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Reply #240 posted 08/22/09 3:37pm

Vendetta1

728huey said:

Zinzi said:

why do you keep bringing my nationality into it?
i dont believe black people or white people should act a certain way just because society tells them too
oh no! the fall of an empire!!!!!


Because you're making a judgment about a culture that you know little to nothing about, let alone the fact that you are not a member of it. You admitted yourself that you are a 19 year old British citizen, so by that standard alone, you have no grounds to judge American culture in general or African American culture in particular. Since you are unaware of the history of African people and their descendants in America, you're probably unaware that white people systematically marginalized, belittled, and humiliated black people in this country through slavery and Jim Crow laws, and that said black people were often characterized as "savages" who had no redeeming value except for their labor. Even after fighting a civil war, going through the civil rights movement to guarantee rights to African Americans that were supposed to have been enforced over 100 years earlier, and electing an African American to the Presidency, we're still dealing with white people (mostly from the southern parts of USA) attempting to belittle the accomplishments of African Americans.
Because you are not from the USA, you don't have that cultural mindset which pervades race relations in this country.

Zinzi said:
culture is a made up thing that you believe black people should live by. nobody is born in a kimono, playing a banjo, or wearing a bone through their nose
history that is not relevant to set person but what the great great grandparents went through should not be spoken of as if it is part of the set persons Self history
and financially is just where you live


Now that's just ignorance on your part. Unless you somehow managed to raise yourself after exiting your mother's womb, every person is a sum of their family and community's heritage. Just because you weren't enslaved by whites or fought against the Scots or Irish doesn't mean that you don't have that cultural history ingrained in you in some fashion. You said that you're only 19; so you probably are too young to remember when your parents had to dodge random terrorist bombimgs by the Irish Republican Army or the history behind the rise of the Irish Republican Army in the first place. Now hopefully, your culture has evolved considerably since then, but don't claim that your parents or grandparents history doesn't affect you you are today. no no no!

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Reply #241 posted 08/22/09 3:49pm

bboy87

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Reply #242 posted 08/22/09 4:03pm

Zinzi

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Zinzi said:





i dont even read magazines and newspapers and i do not inherit the individual history of people from past as my own made story
you cant say about racism in your country untill you live in every state. inevery town. and meetr every person in the counrty so you might aswell dismiss your own
some white people hate you because of the color of your skin because they believe in stupid shit like ''protecting culture'' similar to you
they believe they can judge a person on the colour of their skin because the 'steryotypical culture' condones that they are being fair
if they tell you to go chuck a spear, according to you its not racist, its just being historically accurate seeing as what some black guy was doing in africa by his own choice a thousand years ago somehow inflicts it as your choice because you 'claim his culture'
if im wearing glasses, at least they arent blocked out completely
ass
falloff

Everything you just said about me is EXACTLY what you have been doing. lol

And thanks for admitting to trolling, Makes it easier for mods to ban you. biggrin


so what ive been doing is glorifying racism by seeing culture as a racial lifestyle that blacks must live by? no...no it hasnt been
its been what youve been doing
''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #243 posted 08/22/09 4:11pm

Zinzi

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Vendetta1 said:

Zinzi said:



actually it ended ages ago, whatever trolling i was doing
the last couple of posts have been me defending myself
Just for evidence. lol


not familiar with sarcasm
''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #244 posted 08/22/09 4:13pm

Imago

I think Vendetta1 said it best. Zinzi is ignorant and happy to be. lol
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Reply #245 posted 08/22/09 4:16pm

Zinzi

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728huey said:

Zinzi said:

why do you keep bringing my nationality into it?
i dont believe black people or white people should act a certain way just because society tells them too
oh no! the fall of an empire!!!!!


Because you're making a judgment about a culture that you know little to nothing about, let alone the fact that you are not a member of it. You admitted yourself that you are a 19 year old British citizen, so by that standard alone, you have no grounds to judge American culture in general or African American culture in particular. Since you are unaware of the history of African people and their descendants in America, you're probably unaware that white people systematically marginalized, belittled, and humiliated black people in this country through slavery and Jim Crow laws, and that said black people were often characterized as "savages" who had no redeeming value except for their labor. Even after fighting a civil war, going through the civil rights movement to guarantee rights to African Americans that were supposed to have been enforced over 100 years earlier, and electing an African American to the Presidency, we're still dealing with white people (mostly from the southern parts of USA) attempting to belittle the accomplishments of African Americans.
Because you are not from the USA, you don't have that cultural mindset which pervades race relations in this country.

Zinzi said:
culture is a made up thing that you believe black people should live by. nobody is born in a kimono, playing a banjo, or wearing a bone through their nose
history that is not relevant to set person but what the great great grandparents went through should not be spoken of as if it is part of the set persons Self history
and financially is just where you live


Now that's just ignorance on your part. Unless you somehow managed to raise yourself after exiting your mother's womb, every person is a sum of their family and community's heritage. Just because you weren't enslaved by whites or fought against the Scots or Irish doesn't mean that you don't have that cultural history ingrained in you in some fashion. You said that you're only 19; so you probably are too young to remember when your parents had to dodge random terrorist bombimgs by the Irish Republican Army or the history behind the rise of the Irish Republican Army in the first place. Now hopefully, your culture has evolved considerably since then, but don't claim that your parents or grandparents history doesn't affect you you are today. no no no!

typing


if you knew fuck all about slavery youd know that blacks were selling blacks to white slavedrivers in the start
and why use the term ''white poeple'' like all of them had one?
it wasnt whites it was the goverment
no culture or history can be ingrained on someone seeings as its man made
my mom bringing me up has nothing to do with her inflicting forced cultures onto me
you yourself wear racist badges ''african ammerican''
do you call whites ''english americans''
''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #246 posted 08/22/09 4:18pm

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Imago said:

I think Vendetta1 said it best. Zinzi is ignorant and happy to be. lol


if i was happy to be ''ignorant'' i wouldnt have said i was happy enough to sit back and read why you think these magazines are so important

the only half way decent explanation i got was explaining why it was around in the 60's
because of all the segregation and shit, but now thats not legal anymore their is no need for these magazines so my point was proved very early on
''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #247 posted 08/22/09 4:18pm

bboy87

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Reply #248 posted 08/22/09 4:44pm

Vendetta1

Zinzi said:

Vendetta1 said:

falloff

Everything you just said about me is EXACTLY what you have been doing. lol

And thanks for admitting to trolling, Makes it easier for mods to ban you. biggrin


so what ive been doing is glorifying racism by seeing culture as a racial lifestyle that blacks must live by? no...no it hasnt been
its been what youve been doing
Never once did I ever say that blacks should live any kind of way. In fact, I know several blacks who do everything they can to have nothing to do with black culture. Do you have a beef with Mexican people? Or Irish?

And you are a troll. Stop trying to deflect your bullshit on other people because you got called out.
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Reply #249 posted 08/22/09 4:48pm

Imago

Zinzi said:

Imago said:

I think Vendetta1 said it best. Zinzi is ignorant and happy to be. lol


if i was happy to be ''ignorant'' i wouldnt have said i was happy enough to sit back and read why you think these magazines are so important

the only half way decent explanation i got was explaining why it was around in the 60's
because of all the segregation and shit, but now thats not legal anymore their is no need for these magazines so my point was proved very early on

Yup. You're not getting it nor paying attention to anything posted.

I feel like Barney Frank at that town hall meeting a few days ago.
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Reply #250 posted 08/22/09 5:01pm

SavonOsco

Zinzi said:

Imago said:

I think Vendetta1 said it best. Zinzi is ignorant and happy to be. lol


if i was happy to be ''ignorant'' i wouldnt have said i was happy enough to sit back and read why you think these magazines are so important

the only half way decent explanation i got was explaining why it was around in the 60's
because of all the segregation and shit, but now thats not legal anymore their is no need for these magazines so my point was proved very early on

I'm curious to know how u feel about BET?...Hell.I'm curious to know how u feel about Lifetime,Oxygen and LOGO? Do you feel these stations that are for a target audience shouldn't be around?Having a product ,whatever it is,for a target audience is business 101.I'm going to assume you dont think Latina magazine should be around either
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Reply #251 posted 08/22/09 5:03pm

Vendetta1

SavonOsco said:

Zinzi said:



if i was happy to be ''ignorant'' i wouldnt have said i was happy enough to sit back and read why you think these magazines are so important

the only half way decent explanation i got was explaining why it was around in the 60's
because of all the segregation and shit, but now thats not legal anymore their is no need for these magazines so my point was proved very early on

I'm curious to know how u feel about BET?...Hell.I'm curious to know how u feel about Lifetime,Oxygen and LOGO? Do you feel these stations that are for a target audience shouldn't be around?Having a product ,whatever it is,for a target audience is business 101.I'm going to assume you dont think Latina magazine should be around either
It's only bad if it's targeted to black people. nod
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Reply #252 posted 08/22/09 5:09pm

bboy87

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SavonOsco said:

Zinzi said:



if i was happy to be ''ignorant'' i wouldnt have said i was happy enough to sit back and read why you think these magazines are so important

the only half way decent explanation i got was explaining why it was around in the 60's
because of all the segregation and shit, but now thats not legal anymore their is no need for these magazines so my point was proved very early on

I'm curious to know how u feel about BET?...Hell.I'm curious to know how u feel about Lifetime,Oxygen and LOGO? Do you feel these stations that are for a target audience shouldn't be around?Having a product ,whatever it is,for a target audience is business 101.I'm going to assume you dont think Latina magazine should be around either

BET isn't in the UK lol
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Reply #253 posted 08/22/09 5:16pm

SCNDLS

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Zinzi said:

i dont even read magazines and newspapers and i do not inherit the individual history of people from past as my own made story
you cant say about racism in your country untill you live in every state. inevery town. and meetr every person in the counrty so you might aswell dismiss your own
some white people hate you because of the color of your skin because they believe in stupid shit like ''protecting culture'' similar to you
they believe they can judge a person on the colour of their skin because the 'steryotypical culture' condones that they are being fair
if they tell you to go chuck a spear, according to you its not racist, its just being historically accurate seeing as what some black guy was doing in africa by his own choice a thousand years ago somehow inflicts it as your choice because you 'claim his culture'
if im wearing glasses, at least they arent blocked out completely
ass

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Reply #254 posted 08/22/09 5:17pm

SCNDLS

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Zinzi said:

Cinnie said:

And you're not going to be the one to bring racial harmony by claiming naivety because it just makes you look ignorant.

Exhibit A: This thread.


theres no naivety, if anything me posting what i posted just pulled the blankets off of what other people think ebony jet magazine is about
one contradicting the other, its quite funny actually

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Reply #255 posted 08/22/09 5:20pm

SavonOsco

popcorn
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Reply #256 posted 08/22/09 5:22pm

Vendetta1

SCNDLS said:

Zinzi said:



theres no naivety, if anything me posting what i posted just pulled the blankets off of what other people think ebony jet magazine is about
one contradicting the other, its quite funny actually

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Reply #257 posted 08/22/09 5:22pm

Zinzi

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Vendetta1 said:

Zinzi said:



so what ive been doing is glorifying racism by seeing culture as a racial lifestyle that blacks must live by? no...no it hasnt been
its been what youve been doing
Never once did I ever say that blacks should live any kind of way. In fact, I know several blacks who do everything they can to have nothing to do with black culture. Do you have a beef with Mexican people? Or Irish?

And you are a troll. Stop trying to deflect your bullshit on other people because you got called out.


''culture'' means ''a way of life'' so if yo know blacks who dont conform to such ways of life yet you still call it ''black'' culture does that mean they are any less black?
i dont have 'beef' with anyone other than twats that dont shut up about racial bullshit
''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #258 posted 08/22/09 5:22pm

Zinzi

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Imago said:

Zinzi said:



if i was happy to be ''ignorant'' i wouldnt have said i was happy enough to sit back and read why you think these magazines are so important

the only half way decent explanation i got was explaining why it was around in the 60's
because of all the segregation and shit, but now thats not legal anymore their is no need for these magazines so my point was proved very early on

Yup. You're not getting it nor paying attention to anything posted.

I feel like Barney Frank at that town hall meeting a few days ago.

whys that
''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #259 posted 08/22/09 5:23pm

Zinzi

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SCNDLS said:

Zinzi said:



theres no naivety, if anything me posting what i posted just pulled the blankets off of what other people think ebony jet magazine is about
one contradicting the other, its quite funny actually



wtf
''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #260 posted 08/22/09 5:25pm

SCNDLS

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Zinzi said:

''culture'' means ''a way of life'' so if yo know blacks who dont conform to such ways of life yet you still call it ''black'' culture does that mean they are any less black?
i dont have 'beef' with anyone other than twats that dont shut up about racial bullshit

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Reply #261 posted 08/22/09 5:28pm

Zinzi

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SavonOsco said:

Zinzi said:



if i was happy to be ''ignorant'' i wouldnt have said i was happy enough to sit back and read why you think these magazines are so important

the only half way decent explanation i got was explaining why it was around in the 60's
because of all the segregation and shit, but now thats not legal anymore their is no need for these magazines so my point was proved very early on

I'm curious to know how u feel about BET?...Hell.I'm curious to know how u feel about Lifetime,Oxygen and LOGO? Do you feel these stations that are for a target audience shouldn't be around?Having a product ,whatever it is,for a target audience is business 101.I'm going to assume you dont think Latina magazine should be around either


yeah i dont like BET either ''black entertainment television'' why should blacks be entertained by anything differently than whites?
you cant target a whole race as an audience being black isnt a state of mind
''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #262 posted 08/22/09 5:28pm

SCNDLS

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Zinzi said:


if you knew fuck all about slavery youd know that blacks were selling blacks to white slavedrivers in the start
and why use the term ''white poeple'' like all of them had one?
it wasnt whites it was the goverment
no culture or history can be ingrained on someone seeings as its man made
my mom bringing me up has nothing to do with her inflicting forced cultures onto me
you yourself wear racist badges ''african ammerican''
do you call whites ''english americans''

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Reply #263 posted 08/22/09 5:29pm

SCNDLS

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Zinzi said:

SavonOsco said:


I'm curious to know how u feel about BET?...Hell.I'm curious to know how u feel about Lifetime,Oxygen and LOGO? Do you feel these stations that are for a target audience shouldn't be around?Having a product ,whatever it is,for a target audience is business 101.I'm going to assume you dont think Latina magazine should be around either


yeah i dont like BET either ''black entertainment television'' why should blacks be entertained by anything differently than whites?
you cant target a whole race as an audience being black isnt a state of mind

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Reply #264 posted 08/22/09 5:30pm

Zinzi

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SCNDLS said:

Zinzi said:



yeah i dont like BET either ''black entertainment television'' why should blacks be entertained by anything differently than whites?
you cant target a whole race as an audience being black isnt a state of mind




no constructive critisism but mj picture after another
nuff said
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Reply #265 posted 08/22/09 5:32pm

SCNDLS

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Zinzi said:

SCNDLS said:





no constructive critisism but mj picture after another
nuff said

Okay, how's this for constructive? Here's Drake imitating how well your argument went over on this thread. hah! troll

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Reply #266 posted 08/22/09 5:37pm

Vendetta1

Zinzi said:

Vendetta1 said:

Never once did I ever say that blacks should live any kind of way. In fact, I know several blacks who do everything they can to have nothing to do with black culture. Do you have a beef with Mexican people? Or Irish?

And you are a troll. Stop trying to deflect your bullshit on other people because you got called out.


''culture'' means ''a way of life'' so if yo know blacks who dont conform to such ways of life yet you still call it ''black'' culture does that mean they are any less black?
i dont have 'beef' with anyone other than twats that dont shut up about racial bullshit
You are going to twist this to make sense to you in your own little fucked up way. You were given an answer to your question. You were given knowledge by people who know a hell of a lot more than you do about this topic but you choose to remain in the dark.

I have no idea why you have no problems with Mexicans or Irish or Polish people here who also have their own magazines and their own television stations. You clearly show a bias.
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Reply #267 posted 08/22/09 5:37pm

bboy87

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Is SCNDLS trying to take my crown?



I thought we were family! mad lol
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #268 posted 08/22/09 5:39pm

SCNDLS

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bboy87 said:

Is SCNDLS trying to take my crown?



I thought we were family! mad lol

It's all love Bboy. hug You know anytime I post those pics/gifs it's an homage to you, Tha Kang of All Gifs worship
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Reply #269 posted 08/22/09 5:44pm

SavonOsco

Zinzi said:

SavonOsco said:


I'm curious to know how u feel about BET?...Hell.I'm curious to know how u feel about Lifetime,Oxygen and LOGO? Do you feel these stations that are for a target audience shouldn't be around?Having a product ,whatever it is,for a target audience is business 101.I'm going to assume you dont think Latina magazine should be around either


yeah i dont like BET either ''black entertainment television'' why should blacks be entertained by anything differently than whites?
you cant target a whole race as an audience being black isnt a state of mind

So Latina magazine is a no-no for you also?... popcorn..And Lifetime and Logo, thats a wrap for you also?..does your theory go for gender also? popcorn
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