Harlepolis said:

his movies are CRAP.

DesireeNevermind said:

True. Folks are bashing Tyler Perry but hey Menace 2 Society and
Juice were great pieces of work weren't they. Not saying everything
Tyler does is gold but damn cut dude some slack. I'm not overly
ecstatic about his tv shows but believe me i've seen fucking worse.
I've enjoyed all his movies. I thought Daddy's Little Girls and
Why did i get married were damn good. What other black director told
the story of Daddy's Little Girls from a single father perspective.
Tyler has also done well in giving actors opportunities they probably
would not gotten elsewhere mainly an org favorite Janet Jackson.

Harlepolis said:

Ahhh. Well to each his own but uh...don't most women regardless of ethnicity heal themselves with a good man after being done wrong by a bad one? Either that or go the celibate route? Women are emotional creatures and when one gets done wrong she don't stay quiet about it. I agree some black women are complex and multi-dimensional but many are predictable as well.

I think the "go to church" part is specific to his largely black female audience and I do believe the majority of a congregation at any black church is made up of women. I never saw Why Did I Get Married but I did enjoy Diary of a Mad Black Woman, Daddy's Little Girls and The Family That Preys. I mean his films have grossed over 400 million worldwide. Black people have come out in large support of his plays and films. The brotha must be doing something right (and positive).

phunkdaddy said:

Took the words right out of my mouth. Without guys like Tyler, Singleton, and Franklin we'd still be looking at Eddie doing the Klumps.

Harlepolis said:

co-

phunkdaddy said:

Nope, didn't like them either

Harlepolis said:

I wish I could come back as a man and marry you.

DesireeNevermind said:

Nope! Not necessarily Yes I AGREE, there're predictable ones,,,,but how many times should we get hammered on the head with the same "broken down in desparate need of a man" role over & over again? Give a girl some variety here.

And Marlboro have grossed OVER some countries budget, so what? It still make their product unhealthy(and I'm a smoker ) the point is, while I marvel at the fact that he's a remarkable businessman esp in this age of recession and also the fact that he's(to my knowledge) the only person who keeps hiring black actors/actresses, but it shouldn't stop us people from examining his work. Being passive for the sake of not getting labeled with the "hater" word will only get us ending up with more & more 1/2 assed bullshit coonfests like this guy's movies.

As for some black people seeing something in his movies,,,,,honest to god, I don't know what it is and I've been trying to find out. Kudos to them, that doesn't mean I will jump on that bandwagon anytime soon.
[Edited 9/9/09 18:50pm]

Vendetta1 said:

I wouldn't think twice, TRUST

Harlepolis said:

That last line:

It reminds me of Hollywood Shuffle by Robert Townsend. We can do quality films. Perry has a following so if he gets a little deeper, people will still come out to see it.

I've never understood what was supposed to be so good about this guy. Some people really do seem to rate him though.

Vendetta1 said:

Thing is,,,,

He can get a little deeper and improve on his material and despite my feelings about him, I'm actually willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Do you know that he'll be directing the movie version of Ntozake Shange’s play For Colored Girls Who Considered Suicide(When The Rainbow Isn't Enough)? While I'm skeptical about this, I'm also really intrested to see whats rolling up his sleeve. I just hope, no, I PRAY that he doesn't fuck this up.

Harlepolis said:

I didn't know this. I think we all better get on our knees and start praying now

Harlepolis said:

Don't know what it is you're looking for in a movie. Maybe you're the
classical movie type like Raisin in the Sun and Gone with the Wind.
There are some out there like that. Most modern movies we could spend
all day talking about buffoonery,stereotypes,and the like. You have
movies like 40 year old virgin, Superbad, Dodgeball, and the like to
be picky. At the end of the day they are all movies. Coming from a
black director's perspective i would watch Tyler's movies anyday over
some of the crap like Juice, Menace 2 Society, How High,etc.

Harlepolis said:

And there it is. You won't jump on the bandwagon but you will be walking with a small number of folks who likewise don't take the ride. I just think that everybody needs to be represented and fortunately or unfortunately, Tyler's films are representing a lot of black people. They see themselves in his films. And he's still giving us way better product and positive characters than any white film maker has ever done or other black film makers for that matter.

I can think of more crap than I can quality black films
In 30 secs flat

Soul Plane
Who's Your Caddy
Little Man
Pootie Tang
Don't Be a Menace To Society While Drinking Your Juice
Harlem Nights
Beauty Shop
Booty Call
Poetic Justice


now that's exploitation in a big fuckin' way.

phunkdaddy said:

oh i forgot about that piece of crap

Well...I think it's time for


THE WORST BLACK FILMS EVER MADE

and some of these films are actually pretty decent but wutevs.
http://www.iloveblackmovi...Worst.html

THE 100 WORST BLACK MOVIES (EVER)

1. Graffitti Bridge (1990)
2. Soul Plane (2004)
3. The Adventures of Pluto Nash (2002)
4. The Toy (1982)
5. Leonard Part 6 (1987)
6. Kazaam (1996)
7. Glitter (2001)
8. Belly (1998)
9. Pootie Tang (2001)
10. Mandingo (1975)

11. Vampire in Brooklyn (1995)
12. The Perfect Holiday (2007)
13. Phat Girlz (2006)
14. Girl 6 (1996)
15. The Cookout (2004)
16. I'm Bout It (1997)
17. Soul Man (1986)
18. Catwoman (2004)
19. Who’s Your Caddy? (2007)
20. B.A.P.S. (1997)

21. Beverly Hills Cop III (1994)
22. The Black Gestapo (1975)
23. How High (2001)
24. Meteor Man (1993)
25. In the Mix (2005)
26. Monster’s Ball (2001)
27. Juwanna Mann (2002)
28. Detroit 9000 (1973)
29. Ghost Dad (1990)
30. Phat Beach (1996)

31. Blankman (1994)
32. I Got the Hook Up (1998)
33. 3 Strikes (2000)
34. Norbit (2007)
35. Def by Temptation (1990)
36. Marci X (2003)
37. Foolish (1999)
38. Major Payne (1995)
39. House Party 4 (2000)
40. House Party 3 (1994)

41. Next Day Air (2009)
42. Under the Cherry Moon (1986)
43. House Guest (1995)
44. Meet Dave (2008)
45. Blackenstein (1973)
46. Woo (1998)
47. Boss’n Up (2005)
48. Irish Jam (2006)
49. King’s Ransom (2005)
50. Straight Out of Brooklyn (1991)

51. Coonskin (1975)
52. Hood of Horror (2006)
53. Love and a Bullet (2002)
54. My Baby’s Daddy (2004)
55. State Property 2 (2005)
56. State Property (2001)
57. Crossover (2006)
58. Boss Nigger (1975)
59. She Hate Me (2004)
60. Class Act (1992)

61. Bones (2001)
62. The Legend of Bagger Vance (2000)
63. See No Evil, Hear No Evil (1989)
64. Poetic Justice (1993)
65. The Walking Dead (1995)
66. The Fighting Temptations (2003)
67. The Man (2005)
68. Code Name: The Cleaner (2007)
69. The Wash (2001)
70. Soul Soldier (1970)

71. Livin’ Large (1991)
72. Head of State (2003)
73. Double Take (2001)
74. The Honeymooners (2005)
75. Burglar (1987)
76. Honky (1971)
77. Waist Deep (2006)
78. The Great White Hype (1996)
79. Good Burger (1997)
80. The Mighty Quinn (1989)

81. Penitentiary (1979)
82. Honey (2003)
83. Critical Condition (1987)
84. The Ladies Man (2000)
85. Johnson Family Vacation (2004)
86. The Distinguished Gentlemen (1992)
87. Beloved (1998)
88. Fat Albert (2004)
89. Superfly T.N.T. (1973)
90. Little Man (2006)

91. First Sunday (2008)
92. Sprung (1997)
93. Higher Learning (1995)
94. Holy Man (1998)
95. Who’s the Man? (1993)
96. Colors (1988)
97. Shaft (2000)
98. White Chicks (2004)
99. Queen of the Damned (2002)
100. The Wiz (1978)

Harlepolis said:

I would go see that.

DesireeNevermind said:

Perry will never touch Spielberg on quality with a mostly black cast.

phunkdaddy said:

No I'm not I like classic movies and I also like modern stuff just like the next girl, but I know when I'm getting fed with bullshit. In my case though, I have 0 tolerance for it. Yes I agree "at the end of the day they are all movies" but if you have kids, then I wouldn't underestimate the power of cinema and ALL media outlets if I were you, how they effect the minds of the young ones is pretty well documented.

Speaking of modern movies, go watch Medicine For Melancholy and Good Day To Be Black & Sexy, both movies came out last year,,,,,let me know what you think when you do.

DesireeNevermind said:

So be it, If I or anybody else don't settle for less just because the bad outweighs the good, then so be it.

And no, there're PLENTY of good black films(new or old) it just happens that in our case we have to pull up the effort to look for them. Check any of your local movie screenings(if you're a New Yorker or from LA, you're mostly lucky) you'll be blown away by the wealth of talent, intelligence and wit by black filmmakers, male or female.

Sadly, these movies don't get major distribution because "the power that be" believe that ANY black movie that stems away from "coonary" are too bourgeois,,,,and therefore don't sell

As much as I'd love to disagree with that,,,,its the sad truth. Thats what I meant when I said we don't have much balance in our movies, and that is why there's solace in "independent" black cinema because,,,,,at least, they get it and they have great deal of respect for their audience.

Harlepolis said:

Harlepolis said:

I actually think Perry's work is quite positive. His protagonists, even if they lose dignity, always triumphantly reclaim it... even if by modes that might be a bit too folky, old-fashioned and crassly religious for some. And while some of his characters uphold stereotypes that've plagued black folk, well, they're funny , some of these stereotypes are well grounded... at least enough that they can be appreciated as a sort of cultural shorthand, and they aren't used to paint an entire people as idiotic. Clearly he means well.

My problem with Perry is the quality of his execution. His stuff is consistently the most amateurish drivel I've ever seen. The plots are utterly predictable; there's never any engaging subtext going on; subtlety is all but absent in his work; the settings and characterizations are amazingly redundant; the dialogue always sets up a storm of moralistic diatribes; and motive, character, intent and consequences are all perfectly black or white, good or evil. Wall-to-wall theatrical fallacies! It's just stunningly simple stuff for an audience that can handle smarter work.

And I won't even get into his cheap, cable-access channel sets and costumes on stage, or his insistence on using big-name but can't-act-their-way-out-of-a-bag-with-holes-in-it celebrities. I mean, I know the man is proud of his indy roots, but, geez, he could spend a little of that bank he's been raking in.

And now a talk show? Eh... whatever. Maybe it'll distract him from more awful plays and movies.

Fury said:

Oh yeah,,

I'll be sitting on pins & needles for 2 hours just for the sake of watching Mary J,,,,,that bitch

Lammastide said:

I don't think his stereotypes are funny at all. As a matter of fact, there are white people in my office who are unafraid to say anything to me and they had less than flattering things to say about Tyler Perry and both his t.v. shows. Yes, it may be a few people saying things but unfortunately, we are sometimes judged as a whole in this country.

DesireeNevermind said:

I loved that movie,,,,,its one of Spike Lee's most underrated gems ever Ah well.

Vendetta1 said:

Not funny to me either corny at best, stereotyping at worst.

Vendetta1 said:

What sort of things did they say? Were they based on depictions in Perry's work?

Lammastide said:

They asked me if black people thought the Mr. Brown character was funny. They also thought he was a very negative stereotype.