dothejump said: But still my other questions stand: Why did it take more than thirty years to arrest him? That's a good question. The NY Times seems to think it has something to do with the Dept. of Justice investigating USB account holders in Switzerland. See this article. Why do you give a rapist an Oscar?
Good question. Why is it OK to show and watch his movies?
I guess that's a personal decision. Can you - do you want to - separate the art from the person? And if so, what's your threshhold? The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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Can't stand how these self-important, smug lovies are trying to stick up for him. Perhaps they're struggling to come to terms with the fact that abusers can be successful seemingly intelligent people too. They come in all shapes and sizes, and the fact that he is successful in the movie world offers no excuse whatsoever for the horrible crimes he committed against a child. Years before the term 'grooming' existed, he manipulated, gave alcohol too, and drugged a child before raping them in every orifice possible. Perhaps the facts of these case should be remembered by those paedo-apologists who seem to want excuse him because of a few half-decent films. Let him rot. Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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muirdo said: Can't stand how these self-important, smug lovies are trying to stick up for him. Perhaps they're struggling to come to terms with the fact that abusers can be successful seemingly intelligent people too. They come in all shapes and sizes, and the fact that he is successful in the movie world offers no excuse whatsoever for the horrible crimes he committed against a child.
Years before the term 'grooming' existed, he manipulated, gave alcohol too, and drugged a child before raping them in every orifice possible. Perhaps the facts of these case should be remembered by those paedo-apologists who seem to want excuse him because of a few half-decent films. Let him rot. I heard Whoopi Goldberg's lame excuse on 'The View'. Can't believe she said that shit with a straight face. I guess you lose your fucking mind when you join the Hollywood establishment. | |
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jone70 said:[quote] dothejump said: But still my other questions stand: Why did it take more than thirty years to arrest him? That's a good question. The NY Times seems to think it has something to do with the Dept. of Justice investigating USB account holders in Switzerland. See this article. Good question. Why is it OK to show and watch his movies?
I guess that's a personal decision. Can you - do you want to - separate the art from the person? And if so, what's your threshhold?[/quote] This is a problem that I face with film makers, I admit. There is a part of me that detests Woody Allen the man, that sexually experimented with his life partner's 15 year old adopted daughter. For me, the fact that they were raising her adopted children together puts him in the role of father. Adoption papers or not I see him as having screwed around with a girl in his care that he was a guardian to. I think it's repulsive. Yet having watched and adored all his films since I was young it's difficult for me to not take notice of his work as Woody Allen the film maker. I haven't figured out where my threshold is for boycotting an these crazy ass directors. | |
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I just watched Rosemary's Baby. If that doesn't convince you he's nuts, I don't know what will!
But I do like his movies. I try to separate the person from the art. So many great artists were not great people. Art is where we can be better than ourselves. Just my opinion, I don't expect everyone to feel the same. My Legacy
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http://www.thesmokinggun....over1.html
Polanski The Predator Recently unsealed grand jury minutes detail 1977 sex assault MARCH 11--It's been 26 years since Roman Polanski's arrest for sexually abusing a 13-year-old girl, but the director's Oscar nomination and the success of his film "The Pianist" has again focused attention on the March 1977 crime that prompted his French exile. Polanski, 69, will not discuss the case and his victim, Samantha Geimer, now 39, has recently said that the sex assault should not color his chances with Academy Award voters. But that, of course, does not lessen the severity of the crime, which is graphically detailed in the following grand jury testimony, which was quietly unsealed four months ago by L.A. Superior Court Judge David Wesley. Two weeks after Polanski plied her with Champagne and a Quaalude, Samantha Gailey appeared before an L.A. grand jury and recalled Polanski's predatory behavior in a Mulholland Canyon home owned by Jack Nicholson. The teenager's troubling--and contemporaneous--account of her abuse at Polanski's hands begins with her posing twice for topless photos that the director said were for French Vogue. The girl then told prosecutors how Polanski directed her to, "Take off your underwear" and enter the Jacuzzi, where he photographed her naked. Soon, the director, who was then 43, joined her in the hot tub. He also wasn't wearing any clothes and, according to Gailey's testimony, wrapped his hands around the child's waist. The girl testified that she left the Jacuzzi and entered a bedroom in Nicholson's home, where Polanski sat down beside her and kissed the teen, despite her demands that he "keep away." According to Gailey, Polanski then performed a sex act on her and later "started to have intercourse with me." At one point, according to Gailey's testimony, Polanski asked the 13-year-old if she was "on the pill," and "When did you last have your period?" Polanski then asked her, Gailey recalled, "Would you want me to go in through your back?" before he "put his penis in my butt." Asked why she did not more forcefully resist Polanski, the teenager told Deputy D.A. Roger Gunson, "Because I was afraid of him." Following his indictment on various sex charges, Polanski agreed to a plea deal that spared him prison time (he had spent about 45 days in jail during a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation). But when it seemed that a Superior Court judge might not honor the deal--and sentence Polanski to prison--the director fled the country. ***** At the bottom of the page on the Smoking Gun they have the links to the full court transcripts... | |
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uPtoWnNY said: I heard Whoopi Goldberg's lame excuse on 'The View'. Can't believe she said that shit with a straight face. I guess you lose your fucking mind when you join the Hollywood establishment.
Oh, God. They sound like us. We've turned into The View. | |
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He should be brought here to face the charges to which he plead guilty. The 45 days was for a physiological evaluation prior to sentencing. So he has not served his term. This has nothing to do with double jeopardy. And there is no statute of limitations on being a fugitive from justice. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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Ottensen said: There is a part of me that detests Woody Allen the man, that sexually experimented with his life partner's 15 year old adopted daughter. For me, the fact that they were raising her adopted children together puts him in the role of father. Adoption papers or not I see him as having screwed around with a girl in his care that he was a guardian to.
Funny that you should mention Woody Allen... He's signed a petition to free Roman Polanski. http://bit.ly/WTYX5 He's probably not the best celebrity to have on your side. As one comment states: Woody Allen needs to keep his mouth shut and stay out of the situation. He has no room to talk. When you have changed your girlfriends pampers then you have some serious mental problems. | |
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GirlBrother said: Ottensen said: There is a part of me that detests Woody Allen the man, that sexually experimented with his life partner's 15 year old adopted daughter. For me, the fact that they were raising her adopted children together puts him in the role of father. Adoption papers or not I see him as having screwed around with a girl in his care that he was a guardian to.
Funny that you should mention Woody Allen... He's signed a petition to free Roman Polanski. http://bit.ly/WTYX5 He's probably not the best celebrity to have on your side. As one comment states: Woody Allen needs to keep his mouth shut and stay out of the situation. He has no room to talk. When you have changed your girlfriends pampers then you have some serious mental problems. OUCH! But it's a true sentiment. | |
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GirlBrother said: Ottensen said: There is a part of me that detests Woody Allen the man, that sexually experimented with his life partner's 15 year old adopted daughter. For me, the fact that they were raising her adopted children together puts him in the role of father. Adoption papers or not I see him as having screwed around with a girl in his care that he was a guardian to.
Funny that you should mention Woody Allen... He's signed a petition to free Roman Polanski. http://bit.ly/WTYX5 He's probably not the best celebrity to have on your side. As one comment states: Woody Allen needs to keep his mouth shut and stay out of the situation. He has no room to talk. When you have changed your girlfriends pampers then you have some serious mental problems. I want Woody to keep talking, just to make things worse for Polanski. | |
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Ottensen said: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html
Polanski The Predator Recently unsealed grand jury minutes detail 1977 sex assault MARCH 11--It's been 26 years since Roman Polanski's arrest for sexually abusing a 13-year-old girl, but the director's Oscar nomination and the success of his film "The Pianist" has again focused attention on the March 1977 crime that prompted his French exile. Polanski, 69, will not discuss the case and his victim, Samantha Geimer, now 39, has recently said that the sex assault should not color his chances with Academy Award voters. But that, of course, does not lessen the severity of the crime, which is graphically detailed in the following grand jury testimony, which was quietly unsealed four months ago by L.A. Superior Court Judge David Wesley. Two weeks after Polanski plied her with Champagne and a Quaalude, Samantha Gailey appeared before an L.A. grand jury and recalled Polanski's predatory behavior in a Mulholland Canyon home owned by Jack Nicholson. The teenager's troubling--and contemporaneous--account of her abuse at Polanski's hands begins with her posing twice for topless photos that the director said were for French Vogue. The girl then told prosecutors how Polanski directed her to, "Take off your underwear" and enter the Jacuzzi, where he photographed her naked. Soon, the director, who was then 43, joined her in the hot tub. He also wasn't wearing any clothes and, according to Gailey's testimony, wrapped his hands around the child's waist. The girl testified that she left the Jacuzzi and entered a bedroom in Nicholson's home, where Polanski sat down beside her and kissed the teen, despite her demands that he "keep away." According to Gailey, Polanski then performed a sex act on her and later "started to have intercourse with me." At one point, according to Gailey's testimony, Polanski asked the 13-year-old if she was "on the pill," and "When did you last have your period?" Polanski then asked her, Gailey recalled, "Would you want me to go in through your back?" before he "put his penis in my butt." Asked why she did not more forcefully resist Polanski, the teenager told Deputy D.A. Roger Gunson, "Because I was afraid of him." Following his indictment on various sex charges, Polanski agreed to a plea deal that spared him prison time (he had spent about 45 days in jail during a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation). But when it seemed that a Superior Court judge might not honor the deal--and sentence Polanski to prison--the director fled the country. ***** At the bottom of the page on the Smoking Gun they have the links to the full court transcripts... So, who here is saying that in any situation or circumstance it is acceptable for a 43 year old man to sodomize a 13 year old he got drunk and high??? | |
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GirlBrother said: uPtoWnNY said: I heard Whoopi Goldberg's lame excuse on 'The View'. Can't believe she said that shit with a straight face. I guess you lose your fucking mind when you join the Hollywood establishment.
Oh, God. They sound like us. We've turned into The View. Shame on Whoopi. WTF is she smoking - it wasn't rape-rape????? | |
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Stones! I have stones! Feel the quality of my stones.
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I was looking at the pic of that Geimer woman when she was a girl...she was mighty pretty and **gulp** sassy looking. No wonder horny toad Roman was tryna hit that. Still foul as hell tho. Her parents are just all kinds of trifling for leaving her with that pedo. | |
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I cannot believe anyone would try to make this any less heinous than it is. Whoopi...I just don't understand.
He drugged this kid and got her drunk. HE SODOMIZED HER!!!! Let me do this type of shit to any of the people here kids that are trying to rationalize this shit and see how you feel then. | |
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GirlBrother said: uPtoWnNY said: I heard Whoopi Goldberg's lame excuse on 'The View'. Can't believe she said that shit with a straight face. I guess you lose your fucking mind when you join the Hollywood establishment.
Oh, God. They sound like us. We've turned into The View. There are some things no one should ever be forced to do, some acts so vile and horrible they are difficult to endure, no matter how old or young a person is. Watching The View is one of them. Also, Polanski's a piece of shit. | |
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dustysgirl said: I was watching Nancy Grace last night. She had the original statement from the victim. She was indeed at his house for a photo shoot. He gave her champagne and drugs. He had her posing topless in a hot tub. She said she was nervous, but thought the shots would not show her breasts. He then got in the tub with her. She felt scared and told him she wanted to go home and faked having an asthma attack.
He took her in the house and told her she needed to just lie down. He then took her to a dark room. She said she knew what he wanted and kept telling him she wanted to go home. He wouldn't let up so she gave in, figuring he would then let her go home. At one point, there was a knock at the door. He got up off of her and she also headed for the door to get out. He grabbed her back and started to sodomize her. That is rape. My daughter will be 13 in a couple of months and I shudder to think of her in this situation and what she would do/think of to get out of it. Sure, her parents shouldn't have let her alone over there, but it was the '70s and parents were a lot more naive back then. When I was 17 (yes, much older), I had a guy whom I was making out with keep trying to get me to have sex with him. I kept telling him no and that I had to go home. He wouldn't stop or get off of me. I said, "fine," simply to get it over with and be able to go home. Some kids don't know how to get themselves out of bad situations. The parents actually introduced her to him, in full knowledge of his preferences. The parents weren't at all naive, They were Ambitious. I don't get how polanski can be charged with this, if the parents don't even get questioned. small circles, big wheels!
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Vendetta1 said: I cannot believe anyone would try to make this any less heinous than it is. Whoopi...I just don't understand.
He drugged this kid and got her drunk. HE SODOMIZED HER!!!! Let me do this type of shit to any of the people here kids that are trying to rationalize this shit and see how you feel then. People have lost their fucking minds. | |
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SCNDLS said: Ottensen said: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html
Polanski The Predator Recently unsealed grand jury minutes detail 1977 sex assault MARCH 11--It's been 26 years since Roman Polanski's arrest for sexually abusing a 13-year-old girl, but the director's Oscar nomination and the success of his film "The Pianist" has again focused attention on the March 1977 crime that prompted his French exile. Polanski, 69, will not discuss the case and his victim, Samantha Geimer, now 39, has recently said that the sex assault should not color his chances with Academy Award voters. But that, of course, does not lessen the severity of the crime, which is graphically detailed in the following grand jury testimony, which was quietly unsealed four months ago by L.A. Superior Court Judge David Wesley. Two weeks after Polanski plied her with Champagne and a Quaalude, Samantha Gailey appeared before an L.A. grand jury and recalled Polanski's predatory behavior in a Mulholland Canyon home owned by Jack Nicholson. The teenager's troubling--and contemporaneous--account of her abuse at Polanski's hands begins with her posing twice for topless photos that the director said were for French Vogue. The girl then told prosecutors how Polanski directed her to, "Take off your underwear" and enter the Jacuzzi, where he photographed her naked. Soon, the director, who was then 43, joined her in the hot tub. He also wasn't wearing any clothes and, according to Gailey's testimony, wrapped his hands around the child's waist. The girl testified that she left the Jacuzzi and entered a bedroom in Nicholson's home, where Polanski sat down beside her and kissed the teen, despite her demands that he "keep away." According to Gailey, Polanski then performed a sex act on her and later "started to have intercourse with me." At one point, according to Gailey's testimony, Polanski asked the 13-year-old if she was "on the pill," and "When did you last have your period?" Polanski then asked her, Gailey recalled, "Would you want me to go in through your back?" before he "put his penis in my butt." Asked why she did not more forcefully resist Polanski, the teenager told Deputy D.A. Roger Gunson, "Because I was afraid of him." Following his indictment on various sex charges, Polanski agreed to a plea deal that spared him prison time (he had spent about 45 days in jail during a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation). But when it seemed that a Superior Court judge might not honor the deal--and sentence Polanski to prison--the director fled the country. ***** At the bottom of the page on the Smoking Gun they have the links to the full court transcripts... So, who here is saying that in any situation or circumstance it is acceptable for a 43 year old man to sodomize a 13 year old he got drunk and high??? Chile, I don't know. It reeks of all kinds of nastiness, don't it ? | |
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Ottensen said: SCNDLS said: So, who here is saying that in any situation or circumstance it is acceptable for a 43 year old man to sodomize a 13 year old he got drunk and high??? Chile, I don't know. It reeks of all kinds of nastiness, don't it ? Gurl, I'm all the way confuzzled up in here. | |
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I think people are hung up on the fact that the victim doens't want Polanski tried and is considering it "water under the bridge" for lack of a better term and also that so many years have passed.
Those circumstances should be irrelevant since he fled. Also, I thought judges didn't have to honor plea deals if they felt justice wasn't being served. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: I think people are hung up on the fact that the victim doens't want Polanski tried and is considering it "water under the bridge" for lack of a better term and also that so many years have passed.
Those circumstances should be irrelevant since he fled. Also, I thought judges didn't have to honor plea deals if they felt justice wasn't being served. I'm more concerned with the comments about she wasn't a virgin and knew what she was going there for which is ludicrous. Now, there was some serious shenanigans going on with the judge who was himself an attention seeking whore. Have you seen the HBO documentary about this case? It was really good but that fool still need to go to jail. | |
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SCNDLS said: DesireeNevermind said: I think people are hung up on the fact that the victim doens't want Polanski tried and is considering it "water under the bridge" for lack of a better term and also that so many years have passed.
Those circumstances should be irrelevant since he fled. Also, I thought judges didn't have to honor plea deals if they felt justice wasn't being served. I'm more concerned with the comments about she wasn't a virgin and knew what she was going there for which is ludicrous. Now, there was some serious shenanigans going on with the judge who was himself an attention seeking whore. Have you seen the HBO documentary about this case? It was really good but that fool still need to go to jail. I need to see it again. I only saw part of it and walked away thinking Polanski had a hand in offing his wife. I agree the comments regarding her age and virginal status are ludicrous. People really do think that way. Like if you're not a virgin or if you're perceived to be a smart and liberal teen that you can't also be raped. I don't think anyone adult or child wakes up one day and says "ya know, today is a good day to get drugged, liquored up and sodomized by a an old film maker!" Maybe to some people on here this isn't an issue of rape but more a fantasy that they have. Whoopie tho...she need a bitchslap. Shame on her. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: SCNDLS said: I'm more concerned with the comments about she wasn't a virgin and knew what she was going there for which is ludicrous. Now, there was some serious shenanigans going on with the judge who was himself an attention seeking whore. Have you seen the HBO documentary about this case? It was really good but that fool still need to go to jail. I need to see it again. I only saw part of it and walked away thinking Polanski had a hand in offing his wife. I agree the comments regarding her age and virginal status are ludicrous. People really do think that way. Like if you're not a virgin or if you're perceived to be a smart and liberal teen that you can't also be raped. I don't think anyone adult or child wakes up one day and says "ya know, today is a good day to get drugged, liquored up and sodomized by a an old film maker!" Maybe to some people on here this isn't an issue of rape but more a fantasy that they have. Whoopie tho...she need a bitchslap. Shame on her. Girl, stop! Why'd you think that? | |
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SCNDLS said: DesireeNevermind said: I need to see it again. I only saw part of it and walked away thinking Polanski had a hand in offing his wife. I agree the comments regarding her age and virginal status are ludicrous. People really do think that way. Like if you're not a virgin or if you're perceived to be a smart and liberal teen that you can't also be raped. I don't think anyone adult or child wakes up one day and says "ya know, today is a good day to get drugged, liquored up and sodomized by a an old film maker!" Maybe to some people on here this isn't an issue of rape but more a fantasy that they have. Whoopie tho...she need a bitchslap. Shame on her. Girl, stop! Why'd you think that? nd better yet, what was the name of this documentary? I need to look for this on youtube when I get back | |
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Ottensen said: SCNDLS said: Girl, stop! Why'd you think that? nd better yet, what was the name of this documentary? I need to look for this on youtube when I get back Wanted and Desired it was really good. [Edited 9/30/09 9:09am] | |
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DesireeNevermind said: SCNDLS said: I'm more concerned with the comments about she wasn't a virgin and knew what she was going there for which is ludicrous. Now, there was some serious shenanigans going on with the judge who was himself an attention seeking whore. Have you seen the HBO documentary about this case? It was really good but that fool still need to go to jail. I need to see it again. I only saw part of it and walked away thinking Polanski had a hand in offing his wife. I agree the comments regarding her age and virginal status are ludicrous. People really do think that way. Like if you're not a virgin or if you're perceived to be a smart and liberal teen that you can't also be raped. I don't think anyone adult or child wakes up one day and says "ya know, today is a good day to get drugged, liquored up and sodomized by a an old film maker!" Maybe to some people on here this isn't an issue of rape but more a fantasy that they have. Whoopie tho...she need a bitchslap. Shame on her. Wait, you mean his wife or his girlfriend Sharon Tate...she was the one who was murdered during the Manson Family massacre...she was pregnant at the time (7 or 8 months) and they carved the baby out of her stomach....I loved her because she's one of the stars of my favorite cult movie "Valley of The Dolls" from Jacqueline Szsanne. She was sooo gorgeous. | |
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Ottensen said: DesireeNevermind said: I need to see it again. I only saw part of it and walked away thinking Polanski had a hand in offing his wife. I agree the comments regarding her age and virginal status are ludicrous. People really do think that way. Like if you're not a virgin or if you're perceived to be a smart and liberal teen that you can't also be raped. I don't think anyone adult or child wakes up one day and says "ya know, today is a good day to get drugged, liquored up and sodomized by a an old film maker!" Maybe to some people on here this isn't an issue of rape but more a fantasy that they have. Whoopie tho...she need a bitchslap. Shame on her. Wait, you mean his wife or his girlfriend Sharon Tate...she was the one who was murdered during the Manson Family massacre...she was pregnant at the time (7 or 8 months) and they carved the baby out of her stomach....I loved her because she's one of the stars of my favorite cult movie "Valley of The Dolls" from Jacqueline Szsanne. She was sooo gorgeous. Yeah her. The docu had some GREAT candid film that he took of her in private moments that showed how sweet she really was. Hey, Roman went through some things in his life escaping the Nazis, losing his mother in a concentration camp, the gruesome, public murder of his wife and child . . . but all that does not absolve him from taking advantage of and raping a child a crime he has not paid for. | |
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SCNDLS said: DesireeNevermind said: I need to see it again. I only saw part of it and walked away thinking Polanski had a hand in offing his wife. I agree the comments regarding her age and virginal status are ludicrous. People really do think that way. Like if you're not a virgin or if you're perceived to be a smart and liberal teen that you can't also be raped. I don't think anyone adult or child wakes up one day and says "ya know, today is a good day to get drugged, liquored up and sodomized by a an old film maker!" Maybe to some people on here this isn't an issue of rape but more a fantasy that they have. Whoopie tho...she need a bitchslap. Shame on her. Girl, stop! Why'd you think that? I dunno...the bit I saw mentioned his philandering and how they always had strangers over their home then it seemed all suspicious about him not coming home when he was supposed to. Plus the footage of him talking about her death; he didn't seem all too grieved. But I definitely have to watch it again in it's entirety. | |
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