It wasn't consensual - it was statutory rape. She was 13. He was 44 years old.

Secondly, he gave her Quaaludes and champagne.

PanthaGirl said:

It is not even slightly out of line.

You have been all over this thread defending someone who raped a 13-year-old. Suggesting that it was all the girl's fault. That she was some sort of Lolita that lured Roman Polanski into bed - instead of a child who was fed alcohol and drugs, and subsequently raped (orally, vaginally and anally) by a 43-year-old man.

That is just about the most out-of-line thing I can think of.

Vendetta1 said:

Relax, I'm not a freak!

No doubt there are many molested children out there and rightfully there's need for those laws against sex with minors. No doubt children should be protected.

BUT on the consent issue I have another approach. There CAN also be consent! The trick is to distinguish REAL consent from consent induced by fear. We're talking about teenagers of course here, not 5-year-olds!

I first had sex at 15, with an adult (21), which was illegal by the book (legal age for having sex in Greece is 16). But I had a full grown woman's body and hormones had reached peak levels - plus I was in love with the guy! It's only natural! I wanted him as much as he wanted me and he's been the love of my life. Should he have been arrested and put to jail? Would that be fair at all?

I actually HAVE a 13-year-old daughter so I'm not talking all theory here. She's very tall and grown up for her age so people always think she's older. There have been adults flirting with her, even ones who know her real age. The older one was 36. And in my presence too. I don't really have a problem with this as long as my kid doesn't. I try to warn her about dangers and teach her how to avoid unpleasant situations but without freaking her out about sex! Sex is only natural and since my daughter has had her period for 4 years now I expect that sometime soon she will feel the need to do it. I will try not to interfere in her choice, if she chooses an adult that's fine by me. What I've been trying to teach her is to find out HERSELF what she REALLY WANTS and do that. I believe she trusts me enough to come to me with any problem she might be facing so I'm optimistic.

That's my stance. Hope it doesn't creep you further.

PanthaGirl said:

Finally someone who reads a bit more about the case.

"Polanski was notorious for his sexual interest in "very young girls" - making a public display of his spell over them.

While this is something that Samantha Geimer's aspiring mother may not have been aware of - unlikely as that may seem - she was the one who introduced Samantha at the age of 13 to Polanski in order to further her daughter's modelling career. Polanski had been asked to guest edit an edition of French Vogue and wanted to feature Geimer. The bait was set.

Polanski wasted no time. During Geimer's first photoshoot - at her home - he asked her to remove her clothes as he photographed her. Only two weeks later, Geimer's mother allowed her to be taken to a private photoshoot with Polanski. Although Polanski had promised to bring one of Geimer's friends along as a chaperone, he failed to do so. Geimer went alone with Polanski"

"Where was Geimer's mother throughout this time? It is strange that she was not present at the first photoshoot, that she allowed a second photoshoot to take place without her being there and, seemingly, did not check to see that her daughter was in fact accompanied by a chaperone."

http://www.thefirstpost.c...n-polanski

Just like the mother of Brooke Shields agreed to make nude pictures of her 10 year old daughter. Do you all want Richard Prince now after 25 years in jail? What about the mothers?

porfyrivrohi said:

I swear to God some of you creep me the fuck out.

Do any of you know how many children are molested over and over again who let their molester do it because that person is an adult? Is it different because those children give consent? Are those children at fault because of it?

If a grown ass man flirts with my child, he is getting locked up BECAUSE it is a crime to make sexual advances towards a child. If a grown man touches my daughter, consent or not, I will fucking kill him.

dothejump said:

Very well informed and spoken. It's good to see another orger that is not one dimensional..

porfyrivrohi said:

WTF?? Are you serious?? It's jailbait. It is a crime in this country. Maybe you should sit in on some court cases, and listen to some stories from underaged girls who have been raped by older men, and some by their fathers,uncles and male cousins, since you think it is not a crime.

uPtoWnNY said:

Ottensen said:

Funny that you should mention Woody Allen... He's signed a petition to free Roman Polanski.

http://bit.ly/WTYX5

He's probably not the best celebrity to have on your side. As one comment states:

PanthaGirl said:

So people who do not agree with you are one dimensional? Because I don't see how this girl consenting makes it somehow less bad? Then I will proudly be one dimensional because nothing will ever make me see this case any different. If having a relationship with a child were legal, then I suspect being able to marry one would be legal where you are from, or dothejump or the other orgers in agreement with you.

And I'm done with this mess. Thank God I live in the US.

There are some things no one should ever be forced to do, some acts so vile and horrible they are difficult to endure, no matter how old or young a person is. Watching The View is one of them.

Also, Polanski's a piece of shit.

porfyrivrohi said:

Yes, you have completely creeped me out now.

And I'm done with this mess. Thank God I live in the US.

I don't care if my daughter (when and if I have one) looks like Pamela Anderson and is 17 years old. That motherfucker better wait a year. Same goes for my son (when and if I have one).

If having a relationship with a child were legal, then I suspect being able to marry one would be legal where you are from, or dothejump or the other orgers in agreement with you.

If having a relationship with a child were legal, then I suspect being able to marry one would be legal where you are from,

Vendetta1 said:

Marriage with a minor IS legal where I come from, provided the parents consent to it. There are many underaged girls with families and kids, especially in the country. Not only the state but the church also accepts those marriages.

Vendetta1 said:

Read my posts again. I have said several times that it is wrong for a 44 year old to have sex with a 13-year old. But there are so many aspects to this specific case that you cannot simply say "hang Polanski" (in my opinion of course).

He already pleaded guilty to having sex with a minor, and served 45 days in prison for it. He fled because the judge at the time backtracked and was going to put the guy away forever. I'm not excusing 13 year old rape, but are we trying the guy twice for one crime?

Genesia said:

No. Ur the one in everybodys face that does not concede to your opinions and I'm stating my own. If U had bothered to read my earlier posts U would clearly see that I am not defending this man, I simply look at all avenues and am not one dimensional as many of you are, including yourself!

Were U a witness to the rape? Then U cannot comment and state opinion as fact. I also find U are ignorant to the settlement associated with the aftermath and the fact this teen (not baby as U stated earlier) and her mother accepted a payout. Money talks...

And I'm done with Ur BS.

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Do you really expect your kids to have sex after they graduate? Sexual repression is known to cause issues...

porfyrivrohi said:

Not with an adult. If they're 16 and are messing around with their 15/16/17 year old boyfriend/girlfriend then I can't help that.

PanthaGirl said:

She was 13 and he was more than two years older. So legally it was rape. We didn't have to be there. All was needed was her testimony, factual and circumstantial evidence.
It would also be the state of the law at the time he was charged, not what the law is now.
Still comes out to rape.
That's not being narrow minded. That's the law.
I see the arguments of his defenders and those that are simply looking at the passage of time.
But there is no statute of limitations on murder for a reason isn't there?
He should do his time.

No one over there has the balls to actually speak the truth, because they are worried about their next gig, thats about it

Not with an adult. If they're 16 and are messing around with their 15/16/17 year old boyfriend/girlfriend then I can't help that.

SUPRMAN said:

The law is narrow minded!

2elijah said:

Since when is flirting a crime in the US?

Rape, yes. Statutory rape, yes. Sexual harassment, yes.

Flirting? Creepy, maybe. But a crime? I don't think so.

Please read what was written. She asked if flirting* with young girls is a crime. If it is, please show me the law that says so.


*To flirt = verb 2 a : to behave amorously without serious intent b : to show superficial or casual interest or liking ;

Note I did NOT say make sexual advances towards.

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I don't see how people, especially these so called celebrities are defending Polanski about all of this.

jone70 said:

I am only responding to your post once, to say this: I requested several times that you not respond to my posts. You know you and I have never got along as org members on this site. You have constantly complained in the past about how much you can't stand reading my posts, and wasted no time telling me that, but....here you are.... again. So you need to make up your mind. Why would you respond to an orger you constantly complain about? Seriously, I think it would serve both of us better if we just don't respond to each other's comments at all on this site. I honestly have no interest in what you have to say about my opinions on any topic discussed on this site, so I once again ask you respectfully, please do not respond to any of my posts, as you will not get a response from here on in.. Thank you kindly. End of conversation.
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