papaaisaway said:

Oh, I disagree, whether people want to admit it or not, religion plays a roll in just about everything.

JustErin said:

like reading and writing
remember back in the olden days, ordinary folks couldn't read or write, but the guys in the church could! so they told everyone else what to do, cause that is what it said in the big book and added their own bits to it, like sluts aren't allowed in the house of the lord.

JustErin said:

We're a society that was based on religious concepts for literally thousands of years. It'd be naive to think the influence has gone away any just because in the last 30 or so years people go to church/temple/mosque less.

I've had this debate before with friends and a lot of it's because think that if they sleep with a lot of guys they're 'used' a lot more, it's like shagging guys wears their vagina down in some way or something LOL. And the whole flaps / wizard sleeve pussy crap is so overblown, that's just how some womens stuff develops, it's nothing to do with with how many gigglesticks have smashed the granny out of her like a lot of guys think. It's a mental thing aswell as guys want to think they're special being able to hit it, not taking some random guys sloppy seconds from not much earlier.

God im starting to sound like a woman im just gonna STFU, i think it all depends what reason the guy is fucking the woman, if it's to kind of take steps further in a relationship then it's a bit more touchy, but if it's just for the sake of a fuck then oh yeah treat her dirty and leave her looking like a painters radio with your potential children dying all over her face.

ZombieKitten said:

Sluts aren't allowed in the house of the Lord?

NightwalkerDNB said:

It's funny that a lot of guys have a lot of problem with with sex and respect. Like dirty sex should only be with girls you don't want to be with long term and they would never dream of treating their wife or serious girlfriend and/or mother to their children that same way.

It's totally lame and when I meet dudes like that they are laughed at and immediately dismissed.

JustErin said:

It's the whole "Madonna-Whore" syndrome. I think that it's very prevalant with us Hispanic guys.

PurpleJedi said:

JustErin...that was spoken like a true slut

...and rightly so, the 'modern independent' women should be 'judged' more harshly...because when it comes to relationships women are capable of anything...have little respect for themselves and their partners, even less morality (as demonstrated by some of the responses on this thread) low self worth and esteem...

Guys...just the guys, real men (not manginas or homosexuals/lesbians)..and women who are honest (lol!)...I have a question for you...when we use terms like 'dignity', 'integrity', 'honour'...does the modern woman come to mind?


that's all 4 now folks...


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funkyandy said:

x a million

Independence, self respect and confidence when it comes to one's sexuality sure upsets some men, doesn't it.

BklynBabe said:

You only need to sleep with one person to catch a disease and some people catch them from their supposedly monogamous partners.

JustErin said:

bingo!

!!...who's upset?!...a real man doesn't care what you do...you are free to do as you wish...and reap the consequences...funny how these independent feminist types still ask the guys to pay for the dinner and do car maintenance though...lol..

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funkyandy said:

If this is what you really think you must know some shitty women. That sucks.

But they do say that we tend to attract those that are most like ourselves in one way or another.

People who get caught up in gender rolls are pretty funny too.

JustErin said:

Well, it's kinda hard not to know some 'shitty' women isn't it since the percentage of them are increasing daily...makes the 10% that aren't that much more enjoyable to be around though...a real breath of fresh air...

In general though I know exactly what appeals to me in a woman and I avoid the rest...simple.

You may find gender roles amusing, I find them as natural as breathing...as do many 'independent' women I know...because we're not 'all the same'...only a rampant man-hating feminist would find them abhorrent and reactionary, because of course to them we are 'all the same' aren't we?...bi bi

P.S. I take back callin u a sl*t that was damn rude of me...unlike me also...I fell short of my own standards there...reacting to words on a screen.

Apart from that...blah.
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JustErin said:

Indeed !

funkyandy said:

I just find it interesting because I don't interact with these so called shitty women, sure they are out there but I don't surround myself with people I don't relate to. So if I can easily find good people, it can't be that hard.

I find gender roles amusing because it's not as natural as many people seem to think it is. We're conditioned by day one.

And gender roles should not be confused with the genetic differences between men and women. Only someone who was pretty ignorant would claim that both sexes are exactly the same, we're not...but only someone equally as ignorant would claim that anyone that feels gender roles are not natural would automatically think that we're all the same.

Oh, and as for being called a slut. Doesn't bother me. Call me whatever you want, it makes no difference to me.

Yawn...look, I don't mind engaging in a thread dominated by feminists and lesbians, it's just that it's boring to me and will go nowhere...i'm unapologetically a man who is happy with his role in life and his levels of testosterone...thank you very much...and has a normal relationship with women...not based on any kind of domination.

To whomever this may concern...you really must understand that not everyone (including many women) is sympathetic to the more extreme aspects of feminist thinking prevalent in society and educational institutions...or the state of modern womanhood...next will come the misogynistic accusation (for those that will be bothered).

35 years of feminism has made women unhappier than ever (not you of course!)...luckily many are now seeing through it...this is nothing to do with men who aren't perfect either...no one is...and for those who mistake true freedom for sexual promiscuity...I have nothing to say!...carry on...you do realise you have been totally duped by Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem (who was a CIA...oh never mind!)...

I still wish you heaven



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women are pigs, bottom line.

Oh,i didn't read your latest post before I responded with mine...I wasn't yawning at you JustErin...

Oh for sure there is a certain amount of conditioning...not denying that at all...

It's the fallacious extremist thinking...that is so obviously wrong...that mildly irritates me...if i choose to care about it...


peace

Women are totally not pigs! (lol)...some are former godessess who have fallen from grace...(just my opinion,don't get excited!)

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I've never been called a feminist in my entire life.

funkyandy said:

Women are generally unhappier now than back in the 60s?

sextonseven said:

Maybe just a different kind of unhappy.

JustErin said:

JustErin!...no I didn't call you one...I was talking generally on this thread (and making assumptions while I was at it!)

I must tone down my language and not overstate my case at times...so apologies to all on this thread for all name calling. I consider myself a strong man...not so strong as to be unable to apologise for my mistakes though... I have no ego in that way...

I won't bore anyone but obviously I've been through significant experiences that have coloured my views on things...in fact my book is nearly finished on the subject...it's not bitter...

I know personally about some of the the things gay and straight women have been through. I have lesbians who have been through serious drama and abuse and who only confide in me, so I know it's not all plain sailing...(I don't know why I said lesbians..probably just subconsciously trying to rectify things!)

But yeah...www.broken-rainbow.org for gays/lesbians who need support for domestic violence...quiet as it's kept...(UK based though).

I'm totally off topic so I'm getting out of here!...and I'm saying no more on the 'Huge Cleavage' thread also!...prefer a tasty ass anyway...


I wish u all heaven

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JustErin said:

Ladies...you really need to talk to women from that generation...I'm sure you have, the views are mixed...
Not all women want to 'compete' with men for this and that...not all women want be the CEO of, I dunno..'IBM' for example...

Some find happiness in motherhood...some women give up 'power' in exchange for a good man's love...then it's the man's duty not to abuse that which a woman 'gives up' due to her trust in him...there is power in that(I'm talking heterosexuals here)...

Look a serious deep relationship is different from the 'hooking up' culture for short term pleasure...that's all I'm saying..trust me...I'm an expert.
ummm...


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funkyandy said:

Wow, you're really missing the point when it comes to advocates of equal opportunity.

It's about having the option and having it unchallenged, about having the choice...not about assertion of power, not about trying to be a man, not about forcing expectations on women that they have to be more man-like or have what men have. It's about the right to pursue whatever she wants should she choose to do so and not be chastised or humiliated and treated unfairly if she does choose to take that path.

I mean, it can’t be that some women find traditional men’s jobs interesting or intriguing, now can it? No, it just has to be about her wanting to be like a man.

And in no way does a woman have to (or should) give up "power" to attain a "good" man's love. A "good" man would know this.

funkyandy said:

You are indeed a class act.

People who think find gender roles abhorrent. You find them natural. That says what?

meow85 said:

Meow85...You really have to establish that we mean the same things by 'gender roles' before you start your rant...and I don't know what it's supposed to 'say' either...I'll leave it for you to imagine...

I've apologised to JustErin..already about the name calling...end of...I don't think you were part of that conversation...correct me if I'm mistaken on that.


The rest of this post is for JustErin:

No,(sigh) I'm not missing any point...I was making my point.
I won't take up too much more of your time since I debate these issues no end in other arenas...and in some aspects of my job...no offence but I've pretty much heard all of the arguments, including yours...I'm open to being surprised though.
Don't take so much issue with the word 'power' it's genderless...women have always had a certain kind of power and have demonstrated it in subtle ways as well as more open ways.

No point putting words in my mouth about womens' interest in 'traditional men's jobs' and women 'wanting to be men'... none of which I said or presumed, so you're making the usual assumptions out of your own emotional mind...emotions are good.
Like I said...some women have no interest in them at all...some do... and some are influenced into what they think should be doing only to find themselves 'unhappy' later...end of.

Actually I'll sum up your post above about having 'rights and 'choices' and leave it at that...otherwise wow!...how off topic would it get?

Have you read Esther Vilar's 'The Manipulated Man?...we email each other...this woman really should not be getting death threats from women,like 30 years after writing this book?!...you'd have thought it could have been easily debunked without the aggression from women...unless she's hitting a nerve a little too close to home...and revealing information about how most...yes I said most women are.

I myself, know far too much about women!...that's the God's honest truth...(and in my late 20's!)...in theory and practice which is why I let certain issues alone...and have no problem with the women in my life...womens' choices are womens' choices as well as the consequences...end of.
I'm not jaded by women though...I came out of my Mother's womb smiling!...and have the same approach to life.

I know exactly what I want in a woman yes, but more importantly in life.

When I met Germaine Greer at Warwick University even she confided to me, that she was mistaken in certain aspects of her thesis..and is saddened as to where things have led to...she's now seriously critical of the modern young woman...for some reason...ask her.
Don't know why I mentioned that...you're not even a feminist...but I was just in a flow of things.

It might be interesting to know that these 'good' men we've both spoken about are on a marriage strike...which is slowly growing...I'll leave you to look into that..again only if you're interested.

Women really are more concerned about the opinions of other women anyway, so take it or leave it...you mustn't think I'm here to debate with you or change minds or something.

You posted in a public forum, funkyandy. Anyone can respond to anyone.