parents don't always get the "i need me time" provision and sometimes you need to give them a little pushback and closed-door action to stake your boundaries. if you were living with a roommate, i'd say there's absolutely NO reason for you to put up with it. however, when you're in a relationship and living together, be prepared to kiss that hour of "me time" buh-bye. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: sammij said: Before or after she bludgeons me to death? She's paying for the mac, eventhough my dad said he would, she refused... and scolded me for it. ITS NOT MY FAULT THE PROGRAM REQUIRES IT. Really, if it didn't cost just as much to upgrade everything on THIS mac (and if it wasn't acting all shady to boot), i would've done it by now! No sense of humor I see Honestly, I could become a street worker and my mother would not interfere Is your mom a natural born Canadian cuz this behavior is very UN CANADIAN! Jamaican born and raised She's not just Jamaican, she's old school Jamaican. [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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graphic design used to be the second most expensive course you could do
(first was gold and silversmithing ) if they are teaching you CS4 or whatever, you'd need a macbook pro, right? we used to have to make everything by hand back in the olden days to mimic a finished printed piece. Custom letraset anyone? Screenprinting, bromide paper and chemicals when I get home, no wait. I never actually leave! when everyone ELSE gets home they should most definitely NOT talk for at least an hour, especially not to me | |
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ZombieKitten said: graphic design used to be the second most expensive course you could do
(first was gold and silversmithing ) if they are teaching you CS4 or whatever, you'd need a macbook pro, right? we used to have to make everything by hand back in the olden days to mimic a finished printed piece. Custom letraset anyone? Screenprinting, bromide paper and chemicals when I get home, no wait. I never actually leave! when everyone ELSE gets home they should most definitely NOT talk for at least an hour, especially not to me it is CS4 and there's a class where we don't use macs at all, just do it by hand, so hopefully there'll be a nice balance of the manual vs the digital i just hope i get a chance to enjoy it [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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Sammi, in a past life we were conjoined twins If you will, so will I | |
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sammij said: ZombieKitten said: graphic design used to be the second most expensive course you could do
(first was gold and silversmithing ) if they are teaching you CS4 or whatever, you'd need a macbook pro, right? we used to have to make everything by hand back in the olden days to mimic a finished printed piece. Custom letraset anyone? Screenprinting, bromide paper and chemicals when I get home, no wait. I never actually leave! when everyone ELSE gets home they should most definitely NOT talk for at least an hour, especially not to me it is CS4 and there's a class where we don't use macs at all, just do it by hand, so hopefully there'll be a nice balance of the manual vs the digital i just hope i get a chance to enjoy it yes it's an awesome profession | |
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thekidsgirl said: Sammi, in a past life we were conjoined twins
i'm having one of those nights now... i just want to give up, and give my mom all her money back... i don't know if this sort of treatment is worth a diploma? [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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ZombieKitten said: sammij said: it is CS4 and there's a class where we don't use macs at all, just do it by hand, so hopefully there'll be a nice balance of the manual vs the digital i just hope i get a chance to enjoy it yes it's an awesome profession y'know, under all the drepression i've been suffering, and the added stress of everything else on top of that, the verbal whoopings from the madre, etc.... i'm really fucking excited to haul some fucking ass in this program, because i know i can do it... i'm just waiting to really immerse myself in some late night type of homework, the ones i stay on campus until close for i said it before and i'll say it again - it's the worst thing to go to school and live at home... and having said it while not experiencing it, i can confirm it now after living it. i think i just have to work extra hard at watching my health and not let it take a beating - i tend to not eat when i'm this upset [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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sammij said: thekidsgirl said: Sammi, in a past life we were conjoined twins
i'm having one of those nights now... i just want to give up, and give my mom all her money back... i don't know if this sort of treatment is worth a diploma? Tough it out girlfriend! It will be worth it later Nothing worthwhile comes easy If you will, so will I | |
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thekidsgirl said: sammij said: i'm having one of those nights now... i just want to give up, and give my mom all her money back... i don't know if this sort of treatment is worth a diploma? Tough it out girlfriend! It will be worth it later Nothing worthwhile comes easy i know...it's true but when not even your parents are behind you (or they are and they make it clear they'd rather have no part in it)... that makes it hard to go on... i feel it's leftover resentment from not pursuing nursing, or a degree in the medical field.. [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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sammij said: thekidsgirl said: Tough it out girlfriend! It will be worth it later Nothing worthwhile comes easy i know...it's true but when not even your parents are behind you (or they are and they make it clear they'd rather have no part in it)... that makes it hard to go on... i feel it's leftover resentment from not pursuing nursing, or a degree in the medical field.. Times like this either toughen you up, and make you extra determined to prove your naysayers wrong or they break you...I'm experiencing the same thing with my mother who is insistent on me continuing to teach, and having yet another full time teacher. While I enjoy home-teaching for now, that is not what I went to school for, nor what I want to do for the rest of my life, but in our family it's the "safe and smart" career choice. Her pushiness though, I'm finding, is making me extra determined to get a job that I really love even though so far it has been a chore If you will, so will I | |
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oh god, i feel you.
my dad has been unemployed for the better part of a year, and constantly takes out his frustration over it on me, in increasingly aggressive ways. my mother's doing nothing to dissuade him from doing it. | |
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evenstar3 said: oh god, i feel you.
my dad has been unemployed for the better part of a year, and constantly takes out his frustration over it on me, in increasingly aggressive ways. my mother's doing nothing to dissuade him from doing it. roles reversed my dad understands my plight, but stands in the shadows of my my mother's fiery tongue.. it's rough. [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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Right now I don't know if I could be a big help in advice to you seeing how this is my first time dealing with a child whose just entered high school I get frustrated a lot because my boys have no idea about the things I go through to keep things smooth everyday. I'm behind in bills, I've been wearing the same pair of gym shoes for 2 years, and yet I manage to work hard to keep the lights on and still pay for books and fees for private high school AND grammar school. I want them to enjoy their youth and play their wiis and ps3s and skate board and look in the fridge and find food without thinking about what will they eat the next day. I was telling my man how I was talking on the phone to my sister about being poor and my youngest heard me. He said "we're poor?!!" I just told that no we're not poor. That being said every body needs space. I believe your mother loves you and means well.I think you should do what you've already done-Let her talk, even if its getting on your nerves and go to your room when she's done. Eventually you will finally be able to move out and be on your own until then just let it fly over your head | |
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sammij said: ZombieKitten said: yes it's an awesome profession y'know, under all the drepression i've been suffering, and the added stress of everything else on top of that, the verbal whoopings from the madre, etc.... i'm really fucking excited to haul some fucking ass in this program, because i know i can do it... i'm just waiting to really immerse myself in some late night type of homework, the ones i stay on campus until close for i said it before and i'll say it again - it's the worst thing to go to school and live at home... and having said it while not experiencing it, i can confirm it now after living it. i think i just have to work extra hard at watching my health and not let it take a beating - i tend to not eat when i'm this upset I don't know how you do it!!!! | |
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I understand, Sammi.
It can be tough, especially with a parent who has communication issues. To them, they might be clearly conveying how much they love you. To you, it's endless grief and confrontations. The issue of boundaries can be incredibly important, especially between mothers grappling with now-grownup daughters in a changing world. Perhaps part of the challenge for you is -- amid all the stressors you both have -- to understand that she might be dealing with the mercilessly quick passage of time whenever she looks at you, and to try to be patient. [Edited 9/8/09 18:42pm] | |
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sammij said: I'll get the venting over with first:
Ok, so today was the first day back to school. As many of you know I have just graduated from university. After an entire summer with no luck of employment (anywhere) I was pushed back into school. So now I'm going to college for creative graphic design. My mom had a huge hand in it all - I felt a lot of pressure from her to go back to school for something unrelated to my degree (i.e. Nursing.) regardless of how well I did in courses that would be required for that program. Anyway, after humouring her and going to an information session, I was told, by numerous administrative peoples on campus that I clearly was not cut out for any medical field - which confirmed what I had been arguing all this time. So for the entire summer, I've been walking on eggshells while living back home with the parentals. And all that school stuff had a lot to do with it. So anyway, I'm in school, still crossing my fingers that I'll get the student loan - otherwise, I'll have to drop out because my parents really don't have the money to fund my schooling. Strange how it was my mom's idea in the first place - and I know she means well, but when I try to explain to her how the student loan and postsecondary school systems work, she writes me off like I don't know WTF I'm talking about, regardless of having 4 years experience with it already or not. So I just do what she says (either that or have her make life extremely difficult for me at home) So it's the first day. So far so good. She's mad at me ( ) because my professors are telling me that the mac I'm working on now is not up to par with the software and file type that I'll be using (i need a new OS, more hard drive and waaaaay bigger ram. i'm working on 512M... so yeah, obviously.). So she's not in a great mood. At all. And of course, I'm to blame. This is what I want to know, are any of you like me - in the sense that when you get home from a long day, you need at least an hour of just you time? No talking to you, no questions, just, peace? I came in and was just looking for a bite to eat, and I get charged at. I just answer with "I'm tired" and she loses it, replying "YOU'RE tired? Well I'm EXHAUSTED." As if I was trying to compete to see who's having a rougher go. I don't really know how else to respond than with silence. So I STFU'd, and went straight up to my room. Which is what I was trying to do in the first place. I'm just so... frustrated. Very cool! I know exactly how u feel that was it 4 a looooong time b4 I got my booty back into school. And I'm the same way no talking just wanna chill with my fav tv show that is on. that never happens, unless im home alone. I cannot wait 2 move out but no money!!!!! Money problemos over here 2 with the fam, fantastic- just adds to the stress. I hope u get ur loan hun! | |
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Moderator | It's ok to vent.
You are stuck in a difficult situation. Some parents feel education is the key that opens a lot of doors and want their kids to be successful, hence the pressure. Maybe your parents did not have the opportunities you have now or maybe they are trying to live their dreams through you, I dunno. I do think you need your own space somehow have your own place away from the pressures of home. I'm sure you have enough pressures at school as it is. Maybe live in a dorm is one suggestion. I hope things turn out ok for you Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture! REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince "I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben |
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heybaby said: Right now I don't know if I could be a big help in advice to you seeing how this is my first time dealing with a child whose just entered high school I get frustrated a lot because my boys have no idea about the things I go through to keep things smooth everyday. I'm behind in bills, I've been wearing the same pair of gym shoes for 2 years, and yet I manage to work hard to keep the lights on and still pay for books and fees for private high school AND grammar school. I want them to enjoy their youth and play their wiis and ps3s and skate board and look in the fridge and find food without thinking about what will they eat the next day. I was telling my man how I was talking on the phone to my sister about being poor and my youngest heard me. He said "we're poor?!!" I just told that no we're not poor. That being said every body needs space. I believe your mother loves you and means well.I think you should do what you've already done-Let her talk, even if its getting on your nerves and go to your room when she's done. Eventually you will finally be able to move out and be on your own until then just let it fly over your head
This is where I am coming from also exactly! I have 3 girls in private school, because I grew up in my towns crappy school system..I vowed my kids would not have to go through that crap. My oldest son is 26, he graduated from private school then went through 5 years of University with our help. After graduation, here he is again (god knows I love him) I know he can not afford a decent place on his own, in Santa Barbara. He has a full time job (a journalist) but my husband and I pay all the bills. He pays half the cable and a few random grocery shops. I do this for him to help him out, lord knows he better not be giving me any attitude. My 3 girls have it made, I pay their fancy dancy school, drive them to and from school each day, I volunteer 100 hours plus a year to their school in order to receive a decent scholarship for them. They also better keep their lip closed. Ohhh..sorry, I guess I am of no help to you. Just a Mother's point of view. | |
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Just .
It's all I got on this one. | |
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sammij said: Thanks all.
We are here 4 each other hun | |
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People have given some advice about letting your mother know your boundaries and that is good, but I think you should try and see things from your parent's perspective.
They probably are as anxious as you are for you to be out on your own again. Yes, they love you and will try and support you but they have been waiting a long time for their turn to do what they want sans children. They are making sacrifices by letting you come home, at 23, they do not owe you a place to crash. Would it kill you to make some small talk when you come home if that's what your mother would like? If you really CAN'T do that for her then could you try and make time for conversation another time? Maybe go out for coffee or walks or something. I know it can be a hard transition, but at 23 you should be becoming friends with your parents more than being their "child". That will be harder in some ways because you are depending on them right now, but the forced togetherness can work for the good if you let it. Good relationships take a lot of effort. I'm sorry if this sounds preachy but your time with them is limited and you should make the most of it while you can. My Dad has been gone for7 years now and my Mom just passed away last month. I would give anything to be able to make small talk with them again. "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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I have been seeing it from my parent's perspective for sometime now, I owe some attention to myself right now.
And thank you for the advice, regardless. [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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Ok now I'm just feeling plain guilty, so I have this to say:
My condolences to anyone who's lost their parents. I'm not venting about this because I take my parents for granted - which is obviously what most think. [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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you're position isn't unique at all sammi. You just need to get out on your own. I know, easier said than done.
My parents drive me nuts to this very day. | |
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I can relate Sammi....my mom acts like I don't know crap....anyway...I plan on going back to school....maybe for nursing...or something related...not sure....I'm not into nursing...but I want something that has a lot of job openings. unlucky7 reincarnated | |
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sammij said: I have been seeing it from my parent's perspective for sometime now, I owe some attention to myself right now.
And thank you for the advice, regardless. I know it's difficult all the way around. I wasn't trying to say that you don't deserve time to yourself. It's just that it could make things a lot easier if you find time to do fun things with your Mom. Maybe a couple hours two or three times a month where you do something together and have a rule that you can't discuss anything serious? It just sounds like she feels under-appreciated so it might help if you go that extra bit to show her that you do appreciate her. Giving her that time may be giving a gift to yourself too. You have my sympathy on the school and work situation, it's not an easy time to be starting out, even with an education it seems everyone wants you to have years of experience. quite a catch-22. Have you looked into doing freelance projects? "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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