DesireeNevermind said:

I do remember noticing that he missed out the carnage but I can't remember the reason or if it was suspicious. I thought that afterwards he was shellshocked especially considering what he went thru during WWII with the Nazis that maybe this new tragedy made him regress emotionally so he could cope.

Besides, it's believed that the real targets of the Manson family were Doris Day's son and his girlfriend Candace Bergen, who rented the house right before Sharon and Roman moved in. Apparently, Doris' son used to manage the Beach Boys and Charlie Manson had auditioned to be a backup singer or some shit and was turned down. So, he sent the family to the house to kill them but found the other folks instead.
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It is 33 years ago. The USA could have arrested him earlier but they didn't. No, they showed his movies and even gave him an Oscar.

But even more important is this:

"Roman Polanski's victim Samantha Geimer upset by arrest, say family

Samantha Gailey, who goes by her married name, Geimer, was 13 when she met the director on a photo shoot for French Vogue. He was charged initially with drugging her, plying her with champagne, and raping her. He later pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of engaging in unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.

Mrs Geimer, now 45, lives on the remote Hawaiian island of Kauai, where she is married with three children and has built a new life.

She was visiting relatives with her husband David on the mainland when news of Polanski's arrest broke.

Speaking at the family home on Kauai, her son Jesse, 20, said: "She's sick of it. She was at a family reunion when all this blew up again.

"She's told us to just hunker down until she gets back and it's up to her whether she wants to say anything about it."

A neighbour said: "She'll be distraught that it's been dragged up again. It should have been finished and she just wants it to go away but by arresting him it's all come back again.

"She lives a quiet life here and doesn't want that ruined. She doesn't want anything to do with it anymore and I'm sure if they want her to give evidence or anything like that she wouldn't."

Mrs Geimer works as a bookkeeper for a local real estate business and lives in a large house on Kauai, which is known as the "Garden Isle" of Hawaii.

A large US flag flies proudly in front of the house along with two sports utility vehicles and a pick-up truck.

Mrs Geimer has already sued Polanksi and reached an undisclosed settlement.

Earlier this year she filed court papers asking that charges against him be dismissed."
source: http://www.telegraph.co.u...amily.html
[Edited 9/30/09 10:23am]

And:

" Polanski's victim, Samantha Geimer, told CNN's Larry King in 2003, that she wished the story and the case had ended, soon after it began three decades ago.

"The publicity was so traumatic and so horrible his punishment was secondary to just getting this whole thing to stop," Geimer said. "It was crazy. I never wanted him to go to jail."

source: http://edition.cnn.com/20....polanski/

SCNDLS said:

Good lawd if that aint some crazy shit! Hell, I wanted to be a Pussycat Doll but aint gonna kill nobody cuz the job interview didn't work out. Manson is too psycho for words. Every now and then he's shown on CNN or something and he just gets crazier as the years go by. I once saw an interview where the dude was trying to break dance.

dothejump said:

What does ANY of this have to do with him committing a crime against a child and running away from paying his debt to society???

DesireeNevermind said:

I wouldn't be surprised if there are dead bodies all over LA as a result of Nicole being a pussycat.

Yeah, that fool crazy tho. I wanna say that he hung out at the house with Terry Melcher, Doris' son, and Candace hence why he thought they still lived there.
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dothejump said:

What? Who does this Samantha Geimer think she is to forgive Polanski?

PANDURITO said:

Who said SHE can't forgive him??? The justice system doesn't have to tho cuz he broke all kinds of laws and fled like a punk. If you don't wanna go to jail don't break the law.

SCNDLS said:

What I said earlier: he should have been arrested much earlier. And it is hypocrite to show, watch and praise his movies for all those years if you now want to hang him. And because it is so long ago the victim doesn't want it to be brought up again. After 33 years of no action I think it is the right of the victim to say the case should be dismissed.
(and if you have missed it: I said before it is wrong for a 44 year old to have sex with a 13 year old. But don't try to 'practise the law' after more than three decades. (Polanski wasn't hiding in a cave so, again, he could have been arrested much earlier.)

SCNDLS said:

Or... don't be there to receive punishment

dothejump said:

Uh, he cannot be arrested in a foreign country without the active participation of said foreign government. So, no the US could not arrest him before now if France was protecting him. And it's dumb to think that the US would invade France sending a commando unit just to extract Roman Polanski.

The only reason he was caught now was because he publically agreed to go to Switzerland to receive an award months ago, alerting the world of where he would be on a particular date, and allowing the US and the Swiss could coordinate his apprehension. In the past, he would travel unannounced. So his dumb ass ain't got nobody but himself and his ego to blame for getting caught.

And this whole argument about giving praise and awards makes us hypocritical is some mo' bullshit. Please show me what praise or awards the LA district atty heaped on him or are you saying that the Academy Awards are now a legal entity capable of absolving celebrities from crimes???

Dude what are you getting about polanski not stepping foot on US soil for the last 33 years? You can be damn sure if he did he'd be arrested on the spot. Plus if it was no big deal for the girl and she dug the sex why would she be traumatized by it in any form now? If there was nothing wrong with what he did he shouldn't have run. For all anyone knows he could have gotten a light sentence and been done with. Fuck him. I don't give a damn how brilliant he is.

SCNDLS said:

You seem to have missed that he spent lots of time in Switzerland (He has a house there). And in other countries that have a pact with the USA. But only in 2005 American authorities issued an international search request.

And I'm not personally attacking you.

dothejump said:

Again, like I said, he rarely announced his travel plans in advance as he did this time. So when exactly do you think he shoulda been arrested??? Do you think the US should have staked out his house in Switzerland on the off chance that he would show up? I think it's as simple as the opportunity presented itself and the US seized his ass. Why are you more concerned about him being apprehended than him fleeing in the first place to avoid facing his crime?
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He never should have had a plea deal for that horrible crime. If he wasn't rich and famous he would have been locked up for years.

SCNDLS said:

The search warrant was only issued in 2005.

Anyway, I think it was wrong that he had sex with that young girl. And I think it is wrong to arrest him after 33 years and ignore the victim's wishes after such a long time.

dothejump said:

There has been an outstanding warrant for his arrest since 1978.

He didn't "have sex" with her...he "raped" her. Damn people get it together.

dothejump said:

Those issues are a completely different matter. Polanski's being an admitted child rapist does not change the fact that he is also a talented artist. Assuming his movie was the best in the category there's no reason to give the Academy Award to a different film just because the creator is a vile shit.

SCNDLS said:

The international search warrant only since 2005.

meow85 said:

I wouldn't go and watch a movie made by a child rapist. Just like I don't listen to cd's made by Charles Manson. And I think it was wrong of Guns n Roses to record a song by Manson. I won't support big time criminals in any way.

dothejump said:

That's your call. Everyone's got their own comfort level when it comes to these things. But as has been mentioned, the Academy is not an entity capable of or with the right to pass legal and moral judgment. If Polanski's movie was the best that year for that category, then it deserved to win. I highly doubt Academy members saw their voting for Polanski's film as an endorsement of his crime.

SCNDLS said:

Actually, I believe it was the Swiss authorities who arrested him, and as of yesterday, the US had not requested his extradition. (I think I read that on the NY Times.)

Here's an article and link:



Weird that the US would request the arrest, but have not yet asked for extradition. I think there is more to the story--with USB bank account holders. Maybe they are using Polanski as a bargaining chip?

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DesireeNevermind said:

He was never convicted of rape.

I'm not condoning what he did in the past, but I just don't understand what good it has done in the present to drag this up.

You know, his family will be going through Hell now too.

GirlBrother said:

Plenty of people who have committed rape are never convicted. What part of drugging a minor then forcibly committing a sec act on her isn't rape?

So you're real issue here is that the US did not file the correct paperwork? The US tried to extradite him soon after he fled there and France refused. This is not the only time France has harbored criminals and refused to turn them over to the US. So I still don't understand why you're stressing this.

You do realize that his charges were not federal charges so it's really not high on the US government's list of priorities to pursue someone internationally for state-level charges. Besides, just because the international warrant was not filed until 4 years ago does not mean that they were not trying to get him quietly before that>

jone70 said:

Yes, but they wouldn't have done so without the US asking them to.

GirlBrother said:

Actually, he plead guilty to, and was convicted of having sex with a 13 year-old girl (e.g. statutory rape), which was a lesser plea than him being convicting of also drugging and sodomizing her (can't remember the exact wording for the other charges).

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GirlBrother said:

He pled guilty to unlawful sex with a 13 year old whom he plied with alcohol and drugs. So you really wanna parse words here? If this were your child would you be willing to leave it in the past since he wasn't convicted of rape?

jone70 said:

Jinx!