and compassion (though in Madea's case, that sometimes may be the lack thereof) as they interact with the other characters that gets his messages across. People who seem to have difficulties grasping his movies may want to check out his plays, which came first and offer better connection to the audience, IMHO. If they don't like the stereotypes in the movies, I think they wouldn't like the stereotypes in the stage plays even more because Madea really lets loose in them. But there is definately a balance of characters. For instance in "Madea's Family Reunion" the stage play version, Madea is the ghetto grandma, Mr. Brown is the country neighbor, Lisa and her husband to be are more elite (although her husband turns out to be a wife beater) but that lets you know that all wife beaters don't look like trash, Lisa's sister is a crackhead, Lisa's mother is a gullible type woman but still one of the most down to earth and least stereotypical of the cast, and Lisa's aunt is the uppity stuck up type. Madea is ghetto as hell but some of the other characters balance it out and the message still comes across.
In the stage play version of "Madea's Family Reunion" she is much more ghetto acting than the film. They toned her waaaaay down for the film. She's much more funny in the stage play also. She was always bragging about her guns and sitting there licking her rolling paper getting ready to roll her a joint. She even shot at the dog at one point. Her costume and wig was much cheaper and less realistic looking, her walk was more exaggerated, she had a lot more funny things to say, and she was in damn near the whole play where she isn't even in the movie much at all because they were too busy concentrating on the other characters (which I found boring). In the movie, they completely changed the script altogether. It was much more toned down. I loved the stage play and was bored as hell with the movie and almost fell asleep during it. The stage play was just more entertaining altogether including the music. The stage play had actual gospel music with traditional instruments and those singers could sing, yell, and turn it out. I'm not a gospel music fan at all but I thoroughly enjoyed the music in the play. The music in the movie was toned down sellout contemporary type R&B (very dull). The audiences at the stage plays were 90% black also and every time the Tyler Perry plays came to my area, they packed the house. Actually though, those movies were toned down a whole lot because I think he must have wanted to appeal to a more elite black audience as well as get a few white moviegoers also who would actually have a stroke if they saw the way Madea was acting in the plays. If Spike were to see those, he'd have a heart attack.
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: SCNDLS said: So, pointing out the facts about what I was talking about in the first place is being dramatic??? Really??? Ummm, okay. You're the only hopping around on a stage as far as I can tell. Any time you are ready to do as I asked of you and explain to me what you think his "certain demographic" is, would be appreciated. What for? It's not going to resolve a single thing and why should I comply with your wishes when you went out of your way to be rude to me??? | |
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vainandy said: HatrinaHaterwitz said:
Everything Tyler has written has a message that doesn't get lost in the deliverance as much of Spike's work has. Sure there are the Madea and Mr. Brown characters to catch your attention but it's from their humor, love and compassion (though in Madea's case, that sometimes may be the lack thereof) as they interact with the other characters that gets his messages across. People who seem to have difficulties grasping his movies may want to check out his plays, which came first and offer better connection to the audience, IMHO. If they don't like the stereotypes in the movies, I think they wouldn't like the stereotypes in the stage plays even more because Madea really lets loose in them. But there is definately a balance of characters. For instance in "Madea's Family Reunion" the stage play version, Madea is the ghetto grandma, Mr. Brown is the country neighbor, Lisa and her husband to be are more elite (although her husband turns out to be a wife beater) but that lets you know that all wife beaters don't look like trash, Lisa's sister is a crackhead, Lisa's mother is a gullible type woman but still one of the most down to earth and least stereotypical of the cast, and Lisa's aunt is the uppity stuck up type. Madea is ghetto as hell but some of the other characters balance it out and the message still comes across.
In the stage play version of "Madea's Family Reunion" she is much more ghetto acting than the film. They toned her waaaaay down for the film. She's much more funny in the stage play also. She was always bragging about her guns and sitting there licking her rolling paper getting ready to roll her a joint. She even shot at the dog at one point. Her costume and wig was much cheaper and less realistic looking, her walk was more exaggerated, she had a lot more funny things to say, and she was in damn near the whole play where she isn't even in the movie much at all because they were too busy concentrating on the other characters (which I found boring). In the movie, they completely changed the script altogether. It was much more toned down. I loved the stage play and was bored as hell with the movie and almost fell asleep during it. The stage play was just more entertaining altogether including the music. The stage play had actual gospel music with traditional instruments and those singers could sing, yell, and turn it out. I'm not a gospel music fan at all but I thoroughly enjoyed the music in the play. The music in the movie was toned down sellout contemporary type R&B (very dull). The audiences at the stage plays were 90% black also and every time the Tyler Perry plays came to my area, they packed the house. Actually though, those movies were toned down a whole lot because I think he must have wanted to appeal to a more elite black audience as well as get a few white moviegoers also who would actually have a stroke if they saw the Madea was acting in the plays. If Spike were to see those, he'd have a heart attack. | |
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Vendetta1 said: vainandy said: If they don't like the stereotypes in the movies, I think they wouldn't like the stereotypes in the stage plays even more because Madea really lets loose in them. But there is definately a balance of characters. For instance in "Madea's Family Reunion" the stage play version, Madea is the ghetto grandma, Mr. Brown is the country neighbor, Lisa and her husband to be are more elite (although her husband turns out to be a wife beater) but that lets you know that all wife beaters don't look like trash, Lisa's sister is a crackhead, Lisa's mother is a gullible type woman but still one of the most down to earth and least stereotypical of the cast, and Lisa's aunt is the uppity stuck up type. Madea is ghetto as hell but some of the other characters balance it out and the message still comes across.
In the stage play version of "Madea's Family Reunion" she is much more ghetto acting than the film. They toned her waaaaay down for the film. She's much more funny in the stage play also. She was always bragging about her guns and sitting there licking her rolling paper getting ready to roll her a joint. She even shot at the dog at one point. Her costume and wig was much cheaper and less realistic looking, her walk was more exaggerated, she had a lot more funny things to say, and she was in damn near the whole play where she isn't even in the movie much at all because they were too busy concentrating on the other characters (which I found boring). In the movie, they completely changed the script altogether. It was much more toned down. I loved the stage play and was bored as hell with the movie and almost fell asleep during it. The stage play was just more entertaining altogether including the music. The stage play had actual gospel music with traditional instruments and those singers could sing, yell, and turn it out. I'm not a gospel music fan at all but I thoroughly enjoyed the music in the play. The music in the movie was toned down sellout contemporary type R&B (very dull). The audiences at the stage plays were 90% black also and every time the Tyler Perry plays came to my area, they packed the house. Actually though, those movies were toned down a whole lot because I think he must have wanted to appeal to a more elite black audience as well as get a few white moviegoers also who would actually have a stroke if they saw the Madea was acting in the plays. If Spike were to see those, he'd have a heart attack. The play or the movie? Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SCNDLS said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Any time you are ready to do as I asked of you and explain to me what you think his "certain demographic" is, would be appreciated. What for? It's not going to resolve a single thing and why should I comply with your wishes when you went out of your way to be rude to me??? I see...clearly! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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vainandy said: The play or the movie? | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: SCNDLS said: What for? It's not going to resolve a single thing and why should I comply with your wishes when you went out of your way to be rude to me??? I see...clearly!  | |
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vainandy said: HatrinaHaterwitz said:
Everything Tyler has written has a message that doesn't get lost in the deliverance as much of Spike's work has. Sure there are the Madea and Mr. Brown characters to catch your attention but it's from their humor, love and compassion (though in Madea's case, that sometimes may be the lack thereof) as they interact with the other characters that gets his messages across. People who seem to have difficulties grasping his movies may want to check out his plays, which came first and offer better connection to the audience, IMHO. If they don't like the stereotypes in the movies, I think they wouldn't like the stereotypes in the stage plays even more because Madea really lets loose in them. But there is definately a balance of characters. For instance in "Madea's Family Reunion" the stage play version, Madea is the ghetto grandma, Mr. Brown is the country neighbor, Lisa and her husband to be are more elite (although her husband turns out to be a wife beater) but that lets you know that all wife beaters don't look like trash, Lisa's sister is a crackhead, Lisa's mother is a gullible type woman but still one of the most down to earth and least stereotypical of the cast, and Lisa's aunt is the uppity stuck up type. Madea is ghetto as hell but some of the other characters balance it out and the message still comes across.
In the stage play version of "Madea's Family Reunion" she is much more ghetto acting than the film. They toned her waaaaay down for the film. She's much more funny in the stage play also. She was always bragging about her guns and sitting there licking her rolling paper getting ready to roll her a joint. She even shot at the dog at one point. Her costume and wig was much cheaper and less realistic looking, her walk was more exaggerated, she had a lot more funny things to say, and she was in damn near the whole play where she isn't even in the movie much at all because they were too busy concentrating on the other characters (which I found boring). In the movie, they completely changed the script altogether. It was much more toned down. I loved the stage play and was bored as hell with the movie and almost fell asleep during it. The stage play was just more entertaining altogether including the music. The stage play had actual gospel music with traditional instruments and those singers could sing, yell, and turn it out. I'm not a gospel music fan at all but I thoroughly enjoyed the music in the play. The music in the movie was toned down sellout contemporary type R&B (very dull). The audiences at the stage plays were 90% black also and every time the Tyler Perry plays came to my area, they packed the house. Actually though, those movies were toned down a whole lot because I think he must have wanted to appeal to a more elite black audience as well as get a few white moviegoers also who would actually have a stroke if they saw the way Madea was acting in the plays. If Spike were to see those, he'd have a heart attack.
. . . [Edited 10/26/09 14:33pm] Where I'm from, it's the more elite Black folks that fill the theaters to see Tyler's plays. The less elite wait for the bootleg.  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Vendetta1 said: vainandy said: The play or the movie? When I first turned it on, I didn't think I would like it because usually when you've seen one gospel play, you've seen them all. But I ended up enjoying it and thought it was funny as hell. I felt like I was watching a black version of "Mama's Family". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: When I first turned it on, I didn't think I would like it because usually when you've seen one gospel play, you've seen them all. But I ended up enjoying it and thought it was funny as hell. I felt like I was watching a black version of "Mama's Family". I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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vainandy said: When I first turned it on, I didn't think I would like it because usually when you've seen one gospel play, you've seen them all. But I ended up enjoying it and thought it was funny as hell. I felt like I was watching a black version of "Mama's Family".  | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: vainandy said: If they don't like the stereotypes in the movies, I think they wouldn't like the stereotypes in the stage plays even more because Madea really lets loose in them. But there is definately a balance of characters. For instance in "Madea's Family Reunion" the stage play version, Madea is the ghetto grandma, Mr. Brown is the country neighbor, Lisa and her husband to be are more elite (although her husband turns out to be a wife beater) but that lets you know that all wife beaters don't look like trash, Lisa's sister is a crackhead, Lisa's mother is a gullible type woman but still one of the most down to earth and least stereotypical of the cast, and Lisa's aunt is the uppity stuck up type. Madea is ghetto as hell but some of the other characters balance it out and the message still comes across.
In the stage play version of "Madea's Family Reunion" she is much more ghetto acting than the film. They toned her waaaaay down for the film. She's much more funny in the stage play also. She was always bragging about her guns and sitting there licking her rolling paper getting ready to roll her a joint. She even shot at the dog at one point. Her costume and wig was much cheaper and less realistic looking, her walk was more exaggerated, she had a lot more funny things to say, and she was in damn near the whole play where she isn't even in the movie much at all because they were too busy concentrating on the other characters (which I found boring). In the movie, they completely changed the script altogether. It was much more toned down. I loved the stage play and was bored as hell with the movie and almost fell asleep during it. The stage play was just more entertaining altogether including the music. The stage play had actual gospel music with traditional instruments and those singers could sing, yell, and turn it out. I'm not a gospel music fan at all but I thoroughly enjoyed the music in the play. The music in the movie was toned down sellout contemporary type R&B (very dull). The audiences at the stage plays were 90% black also and every time the Tyler Perry plays came to my area, they packed the house. Actually though, those movies were toned down a whole lot because I think he must have wanted to appeal to a more elite black audience as well as get a few white moviegoers also who would actually have a stroke if they saw the way Madea was acting in the plays. If Spike were to see those, he'd have a heart attack.
. . . [Edited 10/26/09 14:33pm] Where I'm from, it's the more elite Black folks that fill the theaters to see Tyler's plays. The less elite wait for the bootleg. Well, where I'm from the wannabe elite black folks fill the theater and the less elite get the bootleg.
The bootleg is the way I saw it. A friend of mine brought over the VCR tape and actually had to talk me into watching it. Afterwards, he got ready to take his tape home and I said..."Leave that tape here till next weekend bitch, I've got to make a copy of it". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Well, where I'm from the wannabe elite black folks fill the theater and the less elite get the bootleg.
The bootleg is the way I saw it. A friend of mine brought over the VCR tape and actually had to talk me into watching it. Afterwards, he got ready to take his tape home and I said..."Leave that tape here till next weekend bitch, I've got to make a copy of it". Touche'
My point is we less elite black folks aren't the only ones who enjoy Tyler Perry's work and the wannabes and other "it's so stereotypical" folks need to quit fronting! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: vainandy said: Well, where I'm from the wannabe elite black folks fill the theater and the less elite get the bootleg.
The bootleg is the way I saw it. A friend of mine brought over the VCR tape and actually had to talk me into watching it. Afterwards, he got ready to take his tape home and I said..."Leave that tape here till next weekend bitch, I've got to make a copy of it". Touche'
My point is we less elite black folks aren't the only ones who enjoy Tyler Perry's work and the wannabes and other "it's so stereotypical" folks need to quit fronting! | |
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Vendetta1 said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Touche'
My point is we less elite black folks aren't the only ones who enjoy Tyler Perry's work and the wannabes and other "it's so stereotypical" folks need to quit fronting! I think she just talking bout the folk that say it's so stereotypical of Tyler in his works when we as people all have a guilty pleasure of enjoying buffoonery in some shape or form. When i say that i'm not talking about no blackface type shit or steppin fetchit. I dare one person to tell me that they didn't get a kick out of Martin Lawrence show during the 90's. I laughed my ass off at Jerome and Martin playing Mama Payne. Don't laugh at my funk
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[quote] 2elijah said: I used to use those terms too, but I will not anymore. Self-respect comes first. It's like contributing to the degradation of females, yet having a fit because you don't like being called one, but then to still turn around and use it?? No, I don't think so. [Edited 10/26/09 14:01pm] Desiree said: Ahh but it's not the word so much as the action no? A woman isn't a bitch IMO simply because she's a woman....she has to behave in a low down, self-serving, untrustworthy degrading way to be a bitch. Either that or she's just mean and/or tough.
A woman doesn't have to be defined as a b*tch because she is behaving in a "low down self-serving, untrustworthy degrading way". A man is never referred to that when he acts that way. If a woman is behaving that way, it is because something set that emotion off for her to act like that. If a woman is mean or simply doesn't take sh*t, why does she have to be a called a "b*tch?" If a woman is standing up for herself or defending herself, and may swear when she does it, why is she defined as a b*tch? She can just have a nasty, disrespectful attitude, that's just about it. If God intended her to be a b*tch, he would have her walking on all fours and begging to be petted, instead of standing upright on two feet. Desiree said: Same thing with the "N" word. You're not one simply b/c you have dark skin as some of them other folk have tried to argue. You could be one by your actions. You could be a cool ass nucca, a lying/betraying uncle tom N***A, or that crazy N around the way. I never heard that you have to have dark skin to be referred to as a N*gger, Nucca or N*gga. The term n*gger was used in the first place to degrade anyone who was of African descent, I don't care if you were mixed, light-skinned, caramel, almost butterscoth or in between fudge-vanilla and rocky road. Point is if you had any African-ancestry the term n*gger was created to refer to you in this country in the past (slavery, post-slavery, jim crow, black codes, and days of segregation, etc.). Reflection of a lighter shade, may have got you in the house, but you still had to go through the back door to get there. Point is, people seem to have developed amnesia and forgot where the term was derived and the intention of its use. My response is not to put you or anyone else down because you choose to use those terms lightly. If I came off that way to you, then I apologize. I guess I grew up at a time when that term was still being used to degrade Blacks, and I heard it from the mouths of racist people as a child. During my days, you rarely heard Black people saying that to one another, in any kind of endearing way, because they knew what the term meant and what the intentions of it meant when it was used towards them. That term was never heard in my house growing up. My parents never used it, not even towards their friends when they had get togethers at the house. I now hear kids of all backgrounds and adults, mostly in their mid to late 30s using it among themselves. So excuse me for they way I feel about those terms. I despise those terms any way that they are broken down Thing is, if walk like a n*gger, talk like a n*gger, and act like a n*gger, the chances are high that you will be treated like a n*gger, nucca or n*gga.. [Edited 10/26/09 17:00pm] | |
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Vendetta1 said: vainandy said: When I first turned it on, I didn't think I would like it because usually when you've seen one gospel play, you've seen them all. But I ended up enjoying it and thought it was funny as hell. I felt like I was watching a black version of "Mama's Family". I saw the plays years ago at the beauty shop and had the same reaction. I don't like any of those Mama I Wanna Sang But My Man Done Me Wrong So I Shot Him plays. And I love theatre. Oh well, to each their own. What a novel concept, huh? | |
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Vendetta1 said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Touche'
My point is we less elite black folks aren't the only ones who enjoy Tyler Perry's work and the wannabes and other "it's so stereotypical" folks need to quit fronting! Exactly what I said. But to elaborate, what I mean is, it's a shame that people talk about any stereotyping they feel is reflective in Tyler's work, while they themselves perpetuate those same and similar stereotypes. All of Spike Lee's characters for his movies have not exactly been representative of the vast demographic that is Black America. [Edited 10/26/09 16:41pm] I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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SCNDLS said: 2elijah said: Everyone is talking about how Tyler Perry uses stereotypical characters, yet I see some rather stereotypical lingo being used here, by the very same folks complaining about Tyler. Although I respect many of you, at the same time, you're using the same kind of lingo some of Tyler's characters use, and that you are complaining about. So why complain about him, when you're displaying the same type of "lingo" some of Tyler's stereotypical characters use? I mean there is a time when some of us should sit down and check ourselves for a minute, you know what I mean. I mean no disrespect at all though.
It's like ranting and raving about using the "n" word, but then some of you turn around and find another way of using that "n" word in a different form, but get mad if someone outside of your race do it. I'm just pointing out like what Gray said, as sometimes Black folk can be their own worst enemies...and yes I said it, and even though I did, and still respect most of you though. 
[Edited 10/26/09 13:40pm] Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we ain't got to agree, which is what I've said all along. As for whatever "lingo" I choose to use I really don't care what anyone thinks about it cuz I'm grown and it ain't that serious to me. That doesn't preclude me from having an opinion on Tyler or anything else for that matter and it doesn't diminish my opinion. Obviously I don't care how others view my using the word or else I'd censor myself and I choose not to. Black folks aren't all offended or take issue with the same things. So I don't care, just as I'm sure Tyler couldn't care less about what his detractors think about him.  You're right. Regardless of our differences on the terms or how you choose to use it is your choice. I wasn't singling you out, and not saying you can't use specific terms on site you choose to converse on. I am basically pointing out that that some folks are complaining about the way some of Tyler's characters present or express themselves, yet using the same type of lingo or dialect some of Tyler Perry's minstrel/stereotypical use. I mean I could go through this thread, and take some quotes of folks here using that same lingo, and create an entire episode of "Meet The Browns" for free, and Tyler wouldn't even have to pay me. It's like someone beating their wife's ass, yet claim their against domestic abuse, so how would you expect anyone to take your argument or opinion seriously? That was my point. There are differences between Tyler and Spike because they are from different social backgrounds. Thing is Tyler isn't afraid to display personalities within the Black community that exists. Every community has its own culture. You go to New Orleans, New York, Virginia, Florida, Mississippi, Atlanta, Long Island, NY, The Vineyards, The Continent of Africa, The Caribbean, and you know there's a lot of broken English that is considered the standard dialect in many parts of the Caribbean, and over the years, many people, especially from the states , have made fun of people from the West Indian culture and how they express themselves, mainly they don't understand or are ignorant of the various dialects of broken English, spoken among many Caribbeans from various islands, and I am not saying they are all like that, but when many people of West Indian culture go "home" as they say, and visit their families, you can bet many, not all, are speaking in their familiar dialects when they are around their family, much of the time. Sheesh, my entire family starting from my parents and back, are from the Caribbean, and I have to laugh at some of the dialect myself, but I don't do it in an insulting way. I have a lot of respect for you Scndls, regardless of our differences on this topic. [Edited 10/26/09 17:03pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: ThreadBare said: Wait, that's not the n-word. It's "black" in Spanish. You can hear that phrase on "Good times." Surely, that's not pushing the envelope in 2009. Honestly, now. There's offensiveness and then there's contextual accuracy. It's a fine line, admittedly, but still... That being snipped is a little surreal. [Edited 10/25/09 19:43pm] WTF?? So NOW, we can't use the word Negro??? That's now being viewed as the "n-word"??? Really??? When did this shit happen? I didn't get the memo. Rev Al and the NAACP musta lost my address. Folks really need to go lay down somewhere. WORD! I almost got fired because I used the word "Negro" in an email. My position was: "Ever heard of the United Negro College Fund?" | |
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2elijah said: SCNDLS said: Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we ain't got to agree, which is what I've said all along. As for whatever "lingo" I choose to use I really don't care what anyone thinks about it cuz I'm grown and it ain't that serious to me. That doesn't preclude me from having an opinion on Tyler or anything else for that matter and it doesn't diminish my opinion. Obviously I don't care how others view my using the word or else I'd censor myself and I choose not to. Black folks aren't all offended or take issue with the same things. So I don't care, just as I'm sure Tyler couldn't care less about what his detractors think about him. You're right. Regardless of our differences on the terms or how you choose to use it is your choice. I wasn't singling you out, and not saying you can't use specific terms on site you choose to converse on. I am basically pointing out that that some folks are complaining about the way some of Tyler's characters present or express themselves, yet using the same type of lingo or dialect some of Tyler Perry's minstrel/stereotypical use. I mean I could go through this thread, and take some quotes of folks here using that same lingo, and create an entire episode of "Meet The Browns" for free, and Tyler wouldn't even have to pay me. It's like someone beating their wife's ass, yet claim their against domestic abuse. That was my point. I have a lot of respect for you Scndls, regardless of our differences on this topic. Honey please! If you do write it, you better charge Tyler's ass AND get a new job out the deal!  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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2elijah said: SCNDLS said: Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we ain't got to agree, which is what I've said all along. As for whatever "lingo" I choose to use I really don't care what anyone thinks about it cuz I'm grown and it ain't that serious to me. That doesn't preclude me from having an opinion on Tyler or anything else for that matter and it doesn't diminish my opinion. Obviously I don't care how others view my using the word or else I'd censor myself and I choose not to. Black folks aren't all offended or take issue with the same things. So I don't care, just as I'm sure Tyler couldn't care less about what his detractors think about him. You're right. Regardless of our differences on the terms or how you choose to use it is your choice. I wasn't singling you out, and not saying you can't use specific terms on site you choose to converse on. I am basically pointing out that that some folks are complaining about the way some of Tyler's characters present or express themselves, yet using the same type of lingo or dialect some of Tyler Perry's minstrel/stereotypical use. I mean I could go through this thread, and take some quotes of folks here using that same lingo, and create an entire episode of "Meet The Browns" for free, and Tyler wouldn't even have to pay me. It's like someone beating their wife's ass, yet claim their against domestic abuse. That was my point. I have a lot of respect for you Scndls, regardless of our differences on this topic. Back at cha, hun.
My issue with TP isn't the language that he uses or even the characters that he chooses to focus on. I just don't think he's a good writer OR director and I don't find his stuff the least bit entertaining or engaging. And I have already shared my distate on other threads about him being YET another black male actor that needs to put on a dress and wig to make a movie. It's quite obvious that he has his audience and a lot of people adore TP. Goody for them. There's more than enough out there to keep me enthralled but that don't mean that I can't discuss why I think his work is problematic. | |
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Shyra said: SCNDLS said: WTF?? So NOW, we can't use the word Negro??? That's now being viewed as the "n-word"??? Really??? When did this shit happen? I didn't get the memo. Rev Al and the NAACP musta lost my address. Folks really need to go lay down somewhere. WORD! I almost got fired because I used the word "Negro" in an email. My position was: "Ever heard of the United Negro College Fund?"  What's REALLY goin' on??? But don't lose your job now. | |
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SCNDLS said: 2elijah said: You're right. Regardless of our differences on the terms or how you choose to use it is your choice. I wasn't singling you out, and not saying you can't use specific terms on site you choose to converse on. I am basically pointing out that that some folks are complaining about the way some of Tyler's characters present or express themselves, yet using the same type of lingo or dialect some of Tyler Perry's minstrel/stereotypical use. I mean I could go through this thread, and take some quotes of folks here using that same lingo, and create an entire episode of "Meet The Browns" for free, and Tyler wouldn't even have to pay me. It's like someone beating their wife's ass, yet claim their against domestic abuse. That was my point. I have a lot of respect for you Scndls, regardless of our differences on this topic. Back at cha, hun.
My issue with TP isn't the language that he uses or even the characters that he chooses to focus on. I just don't think he's a good writer OR director and I don't find his stuff the least bit entertaining or engaging. And I have already shared my distate on other threads about him being YET another black male actor that needs to put on a dress and wig to make a movie. It's quite obvious that he has his audience and a lot of people adore TP. Goody for them. There's more than enough out there to keep me enthralled but that don't mean that I can't discuss why I think his work is problematic. I hear you loud and clear and respect your opinion. [Edited 10/26/09 16:50pm] | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: 2elijah said: You're right. Regardless of our differences on the terms or how you choose to use it is your choice. I wasn't singling you out, and not saying you can't use specific terms on site you choose to converse on. I am basically pointing out that that some folks are complaining about the way some of Tyler's characters present or express themselves, yet using the same type of lingo or dialect some of Tyler Perry's minstrel/stereotypical use. I mean I could go through this thread, and take some quotes of folks here using that same lingo, and create an entire episode of "Meet The Browns" for free, and Tyler wouldn't even have to pay me. It's like someone beating their wife's ass, yet claim their against domestic abuse. That was my point. I have a lot of respect for you Scndls, regardless of our differences on this topic. Honey please! If you do write it, you better charge Tyler's ass AND get a new job out the deal! I was kidding... | |
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