Oh and FYI: I am far to cheep and lazy to even hand out candy much less books about anything. I hope to not be home that night.

If your kid gets one, read it, or not.

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I know! If your kid is allergic to bananas I am sure you as a parent would go through the candy to make sure it is all something you KNOW is safe from him to eat (but have the pen ready just in case).

So if you or your kid are allergic to Jesus, throw it out. But have a pen ready just in case!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I would normally agree with you guys on this but...
It is a totally over-the-line thing to pass out to kids. Especially trynna pass it off as a "fun" treat.

It's not up to another person to talk to anyone's kids about religion or to try and recruit them.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i may have...well, i DID, come off as militant or over aggressive. These r simply trains of thought that go on in my mind. Talking a big game so to speak. In reality, if I showed up at your door and slipped a jesus book or whatever they are in my kids sack, I would simply say "thank U" and walk away. I know I don't like people pushing/sharing views on/with me that I don't care to discuss in public with strangers, so I return the favor I desire and don't do the same to them. I'm not one to go on with a big dramatic outburst or even a small discussion.

Do I really wish a jesus book wouldn't go in the bag....YES

am i going to take measures to eliminate that possibility...NO..it's not my place and it shouldn't happen.

what really frustrate me the most, having it seem that people who practice a religion with a bullet point being tollerance, lack an ability to balance the tolerance of others views with their desire to get everyone "into heavan," so to speak.


me and my child came to the door for a trick or treat...not a sermon, religious education, a watchtower, or any other religious paraphernalia. A lack of respect for what other might or might not believe is disregarded.

if YOU came to MY door and I handed out pamphlets promoting/PUSHING athiesm...would U NOT be angry...U would'nt yeall at me or anything of the like. But PLEASE don't deny the fact that U would be angered that Athiesm was being exposed to your child.
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johnart said:

Too true...

PanthaGirl said:

THANK YOU!!!!


would a "gimmie an amen" be inappropriate here for an atheist to say?

johnart said:

but that is the RISK you take when you let your kids go door to door asking for stuff. It is perfectly legal for anyone to try to talk or recruit anyone into any religion as long as the target is there voluntarily. There is NO debate on that fact. Free speech + Freedom of Religion= i can do just that to your kids if they come to my house.

BobGeorge909 said:

What did the agnostic say to the atheist? I say 'amen brother'...

BobGeorge909 said:

I know, I was being dramatic as well! It is just one of the risks you accept when you leave your home and go out in public or more so on to someone's private property.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Yah it is a risk I suppose, just for the record I don't trick or treat as I'm not from the USA but on the other hand the peep dishing out the religious crap is formally abusing the situation especially by targeting a child.

One year when I was a kid, a neighbor handed out COMIC BOOKS on Halloween. Real Marvel comic books.




Yeah, we went around for seconds.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it's within my right to spew hate speech, wave swastika flags, all on the sidewalk across the street from a synagogue. It's within my right to burn crosses on my lawn. It's within my right to call someone a honky/spic/nigger/beaner if they come to my door. Is it appropriate or nice or anything of the like...ABSOLUTELY NOT. Just because U HAVE the right to do something doesn't MAKE it right or morally acceptable.


I DON'T think it's morally acceptable to make attempts educate other peoples children in religious respects. Do U have the legal right to...sure. I also have the legal right to fart in your face.

When we go trick-or-treating we make sure to go to only the homes that are decorated for Halloween. If they are not decorated or a light isn't on, we avoid the house. But to me, if a house is all lit up and decorated for Halloween and then the person who lives there gives out religious pamphlets, that is like a "bait-and-switch" sale at Best Buy.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Being "legal" doesn't mean it's right. Being legal doesn't mean it's socially acceptable. Absolutely someone can preach from their front door on halloween and not get arrested, but I certainly can have an opinion that what they are doing is annoying and wrong.

CarrieMpls said:

Right.
A lot of legal things are douchebaggy. Recruiting other people's kids into religion is pretty up there on my list.

And trick or treat used to mean you pass out CANDY. Kids are asking for candy, not "stuff". It's grown ass idiots who gotta change that around to suit their assholish ways.

johnart said:

Both fine points. And I do agree for the most part. My rants would be the same if you were passing out info on any religion or political or any other thing other than candy (as long as it was legal and intrinsically safe) or other treats or toys or whatnot. Defending the right to do so in light of the OP and posts that did suggest in doing so was a violation of a person's right FROM religion is in no way condoning it.

Hell I might pass out some Prince CDRs.... Now wouldn't that be funky!

In the end, at least when I was a kid, we found out pretty fast who was giving out the good stuff and who was giving out the garbage. Same would happen today. Word gets out. Hell it might be worth it to pass out bibles just so I would be left alone!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

your attempt to bridge this discusson to a topic we would all seem to agree on is thinner than Calista. The name of the game on holloween is trick or treats, that are reasonably appropriate. Even passing out Prince cd-r's ain't appropriate. THere are views expressed in prince's music that aren't cool exposing to people who you don't know where there views fall. Prince's music just isn't geared towards children. Little Red Corvette is EXPRESSELY about a loose womans vagina. 1999 is about the end of the world...Purple Rain is about a similar topic. These r all things that children at one point or another should lean and whatnot, but PARENTS should have the opportunity to teach there children about these things and not the stranger 2 streets down who shoulda passed out a candy or an apple or a tooth brush or age appropriate comic books, writing talets. These are the things parents are prepared for and the reasons they send there kid out there. Marilyn Manson, In my opinion, has some GREAT songs and address IMPORTANT topics such as materialism and social awareness. Is it a good thing to throw in a candy bag

Why aren't some able to hold back on things they share with others.

I think I'm wrong, but I'm forced to believe there's a good degree of arrogance floating in their mind leading them to believe that anything they believe is inherently good, so therefore, everyone must agree with it and allow it to happen.


it'd be "Funky" u said? I guess it would be, but not in the stanky-gimmie-some-mo kinda way. Funky in the that-ain't-kool kinda way.
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Folk passing out religious materials as Halloween treats woulda risked witnessing an egg and tp rain of BIBLICAL proportions upon their house.

At least back when I was trick or treatin.

They're better than raisins!
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BobGeorge909 said:



For one I would pick songs that were okay for kids. There are some. And 2 I know what his songs are about. AND 3rd I said "funky" not 'okay'




Which is why if I had kids I would LOOK THROUGH THE BAG and decide what they could and could not have. If I saw a CD I would give it a listen (or just toss it) first.




No one is this scenario is being forced to do anything. You rang the door bell, you need to keep in mind you may or may not like what you get! If it seems objectionable (the idea of being able to live forever in what is actually a socialist utopia is a threat to anyone is beyond me) to you LEAVE!


You do not get to pick the treat and sometimes the trick is on you! It is part of the risk of ringing a door bell.
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NDRU said:

I like raisins...stop hatin' on raisins. So what if they give U the poops.

johnart said:

yeah...what u said!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It HAS been a risk, it WILL be a rick. That doesn't deter from the fact that it SHOULDN'T be a risk. Just the fact that YOU call it a risk leads me to believe U know it ain't right.


Also...U're implying to parents that U know what is good for their kids. These kids range from 2 to 19. How the hells do U know what a parent thinks is appropriate for their 6 y/o.

johnart said:

Well yeah! Or if you were out with me something far worst.

But that is a crime and has possible legal and financial consequences.
But the things I did, were not on Halloween Night, that it far too risky. Give a few weeks.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Or go back and sleep with their wife 5 years later.
TRICK! Jesus loves you!
That's for that religious bullshit you gave me instead of candy MF!

Ok, maybe not that.

johnart said:

I agree it's lame, but yeah I also agree it's totally within a person's rights to give out whatever they want for halloween. People come to your door expecting a handout, give them whatever you want--if you choose to give anything at all!

I ran out of candy once and gave out pennies. Honestly, that's even more worthless than biblical cartoons, but the kids liked it

johnart said:

kind of like



or the joke:

Little Johnny came walking into a brothel, behind him he was dragging a dead, dried, and flat frog in a string. Little Johnny immediately went over to the Madam and said, "I want a whore, and she's to have: AIDS, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and the whole package." The Madam glances down at little Johnny and answers. "There aren't any girls like that around here, and besides, you're far too young to go to brothels!"

Little Johnny smiles for himself, and gets $500 from his pocket, smacks them on the counter and repeats, "I want a whore, and she's to have: AIDS, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and the whole package." The Madam shrugs and sighs, "Well, like I said: You're far to young to be going to brothels, and besides, we don't have girls like that here! Ok?" Little Johnny smiles for himself, gets another $500 from his pocket, smacks them in the counter and once again repeats, "I want a whore, and she's to have: AIDS, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and the whole package." The Madam examines him with her eyes, then counts the money and says, "I'll see what I can do, wait right here." She disappears out the back door and is gone for a while.

Johnny patiently waits with the dead, dried, and flat frog in a string. After about 10 minutes she returns and tells little Johnny that he can go through one of the doors. Little Johnny thanks her and enters, still dragging the dead, dried, and flat frog in a string behind him. Johnny disappears through the door, and is still in there after a couple of hours, which by the way is pretty good for a 7-8 year old. After a few hours he comes out with a broad smile on his face and heads for the front door, still dragging the dead, dried, and flat frog in a string behind him.

When he passes the Madam she cannot hold herself, so she asks. "Do you realize what you've just done, you've infected yourself with one, if not many of these diseases, which are extremely unpleasant, not to say deadly?" Little Johnny looks at her, smiles and says, "I know, but it's a part of my plan you see."

"Your plan?" "Yep. You see, when I come home this evening I have a baby sitter watching me. And her head is a bit messed up, so even though I'm a little young... she still does it to me. And then she gets AIDS, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and the whole package."

"And?" "And when my parents come home, my dad will have to drive the baby sitter home, and since she's so sexy and willing he cannot keep his fingers away. And then he gets AIDS, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and the whole package."

"Then what?" "And when dad comes home he must hide from my mum that he's been cheating on her, so he'll have to do her too. And then she gets AIDS, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and the whole package." "Ok?" "Well... tomorrow when my dad's at work, the mailman comes to see my mum. And then he gets AIDS, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia and the whole package and that was the #(@*&% who stepped on my frog !!!!

NDRU said:

But people aren't asking for a "handout" as in, they're standin at a traffic light askin for money. We must remember that this is about kids and fun and keep things in that spirit.
This is not the time for recruiting of any kind. Let kids be kids is my point, and grown folk keep their/our serious and pious/political bullshit to them/ourselves. If just for a few damn hours.
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