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Director Roman Polanski finally arrested for 1978 rape

From the NY Daily News:

Director Roman Polanski arrested in Switzerland on 1978 warrant for having sex with 13-year-old girl
By Helen Kennedy
Daily News Staff Writer

Updated Sunday, September 27th 2009, 2:33 PM

Director Roman Polanski's three decades as a fugitive from U.S. rape charges finally ended Sunday when he was arrested upon landing in Switzerland to accept a lifetime achievement award.

The 76-year-old director of "Chinatown," "Rosemary's Baby" and "The Pianist," whose pregnant wife Sharon Tate was butchered in their home by Charles Manson's cult followers in 1969, was one of the world's most famous fugitives.

He was arrested without incident at the Zurich airport and was being held for extradition to California, police said.

The Los Angeles County district attorney's office said prosecutors drew up a warrant learning last week that Polanski planned to show up at the Zurich Film Festival, where he would not be protected from arrest.

Polanski fled to Europe in 1978 after he was convicted in California of raping a 13-year-old girl he had lured to the Hollywood Hills home of actor Jack Nicholson for a photo shoot.

Samantha Geimer testified that Polanski, then 44, gave her quaaludes and champagne before having sex with her and sodomizing her.

Geimer, who long ago went public about what happened, has asked prosecutors to drop the charges, saying she believes Polanski has paid for his crimes with his 30 years in exile.

"I think he's sorry, I think he knows it was wrong. I don't think he's a danger to society," she said in June 2008.

She also agrees with Polanski supporters that he got a raw deal from the showboating judge, the late Laurence Rittenband.

"The judge was enjoying the publicity. He didn't care about what happened to me and he didn't care what happened to Polanski," Geimer said in last year's HBO documentary, "Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired."

At the time of the court case, both the defense and prosecution appeared to agree that probation would be sufficient punishment. Polanski had agreed to plead guilty to a charge of unlawful sex with a minor.

But the judge, who kept a scrapbook of clippings and was openly reveling in the media frenzy, told people he meant to put Polanski behind bars, according to the documentary.

Polanski asked the authorities to throw out the entire case last December based on the revelations in the HBO film.

Rapists in California go to prison for a maximum of eight years, so even if Rittenband had thrown the book at Polanski, he would have been out by 1986.

There is a 10-year statute of limitations on rape charges, but it was suspended when Polanski fled.

In 2003, Polanski won a best director Oscar for "The Pianist" but did not attend the ceremony in California for fear of arrest. Actor Harrison Ford finally gave him the statue six months later at the Deauville film festival in France.

For the last 30 years, Polanski has rarely left France, which protects its citizens from extradition to the United States.

In America, Polanski is largely seen a child rapist who fled justice, but he is a cultural icon in France, where many feel he was persecuted for having sex with a girl who admitted it was not her first time.

French Culture Minister Frederic Mitterrand said he was "stunned" by the arrest, adding that he "profoundly regrets that a new ordeal is being inflicted on someone who has already known so many during his life."

A Polish Jew born in Paris whose mother died at Auschwitz, Polanski was riding high on the success of "Rosemary's Baby" in 1969 when Tate, 8-months pregnant with their first son, was slaughtered by the Manson family. Just last Thursday, Susan Atkins, who stabbed Tate as she begged for her life, died in prison of brain cancer.

Polanski embarked on a rootless life of debauchery after the slaying, including affairs with younger and younger women, including the 15-year-old German actress Nastassja Kinski, whom he cast in "Tess."

He calmed down in recent years, marrying French actress Emmanuelle Seigner, now 43, in 1989. They have two young children, daughter Morgane and son Elvis.

The Zurich Film Festival indefinitely postponed the presentation of Polanski's lifetime achievement award, but planned to go ahead with Sunday evening's retrospective of the director's work.

Swiss authorities said Polanski could appeal any extradition order, which could draw the process out.

California authorities said he could be back in Hollywood in days if he does not contest extradition.

http://www.nydailynews.co...z0SQ6l8AQB


Should he still go to trial?
[Edited 9/28/09 9:51am]
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Reply #1 posted 09/28/09 9:45am

ernestsewell

He already pleaded guilty to having sex with a minor, and served 45 days in prison for it. He fled because the judge at the time backtracked and was going to put the guy away forever. I'm not excusing 13 year old rape, but are we trying the guy twice for one crime?
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Reply #2 posted 09/28/09 9:48am

Graycap23

France is backing the guy as if he has nothing.
Interesting.
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Reply #3 posted 09/28/09 9:55am

PANDURITO

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Graycap23 said:

France is backing the guy as if he has nothing.
Interesting.

Wonder how many poor innocent French teenagers he will have raped in these 30 years sad
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Reply #4 posted 09/28/09 10:46am

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ernestsewell said:

He already pleaded guilty to having sex with a minor, and served 45 days in prison for it. He fled because the judge at the time backtracked and was going to put the guy away forever. I'm not excusing 13 year old rape, but are we trying the guy twice for one crime?


So you're saying 45 days of imprisonment is sufficient punishment for raping a 13 year old?
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He should be tried for raping the girl AND fleeing. The guy is a great director but I REALLY don't see how that should free him from proscecution
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Reply #5 posted 09/28/09 10:53am

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eelco said:

So you're saying 45 days of imprisonment is sufficient punishment for raping a 13 year old?


:::SIGH::: Pay attention. I never said that. It's statements like that which start flame wars on here, and the subject and debate is lost in drama.

We can't put someone BACK in jail because we feel they didn't serve enough the first time around. Murderers get off after 7 or 10 years on a much longer sentence, but we can't throw them back in jail after the system has run its course. Doesn't make it right, it makes it how it works.
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Reply #6 posted 09/28/09 11:07am

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Didn't he pay the girl and her mother off? I saw an old documentary on him and they said this is what he did to keep them quiet. The charges do sound horrible. I dunno...it's not like living outside of America is some big torture. 30 years of hiding in France with 45 days of jail in the U.S...phooey.

I mean, don't plenty rich crminals flee the country to avoid prosecution? He should at least have a trial then have one of those waivers for time served. Just cuz his victim got over it doesn't mean society has to. Shit, if we let time go by, let money exchange hands, and let old wounds heal then probably no child rapist would ever go to prison.
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Reply #7 posted 09/28/09 11:11am

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I love this part....as if you can't rape a female if she's not a virgin. virgin = rape, non virgin = consentual sex.
Damn the French must be whorey as hell. lol


In America, Polanski is largely seen a child rapist who fled justice, but he is a cultural icon in France, where many feel he was persecuted for having sex with a girl who admitted it was not her first time.
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Reply #8 posted 09/28/09 11:16am

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He's probably going to go to trial for fleeing.
But he's already been convicted, so I don't think he can be tried twice for that crime. He pleeded guilty and served his initial time.
I believe the judge tried to give him more days or something at which point he fled.


I seriously doubt he'll be tried again for the same crime. There's no way it would fly.


How the hell is 45 days a sufficient punishment for statutory rape?
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Reply #9 posted 09/28/09 11:46am

ernestsewell

Imago said:

He's probably going to go to trial for fleeing.
But he's already been convicted, so I don't think he can be tried twice for that crime. He pleeded guilty and served his initial time.
I believe the judge tried to give him more days or something at which point he fled.

I seriously doubt he'll be tried again for the same crime. There's no way it would fly.


It's illegal.
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Reply #10 posted 09/28/09 11:48am

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ernestsewell said:

Imago said:

He's probably going to go to trial for fleeing.
But he's already been convicted, so I don't think he can be tried twice for that crime. He pleeded guilty and served his initial time.
I believe the judge tried to give him more days or something at which point he fled.

I seriously doubt he'll be tried again for the same crime. There's no way it would fly.


It's illegal.

I'm asumming you mean being tried twice for the same crime?
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Reply #11 posted 09/28/09 11:50am

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Imago said:

He's probably going to go to trial for fleeing.
But he's already been convicted, so I don't think he can be tried twice for that crime. He pleeded guilty and served his initial time.
I believe the judge tried to give him more days or something at which point he fled.


I seriously doubt he'll be tried again for the same crime. There's no way it would fly.


How the hell is 45 days a sufficient punishment for statutory rape?


No, I think he fled so he wouldn't have to do his initial time.
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Reply #12 posted 09/28/09 11:52am

Graycap23

The director pleaded guilty in 1977 to a single count of having unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, acknowledging he had sex with a 13-year-old girl, but fled the U.S. before he could be sentenced.
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Reply #13 posted 09/28/09 11:53am

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Imago said:

ernestsewell said:



It's illegal.

I'm asumming you mean being tried twice for the same crime?


Yep. It's why we never got to get real justice with a murderer like OJ Simpson. Even with him being in jail now doesn't seem justice, because he's not serving for murdering his ex-wife and her friend.
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Reply #14 posted 09/28/09 11:58am

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No. He needs to go back and have his day in court.

Geimer, who long ago went public about what happened, has asked prosecutors to drop the charges, saying she believes Polanski has paid for his crimes with his 30 years in exile.


What? I don't think so.
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Reply #15 posted 09/28/09 12:17pm

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This case may be old, and the victim may have even decided he was not a threat to the public, but really he has to face up to his crimes. Maybe for his own good, as well. Running away is not the answer, and it's kind of good to see he didn't get away with it yet.
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Reply #16 posted 09/28/09 12:53pm

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it wasn't rape. she consented.
I heard back then in the hippy days They had a hard time finding a prosecuting lawyer who hadn't himself "raped" a minor.

And the girls parents introduced the girl to him, knowing that he liked young 'uns.

America!!! lol.
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Reply #17 posted 09/28/09 1:22pm

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Rightly said:

it wasn't rape. she consented.
I heard back then in the hippy days They had a hard time finding a prosecuting lawyer who hadn't himself "raped" a minor.

And the girls parents introduced the girl to him, knowing that he liked young 'uns.

America!!! lol.



aahhh, it was about money all along. they might have thought he'd put her in movies...not fuck her. That's messed up about the lawyers...if that's true. disbelief well the right lawyers will get him this time. I still think if you drug somebody and dope them up on liquor it's rape. Unless she was completely lucid and sober and just bent over and said "have at it" he really did rape her and needs to be held accountable.
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Reply #18 posted 09/28/09 1:25pm

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Rightly said:

it wasn't rape. she consented.
I heard back then in the hippy days They had a hard time finding a prosecuting lawyer who hadn't himself "raped" a minor.

And the girls parents introduced the girl to him, knowing that he liked young 'uns.

America!!! lol.


Bullshit. She was 13. Under the law, she cannot consent. Period. He also gave her champagne and Quaaludes.

So it's okay if the parents introduce their child to a possible pedophile? That just excuses it? It's like when dummies in the 80's started saying women "asked for it", saying their rape was obviously going to happen because they wore a mini skirt or a tight blouse/top.
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Reply #19 posted 09/28/09 1:25pm

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Graycap23 said:

The director pleaded guilty in 1977 to a single count of having unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, acknowledging he had sex with a 13-year-old girl, but fled the U.S. before he could be sentenced.


Dude needs to get the Ned Beatty treatment in the joint.
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Reply #20 posted 09/28/09 1:40pm

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Rightly said:

it wasn't rape. she consented.
I heard back then in the hippy days They had a hard time finding a prosecuting lawyer who hadn't himself "raped" a minor.

And the girls parents introduced the girl to him, knowing that he liked young 'uns.

America!!! lol.


whatever, it's against the law. Even if you don't agree with the law.
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Reply #21 posted 09/28/09 1:51pm

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I don't know how I feel about this. It wasn't technically rape as the sex wasn't forced. However, morally, minors shouldn't be placed in a position where they are expected to consent. And he still had sex with a minor.

I don't know enough about the case. Why was the judgement rape if the girl said all along that she had consented? Is it some kind of Californian legal rule that any sex with a minor is automatically rape? I'm not saying that I think it makes the situation any better - I'm just curious.

I feel a bit sorry for all concerned. Thirty years is a long time. Why now?

The 1970s were a very weird time, sexually. Some thirteen year-olds are more sexually precocious than some 18 year-olds. He must have been extremely messed-up at the time. I'm not condoning what happened, I'm just thinking out loud.
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Reply #22 posted 09/28/09 1:58pm

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GirlBrother said:

I don't know how I feel about this. It wasn't technically rape as the sex wasn't forced. However, morally, minors shouldn't be placed in a position where they are expected to consent. And he still had sex with a minor.

I don't know enough about the case. Why was the judgement rape if the girl said all along that she had consented? Is it some kind of Californian legal rule that any sex with a minor is automatically rape? I'm not saying that I think it makes the situation any better - I'm just curious.


It wasn't consensual - it was statutory rape. She was 13. He was 44 years old.

Secondly, he gave her Quaaludes and champagne.

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The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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GirlBrother said:

I don't know how I feel about this. It wasn't technically rape as the sex wasn't forced. However, morally, minors shouldn't be placed in a position where they are expected to consent. And he still had sex with a minor.

I don't know enough about the case. Why was the judgement rape if the girl said all along that she had consented? Is it some kind of Californian legal rule that any sex with a minor is automatically rape? I'm not saying that I think it makes the situation any better - I'm just curious.

I feel a bit sorry for all concerned. Thirty years is a long time. Why now?

The 1970s were a very weird time, sexually. Some thirteen year-olds are more sexually precocious than some 18 year-olds. He must have been extremely messed-up at the time. I'm not condoning what happened, I'm just thinking out loud.



It was forced if he indeed drugged her and filled her up with alchohol. By doing this he would have taken away her sobriety and ability to say "no" and leave/refuse his advances.
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Reply #24 posted 09/28/09 2:12pm

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Yeah, let's arrest Jack Nicholson now too. He let Polanski use his house for the 'date' with Geimer. And the mother of the girl who more or less pushed her daughter to go along.

Shouldn't the USA hunt after other people? It was 32 years ago. The girl says let him go. Why then make a whole circus around a 76 years old director again?
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Reply #25 posted 09/28/09 2:15pm

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dothejump said:

Yeah, let's arrest Jack Nicholson now too. He let Polanski use his house for the 'date' with Geimer. And the mother of the girl who more or less pushed her daughter to go along.

Shouldn't the USA hunt after other people? It was 32 years ago. The girl says let him go. Why then make a whole circus around a 76 years old director again?



Because it's probably no longer about the girl and more about him possibly making a fool of our legal system at the time. You dont fuck with the law and you don't fuck with the IRS. They will come after you no matter how much time has passed. lol
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Reply #26 posted 09/28/09 2:20pm

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Question to those of you who feel like it was a long time ago and it shouldn't matter - how would you feel if the girl had been your sister, daughter, cousin, niece, or friend? Would you still say what's the big deal, it was a long time ago? What if the guy wasn't an Oscar-winning film director, but a dude like Phillip Garrido? Still not a big deal?

Just curious.
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #27 posted 09/28/09 2:23pm

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jone70 said:

Question to those of you who feel like it was a long time ago and it shouldn't matter - how would you feel if the girl had been your sister, daughter, cousin, niece, or friend? Would you still say what's the big deal, it was a long time ago? What if the guy wasn't an Oscar-winning film director, but a dude like Phillip Garrido? Still not a big deal?

Just curious.


What if I said the "girl" was once me and the film director was a middle-aged school teacher? I'd personally see no benefit to dragging up the past, thirty or so years later.
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Reply #28 posted 09/28/09 2:31pm

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jone70 said:

Question to those of you who feel like it was a long time ago and it shouldn't matter - how would you feel if the girl had been your sister, daughter, cousin, niece, or friend? Would you still say what's the big deal, it was a long time ago? What if the guy wasn't an Oscar-winning film director, but a dude like Phillip Garrido? Still not a big deal?

Just curious.


Well, first there is the question if it was rape or sex with a minor. I believe it is the latter so then your question is not relevant. Philip Garrido is a rapist so that's, in my opinion, a different matter than the Polanski case. If in the case of a rape it had been my cousin, niece, or friend and she decided that she want to leave it behind I might not agree but I would respect her decision and also move on.

What if this wasn't about an Oscar winning director but about Joe Average? Would the same hunt have happened? I don't think so. This seems to me like some sort of reverse class justice.

In 1997 Samantha Geimer already asked to leave the case and even said that she didn't agree with how the case was handled in 1977. read her letter here:
http://www.thesmokinggun....imer1.html
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Reply #29 posted 09/28/09 2:39pm

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GirlBrother said:

jone70 said:

Question to those of you who feel like it was a long time ago and it shouldn't matter - how would you feel if the girl had been your sister, daughter, cousin, niece, or friend? Would you still say what's the big deal, it was a long time ago? What if the guy wasn't an Oscar-winning film director, but a dude like Phillip Garrido? Still not a big deal?

Just curious.


What if I said the "girl" was once me and the film director was a middle-aged school teacher? I'd personally see no benefit to dragging up the past, thirty or so years later.


Unfortunately, the law sees someone who plead guilty and skipped town before sentence was rendered. It has nothing to do with personal feelings, it has to do with legality.
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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