DesireeNevermind said:

Maybe it's different in BC than it is in Cali, but dads have to figure out all the time how to do that here. All kinds of men, especially younger ones, proudly go out in public solo with their kids.

DesireeNevermind said:

I've had David take our daughter to the restrooms. He takes her in with him to a clean stall, and does what I would do with my sons when they were smaller.

meow85 said:

No but it will encourage them furthermore...

I wouldn't want to poop or change a tampon with my lover of more than 15 years in the next stall. If I had to do either next to a stranger, I'd never leave the house again.

If you integrated bathrooms women would use gloryholes for gossiping with their BFF's and passing lip gloss to each other whilst tinklin.
[Edited 10/6/09 20:46pm]

johnart said:

Genesia said:

johnart said:

Or maybe us heteros would get a chance at some nasty anonymous bathroom sex for once!

DesireeNevermind said:

That's a dumb statement. You're not dumb, so don't say it again.

NDRU said:

ernestsewell said:

Why are you always in defense mode?


There are pervy dudes out there tryna drag people into mens restrooms for sexual assault, having unisex stalls will only make it easier for them to attack the vulnerable or at least that's what they will think.

For example:
http://www.mlive.com/news...t_hol.html

HOLLAND-- A 10-year-old girl was sexually assaulted in a bathroom at the Holland outlet mall Saturday afternoon, said the Ottawa County Sheriff's Department.

Police said at about 7:15 p.m. the Zeeland Township girl was using the public restroom of the mall when a male, believed to be in his 20s, entered the bathroom, dragged her to the men's bathroom and sexually assaulted her.


And little kids shouldn't be alone in men's bathrooms anyway.
http://findarticles.com/p...n35614066/

WEST VALLEY CITY -- Police asked for the public's help Thursday in finding a man they believe sexually assaulted a 7-year-old boy in the restroom of a fast-food restaurant -- and they got it.

About 5:15 p.m. on Aug. 15, a mother walked into Burger King, near 3500 South and 5600 West, with her two children. While she was placing an order, her 7-year-old son went to the restroom, said West Valley Police Capt. Tom McLachlan.

After releasing surveillance footage from the restaurant, police arrested a 44-year-old man for investigation of kidnapping and sodomy Thursday night, KSL-TV reported.

DesireeNevermind said:

separation of the sexes at the very least sends a warning flag if a guy goes into the women's room.

DesireeNevermind said:

Defense mode would dicdtate that I felt attacked. I do not. You might be though... But let's think logically for a moment...


If a dude really wants to assault and rape a girl, or even another guy, they'll do it wherever they can, whether that's a bathroom or not. They'll do it outside a club, pull a girl into a car, or attack her while she walks home. How many little girls were kidnapped, raped, and killed after being snatched in broad daylight (like the little girl at a car wash). Let's not forget Elizabeth Smart who was stolen OUT OF HER OWN BEDROOM IN HER HOME! Point being if it's going to happen because of a lunatic, it will happen, bathroom or not.

A bathroom in a public place, like an office where there are lots of folks, or perhaps a huge venue (for concerts, etc..your local arena), there are still a lot of folks. The "danger" in that is small (although I don't know of any venue's with a unisex bathroom, but I do know of clubs or offices with them.)

There is ALWAYS going to be a perv somewhere. He/She will take your order at a restaurant, they will hand you a parking ticket at the hospital, they will ask you for directions to City Hall, they will wear a robe and go by "Pastor", they'll wear a white jacket and you call them "Doctor"...sometimes you might even call them "my husband" or "my wife".

You can't live in fear, even if you gotta pee. It's like living in fear that you'll be shot if you go outside. Well you could also walk outside and get hit by a MFing bus! You can't NOT go outside because of that.

Pee where you want, but in a controlled environment like an office, or similar, there's really not an issue. No one is going to do some foot tapping under the stall to illicit some hand action. And if they do....report their ass to the police straight away.

^ ernest...nobody is talking about living in fear per se but let's be real, a sex perv has specific places they stalk their prey and among those places are public restrooms. Think about it...a semi crowded place (diner, gas station, airport) where no one is paying attention to you as you enter or leave and then there is this public restroom with enclosed stalls where you see who goes in and how long they stay etc. Why wouldn't a perv take advantage of that?

Regardless of where pervs are or who they are, we should not make it anymore easy for them to attack. So no, I don't want any unisex bathrooms. And while we're at it...let's keep these registered sex offenders from living in our neighborhoods shall we?


p.s.

you are in defense mode cuz you came off snarky for no reason.
[Edited 10/7/09 11:42am]

DesireeNevermind said:

Defense mode again means I felt you attacked me personally, a la "I have to DEFEND myself". I'm not a sexual deviant or a pervert, so therefore, I am not in a defensive mode.

Second, a place like a diner, airport, or gas station isn't going to have a unisex bathroom, and if they do, it'd probably be a one person bathroom with a lock on the door. Hell, even separate bathrooms that are singular have a lock on the door too in those types of places.

A sexual predator will go anywhere though, as I stated. Guys will sit outside a school yard to prey on children. They'll use the internet then meet at a kid's house (a la To Catch A Predator), etc.

Sex predators have to live somewhere. And while we say things like "let's put them on an island alone forever", realistically, they're going to be somewhere at some time. That's not a defense for sex offenders, but they will be somewhere. Of course there are websites to let you know where those people live, like http://familywatchdog.us/ so you can have the information you need.

Those are just the ones we've caught and registered. The point in my earlier statement was that the doctors, priests, or whoever are people who are still working incognito and have NOT been caught, nor have had to register as a sex offender.

Back to the bathroom thing.... there's always some place safe to pee.

ernestsewell said:

"defensive" may not quite be the right word, but when you basically command someone not to make such a "stupid statement" again, it does come off as unnecessarily mean.

the only concerns I have about public restrooms are those lousy fucking hand dryers...give me paper towels any day...if a forest or two have to be destroyed so that I can have completely dry hands, so be it... then I'll piss and shit next to anybody

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DesireeNevermind said:

Excellent, on all points.

makes stalking a whole lot easier

kpowers said:

How so? Like I asked Desiree -what's really stopping someone from walking into the "wrong" bathroom as it is if they're determined to assault someone? Nothing. So let's not pretend like these cute little signs are in any way a safeguard against anything of that sort.

[Edited 10/7/09 20:26pm]

meow85 said:

I said it makes it easier.

kpowers said:

And I asked how.

meow85 said:

Are you saying ALL stalkers will go through a womans bathroom no matter what????

kpowers said:

Someone who is determined to assault another person isn't going to be stopped by a sign.

meow85 said:

Ok Yes or NO, Do ALL stalkers will go through a womans bathroom (or mans bathroom) no matter what???

kpowers said:

That question is ludicrous.

But since you asked, I'll answer. Most likely, yes. A serious stalker will stop at nothing to get at the object of their obsession.

So -answer my question, please. What make segregated washrooms any more safe than if we had unisex ones? Nothing, so far as evidence would show. At best it's an illusion of safety.

meow85 said:

It's not a Ludicrous question. So a not so serious stalker would not then. Making it a unisex bathroom would make it easier for those non-serious stalkers. Unisex bathrooms are not a Utopia as you make it out to be. The Human Factor always fuck things up.

kpowers said:

What thee fuck? A 'not so serious stalker"? Honestly, I don't even know where to start with this silliness.

meow85 said:

in all fairness, there are people who never act on their fucked up desires simply because it's not convenient or accessible....visit any adult chatroom or imageboard and you'll find that there tons of pedo/slasher/stalker types out there and they're certainly not all fulfilling their twisted dream...

meow85 said:

It's not a real barrier, obviously, a guy can go into the ladies' room if he wants. But right now if a guy goes into the womens' room, someone might notice right away that something's wrong.

If there's no segregation, then there's no reason to suspect that anything is wrong until it's too late. Hell, even if it's not for an assault, some guys get off on seeing women shit & piss.

lordy it's horrible that we even need to be having this discussion! I think guys are gross, if I could not share a restroom with them I would, i don't understand a woman not caring!