teller said:

I like ya, Teller, but you Evolutionary Biologists try to use the past to explain everything! I know the basis for much of human behavior is still the same, but millions of years have passed and things are different. Our abilities to act using reason as opposed to instinct have increased to an incredible extent.

I"m not saying it's right or wrong to be monogamous or non-monogamous, I'm just saying we have control, and anyone who uses their biology as a defense for doing something they know is against what they've promised--it's a copout (unless they truly have neurological/brain chemistry malfunctions).
[This message was edited Wed Jan 8 8:17:08 PST 2003 by AnotherLover2]

AnotherLover2 said:

This goes back to why is it not the norm? Why is it so common? Why are people like Moonbeam rare? (hugs to Moonbeam)

It seems you and IceNine believe it's just based on what is around us. I say nature wins 9 times out of 10, regardless of our ability to make the right choices.

Can't stand them. No mystery.

I like silent confidence.

AnotherLover2 said:

We have the power of reason--but look around at the general population and tell me a good number of people won't succumb to their urges?

IceNine said:

The only point I am trying to make is it is intended, to me, that men are sexually able to reproduce, early and often. Nature brings this into their world without asking for it. It comes, so to speak.

It fills a man's mind with sexual thoughts and desires. All meant to keep humans reproducing.

I guess I am going to quit debating this issue, as we clearly disagree.

LaVisHh said:

I think monogamy is the norm in our culture, but not until a certain picking/sorting process has been accomplished. I also think that "the norm" is, to a large extent, socially constructed. Maybe our definitions of monogamy are different--I'm thinking of "not cheating on your partner". Maybe you're thinking of "having one and only one partner ever in your lifetime"?

yuck...men who claim they have many conquest are just like annoying little dongs that hump the leg of anyone who walks into the room...SO not sexy...

AnotherLover2 said:

You are correct in my definition of monogamy as being "having one and only one partner". I mean, I could be monogamous with 50 in my lifetime, right?

This was fun, I saw you need to get to work, lol...enjoy your day!



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[This message was edited Wed Jan 8 8:24:09 PST 2003 by LaVisHh]

LaVisHh said:

Since humans are animals, I would not argue that people were not meant to reproduce as animals. What I am arguing, however is that humans are far more complex social beings then animals and we NEED a solid structure in which to raise children, therefore monogamy is actually a characteristic that will lead to the betterment of humankind.

LaVisHh said:

[This message was edited Wed Jan 8 8:26:25 PST 2003 by AnotherLover2]

LaVisHh said:

Monogamous can also be defined as: "The practice or condition of being married to only one person at a time."

IceNine said:

Makes me wonder, IceNine...how many countries consider having more than one wife illegal?

LaVisHh said:

I don't know, but there are certainly places where you can have many... hell, I believe that Mormons dig polygamy right here in the good old USA.

Morning ladies, and gents..

The way I see it is this...

show me don't tell me... heh, heh

IceNine said:

I believe you are right, I've seen a few documentaries on it. I'm way to jealous to share. It seems some can.

This sort of branches out your question. Do you think the only reason these men who enjoy the bragging, is that each woman is not in the face of the other?

LaVisHh said:

You have a good point... I don't think that men would really brag about it in front of a bunch of women, especially those that they have actually had sexual contact with. It is easy to boast on the internet... hell, I could say that I am Prince on the internet for that matter but someone would immediately call me on it in person.

does it count if the WOMEN are the ones to talk
about how many of them this guy has fucked
HAD SEX WITH???
i mean if the REP is perpetuated by the female themselves?

IceNine said:

Ah, so besides insecurity issues, do you think these men are also...lying bastards?

sag10 said:

Good Morning.

LaVisHh said:

You're damned right! Take the number of women the average guy claims to have been with and divide it by ten and you will still probably be too high. :LOL:

00769BAD said:

In that case, you are the KING!

00769BAD said:

I'm glad you brought that up, actually!

When they do though, there is usually hell to pay, not a feeling of comradery.

IceNine said:

LOL!

And for the women, you multiply?

LaVisHh said:

Classic!!! :LOL:

LaVisHh said:

BUT!!!
you have to remember that it all started
with one tellin the other..."damn that motherfucker..."
then they get that 'better than' air about theirself,
then the mext thing you know, one of the buddies
wants to take her down a knotch, so there's the
1. WEDGE move (divide and fuck him)
a) she treats you like shit
b) girl i can't belive you lettin him tie you down
c) you know he fuckin, you better go on and get yours
d) she been plannin on fuckin him
ETC. ETC. ETC...

00769BAD said:

Now I know you been talking to the ladies, as that is right on!

LaVisHh said:

NO NO NO LaV...
i have been subjected to all these things
at one time or another, lucky for me, it
was in the begining of my LOVE LIFE experiences.
now that i have MELLOWED, i know it's SAFE to BRAG
even though i don't have to, cause that SEXY shit just ROLLS OFF ME, LIKE SWEAT OFF A JOCK

AnotherLover2 said:

They actually haven't changed as much as you claim and be able to be monogamous has little to do with being highly evolved or not. In hunter-gather societies, where the people are just as evolved as us, a woman may be married many times before she finally settles down with one man and even when she does, she will still have affairs outside of her marriage. Men will also do the same thing. Does it cause personal conflict, yes but it is also the way that most people maximize their reproductive advantage. Considering that this behavior is cross-cultural makes it look as though it has something do with human nature and less with human nurture.

Now, women being considered whores for not remaining virgins and men being considered studs for the same reason is a social construct since it is definitely not found cross culturally. If you want some interesting reading on this subject I suggests Mother Nature by Sarah B. Hrdy (yes, that it Hrdy, not Hardy) and Nisa by Marjorie Shostak (her last name may be spelt wrong).

IceNine said:

Since I already posted off topic, i figured that I should also answer the question.

Men who do this are just very insecure and probably have perfromance anxiety. I don't find it an attractive trait because it makes me think about all the possible children and diseases he may have.

i think these guys are lame, insecure and lying. i really don't care how many they were with before me and i'd rather not know. plus, the number i've been with is usually higher than theirs.