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Professional Sports salaries There's not pertinent topic in the news about this, I was just wondering what the org thought about pro sports salaries.
Most people complain about the amount of money pro athletes receive, that it's wrong to complain about not making enough, etc. The thing is, the money is there. People keep spending money on tickets, hats, shirts, misc. memorabilia, so somebody's getting paid. Sure, we could lower their salaries, but then the only people who would get the money would be the owners, the corporate structure, a.k.a. "The Man." Is that what we want? Even better - say you're really good at your job, and the money your company makes depends on your performance. Then all the money goes to your boss as your company (team) keeps raking in the profits. Is that OK, or would you speak up about it? If you're going to complain about pro sports, I suggest complaining about the cost of the tickets and the merchandise. Less money to be made means less money for the "heroes" on the field. | |
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tommyalma said: There's not pertinent topic in the news about this, I was just wondering what the org thought about pro sports salaries.
Most people complain about the amount of money pro athletes receive, that it's wrong to complain about not making enough, etc. The thing is, the money is there. People keep spending money on tickets, hats, shirts, misc. memorabilia, so somebody's getting paid. Sure, we could lower their salaries, but then the only people who would get the money would be the owners, the corporate structure, a.k.a. "The Man." Is that what we want? Even better - say you're really good at your job, and the money your company makes depends on your performance. Then all the money goes to your boss as your company (team) keeps raking in the profits. Is that OK, or would you speak up about it? If you're going to complain about pro sports, I suggest complaining about the cost of the tickets and the merchandise. Less money to be made means less money for the "heroes" on the field. Exactly... the prices should be lowered and the salaries should be lowered. It is a goddamned shame when TEACHERS make about $35,000 a year and some asshole throwing a fucking ball makes millions. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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And some asshole sitting behind a desk makes BILLIONS.
The key is we need better balance all the way around. The pros get paid because they can do something very few of us could do at that level.They punish themselves to the point most can barely walk by age 60.But i do agree that pro sports saleries are way too high.But then so are supermodels and actors.The needs to be a balance(income caps)all the way around,but you cannot have that in a capitalistic society.So teachers and firemen and policemen get paid a small percentage of what celebrities make.Athletic or otherwise. | |
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IceNine said: tommyalma said: There's not pertinent topic in the news about this, I was just wondering what the org thought about pro sports salaries.
Most people complain about the amount of money pro athletes receive, that it's wrong to complain about not making enough, etc. The thing is, the money is there. People keep spending money on tickets, hats, shirts, misc. memorabilia, so somebody's getting paid. Sure, we could lower their salaries, but then the only people who would get the money would be the owners, the corporate structure, a.k.a. "The Man." Is that what we want? Even better - say you're really good at your job, and the money your company makes depends on your performance. Then all the money goes to your boss as your company (team) keeps raking in the profits. Is that OK, or would you speak up about it? If you're going to complain about pro sports, I suggest complaining about the cost of the tickets and the merchandise. Less money to be made means less money for the "heroes" on the field. Exactly... the prices should be lowered and the salaries should be lowered. It is a goddamned shame when TEACHERS make about $35,000 a year and some asshole throwing a fucking ball makes millions. But how is lowering prices at baseball games and lowering Roger Clemens salary going to help teachers? That argument fundamentally doesn't make sense. I'm not saying that teachers don't deserve more money; I just don't think that teachers can be compared to athletes. No offense to teachers; but virtually anyone can teach, but very few people (if any) can throw a football like Brett Favre. The only reason I would like lower salaries is because some teams can afford to pay the salaries and others cannot therefore making the teams very unbalanced. | |
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4LOVE said: And some asshole sitting behind a desk makes BILLIONS.
The key is we need better balance all the way around. The pros get paid because they can do something very few of us could do at that level.They punish themselves to the point most can barely walk by age 60.But i do agree that pro sports saleries are way too high.But then so are supermodels and actors.The needs to be a balance(income caps)all the way around,but you cannot have that in a capitalistic society.So teachers and firemen and policemen get paid a small percentage of what celebrities make.Athletic or otherwise. It is a huge problem... I agree... Teachers, policemen, firemen and the like should be paid much more, as they are responsible for the education and protection of people in our country. Their salaries are a function of their perceived value in society... sports bring in a lot of money, therefore the better players make a ton of money... it is a simple formula and you better believe that the people who own the teams are making MORE than the players... that is a shame, but it is capitalism and I can't argue with it too much... I only wish that we could get more money for the teachers and people who actually make a REAL difference in society. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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lovemachine said: IceNine said: tommyalma said: There's not pertinent topic in the news about this, I was just wondering what the org thought about pro sports salaries.
Most people complain about the amount of money pro athletes receive, that it's wrong to complain about not making enough, etc. The thing is, the money is there. People keep spending money on tickets, hats, shirts, misc. memorabilia, so somebody's getting paid. Sure, we could lower their salaries, but then the only people who would get the money would be the owners, the corporate structure, a.k.a. "The Man." Is that what we want? Even better - say you're really good at your job, and the money your company makes depends on your performance. Then all the money goes to your boss as your company (team) keeps raking in the profits. Is that OK, or would you speak up about it? If you're going to complain about pro sports, I suggest complaining about the cost of the tickets and the merchandise. Less money to be made means less money for the "heroes" on the field. Exactly... the prices should be lowered and the salaries should be lowered. It is a goddamned shame when TEACHERS make about $35,000 a year and some asshole throwing a fucking ball makes millions. But how is lowering prices at baseball games and lowering Roger Clemens salary going to help teachers? That argument fundamentally doesn't make sense. I'm not saying that teachers don't deserve more money; I just don't think that teachers can be compared to athletes. No offense to teachers; but virtually anyone can teach, but very few people (if any) can throw a football like Brett Favre. The only reason I would like lower salaries is because some teams can afford to pay the salaries and others cannot therefore making the teams very unbalanced. Hey, he's just making the comparison that salaries are unbalanced for the level of actual importance. And not just anyone can be an effective teacher. Anybody can throw a ball...and it's a shame we don't recognize good teachers like we recognize good football players, because it's the teachers who really matter. | |
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Yeah...the owners of the teams should make more because they provide the players with the opportunity to be famous and play a game for a living...that does makes sense. | |
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It is a matter of supply and demand... as long as the public will pay $300 or so to take their family to a football game, the greedy owners will take the cash. Why does a Coke cost $4 and a bowl of nachos cost $4.50? I am not sure what ticket prices are, but I go to hockey games and tickets are often $75 for seats that are NOT by the ice, so I can assume that football, baseball and basketball tickets are pretty damned steep too. The greed involved is monumental, but it will continue as long as the market will bear it. SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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IceNine said: 4LOVE said: And some asshole sitting behind a desk makes BILLIONS.
The key is we need better balance all the way around. The pros get paid because they can do something very few of us could do at that level.They punish themselves to the point most can barely walk by age 60.But i do agree that pro sports saleries are way too high.But then so are supermodels and actors.The needs to be a balance(income caps)all the way around,but you cannot have that in a capitalistic society.So teachers and firemen and policemen get paid a small percentage of what celebrities make.Athletic or otherwise. It is a huge problem... I agree... Teachers, policemen, firemen and the like should be paid much more, as they are responsible for the education and protection of people in our country. Their salaries are a function of their perceived value in society... sports bring in a lot of money, therefore the better players make a ton of money... it is a simple formula and you better believe that the people who own the teams are making MORE than the players... that is a shame, but it is capitalism and I can't argue with it too much... I only wish that we could get more money for the teachers and people who actually make a REAL difference in society. Why not argue with it? Can there be a more responsible capitalism? I also think it's a shame that more $$ aren't going toward education and teaching. It would be wonderful if state governments could implement something with sports that is similar to the lottery programs that many states have now. Without raising prices, they could use some of the revenue from game tickets and merchandise to suppliment educational funding. It would just take a small salary cut on the owners/players end to do this. But, with greedy pro athletes going on strike every few years, I realize that there is a slim chance of this happening.  [This message was edited Tue Jan 7 7:36:47 PST 2003 by applekisses] | |
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Until schools are privatized you'll never see stallar results with high salaries...
One sports star serves millions. One teacher serves a few dozen. Also, teaching isn't an altogether uncommon skill--whereas only a handful of people can do what Tiger Woods does. I know, the teacher's job is more important--but it is very common and that gets priced into the salary. The best teachers break out of the state-run mold and find other ways to educate people of all ages--usually through some kind of mass media. And they get paid. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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Oddly enough:
Player salaries get taxed Owner Salaries get taxed Merchandise and ticket sales are taxed Supplementary jobs create income that is taxed Alot of that can go to City taxes which go school systems. The problem is when the org requires tax breaks in those cities; thus, the only monies that get taxes are the above and NOT the real estate. ANyway, it can be argued that there is more money being spent so jobs that are funded by taxation benefit. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Dauphin said: Oddly enough:
Player salaries get taxed Owner Salaries get taxed Merchandise and ticket sales are taxed Supplementary jobs create income that is taxed Alot of that can go to City taxes which go school systems. The problem is when the org requires tax breaks in those cities; thus, the only monies that get taxes are the above and NOT the real estate. ANyway, it can be argued that there is more money being spent so jobs that are funded by taxation benefit. Good point and most states have a system in place where visiting players need to pay state income taxes on the percentage of money they make in that state. It's worth millions to a state to have a pro sports team. | |
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The athletes will make whatever the market will bear. If you're going to begrudge what money they make, you should also begrudge the money that actors and musicians make; they're ALL entertainers. It's odd, people will always complain about an athletes paycheck, but never the money Paul McCartney makes, or the money that Michael Jackson or the Rolling Stones makes.
The fact of the matter is that pro athletes perform what very few people in the world can do at a much higher level. The clichéd comparisons to teachers and other people who perform more important tasks are apples and oranges. The athletes higher paycheck doesn't mean they're more important than teachers or anyone else, it just means you can find many more quality teachers all over the world than you can athletes who can perform at the pro level - and the athlete is in the entertainment business. If what athletes do is so easy why is it that the much larger percentage of amateur athletes fail trying to get to the pro level? Some people look at these guys and remember themselves playing the same games, and think to themselves they can do that. Well, why didn't you??? You mean you passed up an opportunity to be a multi-millionaire at a game you've played since being a child to be able to veg out in front of your tv on Sundays while watching a bunch of dime a dozen bums run around in padding and helmets so you could work at the US Postal Service? No... Not everybody can do what Randy Johnson does. Not everybody can do what Ken Griffey Jr. USED to do. Not everybody can do what Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Dr. J. and Michael Jordan could do... ...at the level they did it at. I'm not a major league baseball fan anymore (I like the sport, I don't like the major leagues). And it's the most effed up sport of all three major sports when it comes to salaries (and other things), because there is no revenue sharing to make the playing field level for all teams to compete for elite players. Since this is the case, the money offered is off the chart - and the commisioner cries poverty. I don't know for a fact, but I think the NFL has a salary cap. I know the NBA does. Does anyone wonder why the NFL and NBA have less problems than major league baseball? Personally, I say the athletes should make whatever they can get. The owners are going to get everything they can out of the athletes, so the athlete may as well get everything they can out of the owner. It's the athletes who puts asses in the seats every game. It's the athletes who bring in all the television money that the networks offer the leagues. It's the athletes who indirectly sell the merchandise. It's the athletes who are expected to perform on an everyday basis at a level none of us can. These guys don't just fall out of bed and become the players they are, they work at it in order to sustain their careers. The athletes ARE THE GAME. The game is ENTERTAINMENT. People around the world pay to watch that entertainment, the same way people around the world pay to see the Rolling Stones, Michael Jackson, and yes, even those consistently shelling out $100+ to see some guy named Prince, who apparently hasn't had a pop hit in several years. To begrudge what athletes make is not being objective if in fact you don't begrudge what other entertainers make. And to do both is a waste of energy. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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I think the majority of profits should go to those who do the entertaining i.e the athletes. When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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Supernova said: The athletes will make whatever the market will bear. If you're going to begrudge what money they make, you should also begrudge the money that actors and musicians make; they're ALL entertainers. It's odd, people will always complain about an athletes paycheck, but never the money Paul McCartney makes, or the money that Michael Jackson or the Rolling Stones makes.
Very Much on Point.nobody Bitches about the 20 Million Dollar Club in Hollywood so don't Cry about any other form of Entertainment.Shaq gets all these Questions why He won't join the Olympics?but He has already Won&whatnot&also His Toe.Athletes are Held too different Standards no Doubt.College Made a ton of Money off many Cats& I tip My Cap too Kobe,Kevin garnett,T-Mac&Next year Le bron James.you gotta get your Paper while you can.take the Kid Mcgett(Misspelled) in the Fiesta Bowl for the National Championship Miami&Ohio State: Miami Running Back took out a Insurance Claim just in case He got Hurt&couldn't play again.smart Move.don't Hate Alex Rodriuez for Signing with Baseball's Texas Rangers for 250 Million Dollars the same Amount that the Current President Bush Sold the Team For.Old Money is sitting there.a baseball Pitcher put things into Perspective: he said the Major League baseball Owners got over for 80 years on the Players&the Players are getting the past 20 years back.All Major Sports have Issues.Racial Hiring Sucks in all Major Sports except the NBA.but Ownership&Managment have alot of Issues.Baseball is Chained too the Past.that is there Biggest Problem.just who gets into the hall of Fame make them seem as dated as a "Munsters" Special Effect.the TV Show.Pete Rose should be In Case Closed.Baseball Broke more Ground then any other Sport but somehow Basketball with Yao Ming seems like the 21rst Century truly has Arrived.all Major Sports are suffering from a Bad Case of Parity but you know what? we still Watch&want it.as the Commerical goes that Spike Lee is Directing we all wait until next Year for Sports.We Love too be Entertained more than anything else in the World when all is said&done.Right on SuperNova for your Post on thsi Subject Matter.PeaceThe fact of the matter is that pro athletes perform what very few people in the world can do at a much higher level. The clichéd comparisons to teachers and other people who perform more important tasks are apples and oranges. The athletes higher paycheck doesn't mean they're more important than teachers or anyone else, it just means you can find many more quality teachers all over the world than you can athletes who can perform at the pro level - and the athlete is in the entertainment business. If what athletes do is so easy why is it that the much larger percentage of amateur athletes fail trying to get to the pro level? Some people look at these guys and remember themselves playing the same games, and think to themselves they can do that. Well, why didn't you??? You mean you passed up an opportunity to be a multi-millionaire at a game you've played since being a child to be able to veg out in front of your tv on Sundays while watching a bunch of dime a dozen bums run around in padding and helmets so you could work at the US Postal Service? No... Not everybody can do what Randy Johnson does. Not everybody can do what Ken Griffey Jr. USED to do. Not everybody can do what Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Dr. J. and Michael Jordan could do... ...at the level they did it at. I'm not a major league baseball fan anymore (I like the sport, I don't like the major leagues). And it's the most effed up sport of all three major sports when it comes to salaries (and other things), because there is no revenue sharing to make the playing field level for all teams to compete for elite players. Since this is the case, the money offered is off the chart - and the commisioner cries poverty. I don't know for a fact, but I think the NFL has a salary cap. I know the NBA does. Does anyone wonder why the NFL and NBA have less problems than major league baseball? Personally, I say the athletes should make whatever they can get. The owners are going to get everything they can out of the athletes, so the athlete may as well get everything they can out of the owner. It's the athletes who puts asses in the seats every game. It's the athletes who bring in all the television money that the networks offer the leagues. It's the athletes who indirectly sell the merchandise. It's the athletes who are expected to perform on an everyday basis at a level none of us can. These guys don't just fall out of bed and become the players they are, they work at it in order to sustain their careers. The athletes ARE THE GAME. The game is ENTERTAINMENT. People around the world pay to watch that entertainment, the same way people around the world pay to see the Rolling Stones, Michael Jackson, and yes, even those consistently shelling out $100+ to see some guy named Prince, who apparently hasn't had a pop hit in several years. To begrudge what athletes make is not being objective if in fact you don't begrudge what other entertainers make. And to do both is a waste of energy. mistermaxxx | |
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^5, Maxxx. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: ^5, Maxxx.
I said that Supernova with half as many words.How come i don't get no love?? | |
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4LOVE said: Supernova said: ^5, Maxxx.
I said that Supernova with half as many words.How come i don't get no love?? Huh? Said high five to Maxxx? This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: 4LOVE said: Supernova said: ^5, Maxxx.
I said that Supernova with half as many words.How come i don't get no love?? Huh? Said high five to Maxxx? I thought you were agreeing with what he said. | |
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4LOVE said: Supernova said: 4LOVE said: Supernova said: ^5, Maxxx.
I said that Supernova with half as many words.How come i don't get no love?? Huh? Said high five to Maxxx? I thought you were agreeing with what he said. Ohh! OK, yeah I was. But to be honest with you I didn't read all the posts in this thread I just made a post and left it at that. Sometimes I do that in threads. Maybe I should read all the posts first.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: 4LOVE said: Supernova said: 4LOVE said: Supernova said: ^5, Maxxx.
I said that Supernova with half as many words.How come i don't get no love?? Huh? Said high five to Maxxx? I thought you were agreeing with what he said. Ohh! OK, yeah I was. But to be honest with you I didn't read all the posts in this thread I just made a post and left it at that. Sometimes I do that in threads. Maybe I should read all the posts first. Just make sure you read MINE,you can skip all the rest :LOL: | |
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4LOVE said: Supernova said: 4LOVE said: Supernova said: 4LOVE said: Supernova said: ^5, Maxxx.
I said that Supernova with half as many words.How come i don't get no love?? Huh? Said high five to Maxxx? I thought you were agreeing with what he said. Ohh! OK, yeah I was. But to be honest with you I didn't read all the posts in this thread I just made a post and left it at that. Sometimes I do that in threads. Maybe I should read all the posts first. Just make sure you read MINE,you can skip all the rest :LOL: You know what? I usually always do, but at the time I made the first post it was earlier today when I was off and on the PC so my attention was divided for a while there. [This message was edited Tue Jan 7 22:59:41 PST 2003 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: 4LOVE said: Just make sure you read MINE,you can skip all the rest :LOL: You know what? I usually always do, but at the time I made the first post it was earlier today when I was off and on the PC so my attention was divided for a while there. [This message was edited Tue Jan 7 22:59:41 PST 2003 by Supernova] You just made my day(head swollen like a balloon).On that note i'm going to bed and sleep like a baby. | |
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IceNine said: TEACHERS make about $35,000 a year.
Why I quit teaching. Of course my prospects in my future career don't really look any more lucrative (still in education)... but I'm a have to find a way! . [This message was edited Tue Jan 7 23:17:07 PST 2003 by NuPwrSoul] "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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The one sport that you don't hear much talk about salaries is in professional wrestling. Of course some people might not consider this a real sport since there is no real competition, but I beg to differ. Pro wrestlers are tremendous athletes, and they take more punishment than other athletes who play football, basketball or baseball.
No one knows The Rock's salary,but I would guess that it's not the millions that most rookie athletes in football or basketball be making.He probably makes more making movies than he does wrestling. I'm not arguing that pro wrestlers should make more, I'm just saying I like the fact that their salaries are not frequently talked about.Why do we always have to publicize an athlete's yearly income? That should be information that the athlete should know. [This message was edited Wed Jan 8 0:37:57 PST 2003 by Biscuit]  My name is BISCUIT...and I am funky!  | |
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Biscuit said: The one sport that you don't hear much talk about salaries is in professional wrestling. Of course some people might not consider this a real sport since there is no real competition, but I beg to differ. Pro wrestlers are tremendous athletes, and they take more punishment than other athletes who play football, basketball or baseball.
No one knows The Rock's salary,but I would guess that it's not the millions that most rookie athletes in football or basketball be making.He probably makes more making movies than he does wrestling. I'm not arguing that pro wrestlers should make more, I'm just saying I like the fact that their salaries are not frequently talked about.Why do we always have to publicize an athlete's yearly income? That should be information that the athlete should know. [This message was edited Wed Jan 8 0:37:57 PST 2003 by Biscuit] I don't really consider pro wrestling as a sport per se. It's really like full-contact theater. I like that, "full-contact theater." Tell your friends Tommy said it first! | |
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Biscuit said: The one sport that you don't hear much talk about salaries is in professional wrestling. Of course some people might not consider this a real sport since there is no real competition, but I beg to differ. Pro wrestlers are tremendous athletes, and they take more punishment than other athletes who play football, basketball or baseball.
Because aside from Rick Flair,The Rock,Hulk Hogan&a few others over time no Name Carries the Weight that Vince McMahon does.Hulk Hogan&The Rock are the Exception.Vince Mcmahon got the Lions share of Loot.Wrestling:glad it's Mentioned because that is how the Music Industry operates.the Good&the Bad.but the trip out thing only a few Wrestlers make it.very interesting sports choice.No one knows The Rock's salary,but I would guess that it's not the millions that most rookie athletes in football or basketball be making.He probably makes more making movies than he does wrestling. I'm not arguing that pro wrestlers should make more, I'm just saying I like the fact that their salaries are not frequently talked about.Why do we always have to publicize an athlete's yearly income? That should be information that the athlete should know. [This message was edited Wed Jan 8 0:37:57 PST 2003 by Biscuit] mistermaxxx | |
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Biscuit said: The one sport that you don't hear much talk about salaries is in professional wrestling. Of course some people might not consider this a real sport since there is no real competition, but I beg to differ. Pro wrestlers are tremendous athletes, and they take more punishment than other athletes who play football, basketball or baseball.
No one knows The Rock's salary,but I would guess that it's not the millions that most rookie athletes in football or basketball be making.He probably makes more making movies than he does wrestling. I'm not arguing that pro wrestlers should make more, I'm just saying I like the fact that their salaries are not frequently talked about.Why do we always have to publicize an athlete's yearly income? That should be information that the athlete should know. [This message was edited Wed Jan 8 0:37:57 PST 2003 by Biscuit] Word is our former Govenor Jesse Ventura was paid $1,000,000 to referee one match when he became Govenor. Also, people have been saying that he could get paid $3 to $5 million to rescue Brock Lesnor this summer. So some wrestlers GET PAID. | |
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