no body ever says anything about judd apatow who has written and directed such white trash flicks as:

knocked up
talledega nights
40 year old virgin
superbad
step brothers

SCNDLS said:

It's the "he appeals to a certain demographic" nonsense, that's the first problem. Who exactly is his "certain demographic" anyway and what is with your disdain regarding them?

I brought up the statistics to illustrate that Tyler's movies have to be attracting more than a "certain demographic" to obviously make the money that he has.

The second problem is this discussion is not "about the quality, or lack thereof, of his work". It's about Spike Lee saying some insulting things about Tyler's work that he took offense to and responded to which I agreed with his response.

Now if we're going to talk "quality and any lack there of", let's be sure to include Spike's movies too, shall we because there's plenty of sucking and not holding a candle to to be made on both sides.

The third problem is I haven't said anything about the movie "Precious", yet you seem so certain that Tyler's audience would not enjoy this movie. I'd really like to know why it is you feel that way?

From everything I've heard and seen of the movie, I actually think Tyler's audience will greatly enjoy it. Tyler and Oprah must agree because they've put their money into it to make sure that it is able to be seen on as many screens as possible. Which I also happen to think was a nice and very generous thing to do for a "gritty indie art film", why don't you?

SCNDLS said:

Daniels already said his mother and her friends down in south said why can't you make movies like Tyler Perry.

Perry isn't my cup of tea but neither is Michael Bay--noting that they are apples and oranges to begin with. If we're speaking race there are dozens of white directors to offset the horror that is the Transformers franchise and not much to counter the Madea franchise. I think if there were, people wouldn't feel so passionate about his movies whether for or against.

It will be interesting to see if Spike responds.

Eh...bofofem need to stop with the jealousy/hateration. They both owe a great deal to that Melvin Peebles/Peoples dude and Bill Cosby who paved the way for independent black film. Buffoonery (sp) is relative. One man's buffoon is another man's grandma. I'm glad for Perry that he is building his empire and giving black actors, writers, artists, cameramen, stylists, editors, etc WORK. There is room for both of these dudes in the business. I mean dayum...you don't see Edward James Olmos and George Lopez having beef.

no body ever says anything about judd apatow who has written and directed such white trash flicks as:

knocked up
talledega nights
40 year old virgin
superbad
step brothers

Then again, buffoonery will sell way more than reality.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

No, the first problem is that you are applying my response to a whole host of other topics that I wasn't even talking about in my post that YOU responded to. In that post, I wasn't talking about Spike or his comments which I haven't heard.

I was clearly focusing on how I don't think Tyler's numbers have anything to do with the quality of HIS work. I didn't compare him to Spike in that post. However, I already talked about Spike's inconsistent work in another post and what I see as their fundamental differences. I view Spike as an artist, while Tyler is a businessman with ZERO artistry in his work. That's my opinion and you don't have to agree.

And like it or not he DOES appeal to a certain demographic. Everyone knows that and HE acknowledges that as well, so what's your problem?

As for talking about Precious, Jackie and I WERE specifically discussing his and Oprah's minimal involvement in that movie and YOU responded to that post by quoting his financials. See Reply #43. So, why are you saying you weren't talking about Precious? That's what MY post was about.

Furthermore where did I say I was "certain" his audience wouldn't like Precious? My exact words: "something tells me that his audience isn't going to necessarily enjoy this movie" That smacks of certainty to you??? Okay . . .

Anyway, I don't like Tyler's work, prolly never will, a bunch of folks obviously do, while many other don't, and that's okay. Everything ain't for everybody and it ain't that serious.
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Before I watch what Perry said, what did Spike say?

Vendetta1 said:

Here, sis!

On stereotypical images of blacks in the media:

Each artist should be allowed to pursue their artistic endeavors but I still think there is a lot of stuff out today that is “coonery” and buffoonery. I know it’s making a lot of money and breaking records, but we can do better. … I am a huge basketball fan, and when I watch the games on TNT, I see these two ads for these two shows (Tyler Perry’s "Meet the Browns" and "House of Payne") and I am scratching my head. … We got a black president and we going back to Mantan Moreland and Sleep ‘n’ Eat?


On Tyler Perry and what the black consumer (really) wants to see:

We’ve had this discussion back and forth. When John Singleton [made Boyz in the Hood], people came out to see it. But when he did Rosewood, nobody showed up. So a lot of this is on us! You vote with your pocketbook, your wallet. You vote with your time sitting in front of the idiot box, and [Tyler Perry] has a huge audience. We shouldn’t think that Tyler Perry is going to make the same film that I am going to make, or that John Singleton or my cousin Malcolm Lee [would make]. As African Americans, we’re not one monolithic group so there is room for all of that. But at the same time, for me, the imaging is troubling and it harkens back to Amos n’ Andy.

http://www.eurweb.com/sto...r53522.cfm

Vendetta1 said:

Here, sis!

On stereotypical images of blacks in the media:

Each artist should be allowed to pursue their artistic endeavors but I still think there is a lot of stuff out today that is “coonery” and buffoonery. I know it’s making a lot of money and breaking records, but we can do better. … I am a huge basketball fan, and when I watch the games on TNT, I see these two ads for these two shows (Tyler Perry’s "Meet the Browns" and "House of Payne") and I am scratching my head. … We got a black president and we going back to Mantan Moreland and Sleep ‘n’ Eat?


On Tyler Perry and what the black consumer (really) wants to see:

We’ve had this discussion back and forth. When John Singleton [made Boyz in the Hood], people came out to see it. But when he did Rosewood, nobody showed up. So a lot of this is on us! You vote with your pocketbook, your wallet. You vote with your time sitting in front of the idiot box, and [Tyler Perry] has a huge audience. We shouldn’t think that Tyler Perry is going to make the same film that I am going to make, or that John Singleton or my cousin Malcolm Lee [would make]. As African Americans, we’re not one monolithic group so there is room for all of that. But at the same time, for me, the imaging is troubling and it harkens back to Amos n’ Andy.

http://www.eurweb.com/sto...r53522.cfm

Harlepolis said:

1000% TRUTH and Tyler didn't really respond to this in the 60 minutes clip I saw.

Vendetta1 said:

Here, sis!

On stereotypical images of blacks in the media:

Each artist should be allowed to pursue their artistic endeavors but I still think there is a lot of stuff out today that is “coonery” and buffoonery. I know it’s making a lot of money and breaking records, but we can do better. … I am a huge basketball fan, and when I watch the games on TNT, I see these two ads for these two shows (Tyler Perry’s "Meet the Browns" and "House of Payne") and I am scratching my head. … We got a black president and we going back to Mantan Moreland and Sleep ‘n’ Eat?


On Tyler Perry and what the black consumer (really) wants to see:

We’ve had this discussion back and forth. When John Singleton [made Boyz in the Hood], people came out to see it. But when he did Rosewood, nobody showed up. So a lot of this is on us! You vote with your pocketbook, your wallet. You vote with your time sitting in front of the idiot box, and [Tyler Perry] has a huge audience. We shouldn’t think that Tyler Perry is going to make the same film that I am going to make, or that John Singleton or my cousin Malcolm Lee [would make]. As African Americans, we’re not one monolithic group so there is room for all of that. But at the same time, for me, the imaging is troubling and it harkens back to Amos n’ Andy.

http://www.eurweb.com/sto...r53522.cfm

Harlepolis said:

I love Malcolm Lee films!

And any CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, is "hating" its the old "ride the bandwagon" game.

I hate that passive attitude, I don't see any problem with challanging the work/product that you are PAYING for with your own hard earned money.

And any CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, is "hating" its the old "ride the bandwagon" game.

I hate that passive attitude, I don't see any problem with challanging the work/product that you are PAYING for with your own hard earned money.

Harlepolis said:

Right! The one thing I can't stand about Tyler Perry is that when any of films or shows come out, he MUST have his name in the title for some reason. "Tyler Perry's Meet the Browns", "Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married", "Tyler Perry's Madea Goes to Jail"...I don't get it? Why does he have to put his official stamp on everything? Is it that serious?

Harlepolis said:

did Perry actually say Spike was hating?

Perry and Spike could form a partnership and get Spike's actually good movies made.

missfee said:

That is quite annoying. Him and Oprah have done the same thing with Precious which has people thinking they were more involved in its production than they were.

Harlepolis said:

did Perry actually say Spike was hating?

Perry and Spike could form a partnership and get Spike's actually good movies made.

DesireeNevermind said:

I hate all those kinds of movies. Will Ferrel is another one that can disappear forever. Again, different strokes.

SCNDLS said:

Why did my cousin just razzed me about Tyler Perry's new movie? She said that his "new movie" will close my smart mouth

Tyler's new movie, now thats a joke.....

DesireeNevermind said:

Oh damn

I mean thats how I feel too. Why can't they just both agree to disagree? They have two different styles. Spike is more on showing the world of African American culture that is rarely seen in the media and Hollywood while Tyler is more on making his audience laugh and leave with a lesson. That's it in a nutshell. If they have issues with each other then why can't they sit down and discuss from one movie director to another. Give and take some notes and tips.....or are egos to far involved? Sure, Spike is a better director than Tyler, but Tyler's just making more money than Spike. Then again, buffoonery will sell way more than reality.

missfee said:

But he wasn't mad at Tyler. He was asked a specific question about Tyler and he gave a truthful and insightful answer from his perspective. Folks on here are acting like he called a press conference specifically to call Tyler out, which he didn't.



Egos clashing and it's all over money! Ye ole house negro versus field negro scenario playing itself out in the media. The fact of the matter is, there are many kinds of people in the world and they all need something to relate to on film. I hated the movie soulplane but apparently there was enough of an audience for the producers to recoup their investment. Perry is making money hand over fist. He has had some misses though, I don't think "The family that Preys" did as well as his Madea flicks but again, it's about what the people want to see. Spikes "Miracle at St. Ana" was damned good but made little money. He can't be mad at Perry, he has to be mad at the black folk who stayed home.

DesireeNevermind said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

No, the first problem is that you are applying my response to a whole host of other topics that I wasn't even talking about in my post that YOU responded to. In that post, I wasn't talking about Spike or his comments which I haven't heard.

I was clearly focusing on how I don't think Tyler's numbers have anything to do with the quality of HIS work. I didn't compare him to Spike in that post. However, I already talked about Spike's inconsistent work in another post and what I see as their fundamental differences. I view Spike as an artist, while Tyler is a businessman with ZERO artistry in his work. That's my opinion and you don't have to agree.

And like it or not he DOES appeal to a certain demographic. Everyone knows that and HE acknowledges that as well, so what's your problem?

As for talking about Precious, Jackie and I WERE specifically discussing his and Oprah's minimal involvement in that movie and YOU responded to that post by quoting his financials. See Reply #43. So, why are you saying you weren't talking about Precious? That's what MY post was about.

Furthermore where did I say I was "certain" his audience wouldn't like Precious? My exact words: "something tells me that his audience isn't going to necessarily enjoy this movie" That smacks of certainty to you??? Okay . . .

Anyway, I don't like Tyler's work, prolly never will, a bunch of folks obviously do, while many other don't, and that's okay. Everything ain't for everybody and it ain't that serious.
[Edited 10/26/09 10:48am]

SCNDLS said:

I don't have time for the emphasis, the dramatics or any of the other bs. You keep specifying that Tyler Perry has a "certain demographic". I want you to explain to me what you think his "certain demographic" is and then I'll decide whether I like the connotation or not.

As far as the rest of what you're talking about, I really do not care.

SCNDLS said:

Yeah but I think he (Spike) knew what the reaction from most people would be. I think the person asking the question knew that. There is something underlying here...I think maybe some folk for whatever reason want to see discord between the two ranking black filmmakers of today. I mean if F. Gary Gray or Carl Franklin get asked to comment on Perry then I will not be suspicious but until then...