SCNDLS said:

Romo may not put up the stats, but Jerry Jones won't have any regrets if they reach the playoffs.
T.O. is a great WR but not so great an individual. Especially in a team environment setting.
I don't think the 49'ers or Eagles regret cutting him loose.

SUPRMAN said:

Spoken like someone who reads the paper.

Graycap23 said:

His behavior is a distraction win or lose. People merely complain less when winning because of the benefits that accrue with winning.
However, his being a winner has never prevented him from being cut or traded.
So he's doing something that they won't, can't or simply don't ignore because they are winning.
Suffice it to say, he's a behavioral problem any way you slice it.

He such a team player, they keep getting rid of him?

I'm not buying it.
And you've presented nothing from his teammates to change that view.

I didn't like what went down with T.O and McNabb in Philly but
regardless of how it went with T.O in his prior 3 stops,I wanted
to see him succeed in Buffalo but it may be a trainwreck before
it even gets started. Their LT Jason Peters was traded to Philly
in the offseason,the o-line is starting two rookies and is in
shambles. Their star player Marshawn Lynch is suspended for the
first three games and who is gonna throw the ball to T.O.
Trent"JP Losman"Edwards?
They open up the season on the road at New England and they may put
up 51 on Buffalo on Monday night. They come back home to take on
Tampa which is a winnable game followed by New Orleans at home and
Miami on the road. I can see them starting off 1-3 winning the Tampa game
but if this team starts out 0-4 it's bye bye Dick Jauron.

SUPRMAN said:

He had ZERO issues in the locker room with the exception of the end of last season when he called Romo out for his overdependence on Witten and Jason Garrett's predictable play calling. He was 1000% on both counts and many of his teammates on both sides of the ball came out and agreed with him because they knew they couldn't win if those issues weren't addressed.

The local sports shows showed several on camera interviews with players agreeing with TO and speaking favorably about him. But when I saw ESPN on the same day they'd only say that he was divisive and attribute it to unnamed sources. They never reported any of the positive comments from his teammates that i saw locally every day. Why? Because people aren't gonna tune in to ESPN to hear that TO's teammates love his dirty drawers.

SCNDLS said:

I could do without that imagery. lol
So why release him then?
Everyone agrees that Romo won't be as productive without him, but Dallas took that chance. As did Philly. As did San Francisco.
IF his teammates love his . . .love him, why the constant involuntary change of scenery

SUPRMAN said:

Seems u need 2 do a lil more than read newspapers.
[Edited 9/8/09 13:58pm]

SUPRMAN said:

His teammates did not release him.....mgmt did.

Graycap23 said:

But you can't present another source for me?
You say talk to his team mates.
Where have they posted their impressions and opinions?
I have no problem with another source.

SCNDLS said:

I could do without that imagery. lol
So why release him then?
Everyone agrees that Romo won't be as productive without him, but Dallas took that chance. As did Philly. As did San Francisco.
IF his teammates love his . . .love him, why the constant involuntary change of scenery

SUPRMAN said:

Let me sum it up 4 u.
The players like T.O. and love the fact that he takes the HEAT off of the entire locker room. Coaches.....don't like that, on any LEVEL. They take that as an assault on their authority. Get it?

SUPRMAN said:

You know you liked it.

The reason he's not here is simple: He pissed off the QB by speaking the truth about him overrelying on Witten (his best friend and roommate on the road) and he pissed off the OC and future head coach by calling his play calling predictable. Those two and Jerry's son Stephen campaigned long and hard to get rid of him after that. The decision had absolutely nothing to do with his behavior in the locker room or how his team mates perceived him. Which is why through the ENTIRE off season Jerry swore up and down that TO wasn't going nowhere, even a week before he cut him. The word locally is that Stephen, Garrett, and a reluctant Phillips finally convinced Jerry that keeping Romo happy had to be the priority and he agreed to it reluctantly.

My point is that TO didn't have any issues with Romo until he told the truth to that reporter. And it was nothing on the scale of what happened in SF OR Philly. When he called those two out, he wasn't rude or obnoxious. A reporter asked him late in the season what he thought the problem was and he told them matter of factly. Afterwards, all of the other WRs and TEs except for Witten cosigned. Even the major defensive players agreed with him, Ware was especially vocal. But NONE of that was shown on ESPN.
[Edited 9/8/09 14:10pm]

Graycap23 said:

And you know this because?
1) Present or former NFL player
2) Present or former NFL coach or work for a coach
3) Talk with present and former players from S.F., Philly and Dallas?
4) There is the improbable possibility that you are T.O . . . .

But again, even if coaches don't like it (and I don't know why they'd care - they can still apply heat to one and all in that locker room regardless of the media/public perception and responses) why keep trading someone who helps you win.
The coaches only keep their jobs by winning. It would seem a no-brainer to keep someone who gives you that best chance.

I get what you are saying but it's speculative, not fact.

SUPRMAN said:

Items 1 thru 3 will do nicely.
.....and the post above.

Graycap23 said:

I'm sure.
I find it hilarious that nothing is ever T.O.'s fault. Bet he doesn't do more than two seasons max in Buffalo. Probably only one since they'll still be losers.

SCNDLS said:

I agree with you except the son's intervention and the week before his release.
I don't recall any of that.

But even holding him blameless and building him a statute in Dallas doesn't detract from the image he's created for himself.
We'll see if Jerry Jones' son has any pull in Buffalo . .. .

SUPRMAN said:

Did u read anything from me that states that nothing is T.O.'s fault?

phunkdaddy said:

I want him to do well in Buffalo to. Didn't they fire their OC too???

SUPRMAN said:

I saw Jerry on several local stations promising that TO was here to stay and the next week he was cut. What about the son's intervention don't you agree with? Stephen is the team's executive vp and directly manages all aspects of player personnel. He went from loving TO to hating his guts right after TO said what he said. Again, that didn't have shit to do with what was going on in the locker room.

I ain't saying nothing about building him a statue. What I AM saying is that the TO that was in Dallas is not the same guy that was in SF or Philly. He was still a big personality which all star WRs are but the image of being a cancer in the locker room that the national media focuses on cuz it sells is not accurate and I know this from the mouth of various players.

SCNDLS said:

I may have mistyped but I don't know anything about Jones' son's intervention except what you've shared.

Well let's see if this fourth marriage is an improvement . . .

WTF were the Raiders thinking, trading a draft pick for 30-year old Richard Seymour??

uPtoWnNY said:

This has been the ODDEST pre-season in recent memory cuz I can't remember all these types of changes, fired coordinators so close to the season opener. .

The Raiduhs have yet to hear from Richard Seymour.
I know he must be thinking what the hell did i do
to the Patriots to deserve this.

phunkdaddy said:

He has to report or he'll lose hella money. He ain't got no choice. Po thang.

The Raiduhs have yet to hear from Richard Seymour.
I know he must be thinking what the hell did i do
to the Patriots to deserve this.

phunkdaddy said:

The NFL is a young man's league and a cold-blooded business. You have to be willing to cut ties and get younger. Belicheat is stockpiling draft picks for the future. That's why the Pats are one of the best organizations.

uPtoWnNY said:

Exactly right.....while the Bears hold on 2 players like Tommy Harris who can barely walk.

Graycap23 said:

Pittsburgh's the same as NE....look at all the changes they've made over the years, especially on defense. As phunk said, they weren't afraid to let the talented Plax go and go with Ward.

I remember Chuck Knoll saying the mistake he made was staying with his core guys for too long. The team got old and struggled for a few years. Pitt & NE do it right - you have to replenish, even if it means cutting long-time players(like Toomer & Marvin Harrison).