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PrintableNMuzakNSoul said: SCNDLS said:  Uh, yeah . . . Gayle.  And Mssy Elliot.  . . . and Maya Angelou when they was speaking. | |
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NMuzakNSoul said: SCNDLS said: Uh, yeah . . . Gayle. And Mssy Elliot. Missy and Queen Latifah got a lot in common. | |
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Missy , Queen and Maya. I think these women are just uninterested in men but not gay. | |
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SCNDLS said: NMuzakNSoul said: And Mssy Elliot. . . . and Maya Angelou when they was speaking. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Missy , Queen and Maya. I think these women are just uninterested in men but not gay.
I don't mind preference, but there was even a story someone told me themselves that Missy came up to them &she had to say she don't play for that team | |
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SCNDLS said: NMuzakNSoul said: And Mssy Elliot. . . . and Maya Angelou when they was speaking.what in the hell | |
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uPtoWnNY said:[quote] reneGade20 said: Sorry...but for my tastes, Oprah ain't got enough billions.....cuz you know once that make-up comes off....and them designer jeans too....DAYUM!!!!
"YOU SHO' IS UGLEE!!!" 
PREACH THAT SHIT!!!!![/quote] Someone used to say that all the time. Ok, moving along , but yes most of those celebrities aren't as glamourous as they seem. | |
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NMuzakNSoul said: DesireeNevermind said: Missy , Queen and Maya. I think these women are just uninterested in men but not gay.
I don't mind preference, but there was even a story someone told me themselves that Missy came up to them &she had to say she don't play for that team Which team she don't play for? | |
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DesireeNevermind said: NMuzakNSoul said: I don't mind preference, but there was even a story someone told me themselves that Missy came up to them &she had to say she don't play for that team Which team she don't play for? Lesbian. | |
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DAMN Them feet gotta HURT
she, who? came up to them who? and said she who? don't play for the team. and step off MAMA MAYA 
If that's true she need to write another book about her life  
We all should know that diversity makes for a rich tapestry, and we must understand that all the threads of the tapestry are equal in value no matter what their color. Maya Angelou | |
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angel345 said:[quote] uPtoWnNY said: reneGade20 said: Sorry...but for my tastes, Oprah ain't got enough billions.....cuz you know once that make-up comes off....and them designer jeans too....DAYUM!!!!
"YOU SHO' IS UGLEE!!!"
PREACH THAT SHIT!!!!![/quote] Someone used to say that all the time. Ok, moving along , but yes most of those celebrities aren't as glamourous as they seem. Case in point  I'm firmly planted in denial |
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"If you date affalete after affalete you aint nuthin' but a gold digga."- Nene Leakes
"I aint sayin' she a gold digga...but she aint messin' wit no broke n^^^a" Kanye  | |
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Nothinbutjoy said: angel345 said: PREACH THAT SHIT!!!!![/quote] Someone used to say that all the time. Ok, moving along , but yes most of those celebrities aren't as glamourous as they seem. Case in point  Who is that?Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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Lammastide said: Nothinbutjoy said: Case in point Who is that?Steven Tyler I graduated bitches!!! 12-19-09   | |
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PurpleRighteous1 said: Lammastide said: Who is that?Steven Tyler OMG! I can see it now.
He looks like Katherine Hepburn. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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DesireeNevermind said: ThreadBare said: Sad, if you were a man. A movie devoid of positive male characters. To this day, some of my female friends don't realize how disinterested I am in it from a sociological point of view. Sure, it's full of great one-liners that have endured over decades, but it clearly isn't a balanced piece of storytelling. Well I don't know what you mean by balanced storytelling. So there has to be a token positive male role model? ... I remember when that movie came out and there were all these black media dudes or whatever talking about how it dissed them. You can only feel dissed, guilty or insulted by those male characters if you've ever behaved the way they behave or if you've seen a brotha behave that way and did nothing to change his attitude.  Balanced storytelling involves providing more than one dimension to characters, giving way to a richer story populated by complex characters, the same way people are in real life. No one is totally evil or totally passive and angelic. We all have our pluses and minuses. I agree there's a great story in The Color People. I just wish Walker and Spielberg had employed richer, more realistic characters in telling it. It's not about tokenism. It's about the mastery of writing. I could recommend some authors talented at writing balanced characters, if you like: Walter Mosely, John Irving, Elinor Lipman are but a few. As for "all these black media dudes" talking about how they felt the movie dissed them. As I recall, the broader context was not just about one-dimensional characters but about the comprehensive lack of positive black male imagery in Hollywood at the time. As for what I do to try to get wrongheaded black males to change their ways, you could say (without getting into details) that I have some credibility, if that's the measure you assign to whether someone can react that way to art... You don't have to have been a misogynist or abuser to object to a creative vehicle that only depicts your kind as such. It's as if saying that only former prostitutes could object to "Klute." | |
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Lammastide said: He looks like Katherine Hepburn.
 "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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PurpleRighteous1 said: Lammastide said: Who is that?Steven Tyler WTf...NO NO NO ,you must be kidding  MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P مايكل جاكسون للأبد 1958 | |
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DanceWme said: Oprah aint gay.
SHe just needs some young meat! She's bout 10 years to late for me. Don't laugh at my funk
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ThreadBare said: DesireeNevermind said: Well I don't know what you mean by balanced storytelling. So there has to be a token positive male role model? ... I remember when that movie came out and there were all these black media dudes or whatever talking about how it dissed them. You can only feel dissed, guilty or insulted by those male characters if you've ever behaved the way they behave or if you've seen a brotha behave that way and did nothing to change his attitude. Balanced storytelling involves providing more than one dimension to characters, giving way to a richer story populated by complex characters, the same way people are in real life. No one is totally evil or totally passive and angelic. We all have our pluses and minuses. I agree there's a great story in The Color People. I just wish Walker and Spielberg had employed richer, more realistic characters in telling it. It's not about tokenism. It's about the mastery of writing. I could recommend some authors talented at writing balanced characters, if you like: Walter Mosely, John Irving, Elinor Lipman are but a few. As for "all these black media dudes" talking about how they felt the movie dissed them. As I recall, the broader context was not just about one-dimensional characters but about the comprehensive lack of positive black male imagery in Hollywood at the time. As for what I do to try to get wrongheaded black males to change their ways, you could say (without getting into details) that I have some credibility, if that's the measure you assign to whether someone can react that way to art... You don't have to have been a misogynist or abuser to object to a creative vehicle that only depicts your kind as such. It's as if saying that only former prostitutes could object to "Klute." Well given that explanation then I say Color Purple was quite balanced. For example; Mister, the villian, was clearly the product of a backwards and abusive upbringing as well as having been an aggravated and ill prepared single father ( his children's mother being murdered by her boyfriend). This is evidenced through his father played by the great actor Adolf Ceasar who doesn't parent him but rather puts him down and intimidates him as well as chastise him for his love of Shug. He cowers in his father's presence. Shug, IMO is the richest character in the film because you see many sides to her that seem to personify many different women. You see the glamorous juke joint singer desired by Mister and Celie, the slovenly drunk who is rescued by Mister, a depressed mother who has lost custody of her children to her husband, and a longing daughter turned away from her overbearing and stubborn minister father because she chooses to sing ungodly music. She also serves as the catapult to bring Celie out of her shell after Nettie is cast away. Celie and Sophia imo serve as polar opposites. Where Celie is weak and dependent on a man for her survival, Sophia is self-reliant and doesn't need a man to help her take care of herself or her baby. Where Celie does whatever her master/husband orders her to do, Sophia demands equality in the house and jokingly tells her husband "is there something wrong with you?" in addition to fighting back when he starts beating her. I also enjoy the supporting casts such as the rapist father, who is the origin of Celie's fear and self pity. Then there is Squeak, who although her role at first appears insignificant, she too is a weak woman dependent on a man and does not see her self worth until the end of the film when she decides to join Shug as a singer. There is Harpo who is just as intimidated by Mister as Mister is intimidated by his own father. I could go on and dissect this film further from the crazy mayor's wife who causes Sophia to be imprisoned to the parallels between the African children getting their tribal markings and Celie contemplating murdering Mister. Even sexual harassment and european settlement is addressed in this film, . I think the problem is too many black men went into the viewing of that film with closed and small minds. A lot of men do this when a film appears to be settled primarily on female characters or contention between the male and female characters which is why we have the term "chick flick", a tad demeaning. Presumptions were made early on and many men, probably felt demeaned and disparaged not because the film set out to belittle one gender over the other but because they were not confronted with the typical superhero, captain save-a-ho character who is running things and has it all under control. Also I think a lot of men were forced to look inward which can often be an ugly place to visit. Like I said before, the abuse portrayed in that film was nothing new and shocking but it was an opportunity to show what a lot of women from a certain era and culture may have had to deal with and what a lot of women deal in present times. If Celie could overcome then so can the woman watching the film. It amazes me that a black man or any man can't handle the images in the Color Purple but they have no problem bobbing their heads to music that calls women bitches and hos and have no problem and watching videos that have women face down and ass up. Anyway...I love this film. I support it. And I will continue to support other films that tell these type stories and help some woman somewhere get up and over. | |
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SCNDLS said: uPtoWnNY said: PREACH THAT SHIT!!!!!  Both of ya'll know you'd suck on these bunions for some billions.
 I just threw up in my mouth!!
you get the  for that one!!!
DAYUM she got some hooked up feets!!!! He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
(George Eliot) the video for the above... 
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AlexdeParis said: Lammastide said: He looks like Katherine Hepburn.
Tell me I'm wrong, though. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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DesireeNevermind said: Well given that explanation then I say Color Purple was quite balanced. For example;
Mister, the villian, was clearly the product of a backwards and abusive upbringing as well as having been an aggravated and ill prepared single father ( his children's mother being murdered by her boyfriend). This is evidenced through his father played by the great actor Adolf Ceasar who doesn't parent him but rather puts him down and intimidates him as well as chastise him for his love of Shug. He cowers in his father's presence. Shug, IMO is the richest character in the film because you see many sides to her that seem to personify many different women. You see the glamorous juke joint singer desired by Mister and Celie, the slovenly drunk who is rescued by Mister, a depressed mother who has lost custody of her children to her husband, and a longing daughter turned away from her overbearing and stubborn minister father because she chooses to sing ungodly music. She also serves as the catapult to bring Celie out of her shell after Nettie is cast away. Celie and Sophia imo serve as polar opposites. Where Celie is weak and dependent on a man for her survival, Sophia is self-reliant and doesn't need a man to help her take care of herself or her baby. Where Celie does whatever her master/husband orders her to do, Sophia demands equality in the house and jokingly tells her husband "is there something wrong with you?" in addition to fighting back when he starts beating her. I also enjoy the supporting casts such as the rapist father, who is the origin of Celie's fear and self pity. Then there is Squeak, who although her role at first appears insignificant, she too is a weak woman dependent on a man and does not see her self worth until the end of the film when she decides to join Shug as a singer. There is Harpo who is just as intimidated by Mister as Mister is intimidated by his own father. I could go on and dissect this film further from the crazy mayor's wife who causes Sophia to be imprisoned to the parallels between the African children getting their tribal markings and Celie contemplating murdering Mister. Even sexual harassment and european settlement is addressed in this film, No need, sister. You actually just proved my point with your summary: The characters are one-dimensional, with the men embodying all that's wrong in society. I think the problem is too many black men went into the viewing of that film with closed and small minds. A lot of men do this when a film appears to be settled primarily on female characters or contention between the male and female characters which is why we have the term "chick flick", a tad demeaning. Presumptions were made early on and many men, probably felt demeaned and disparaged not because the film set out to belittle one gender over the other but because they were not confronted with the typical superhero, captain save-a-ho character who is running things and has it all under control. Also I think a lot of men were forced to look inward which can often be an ugly place to visit. Like I said before, the abuse portrayed in that film was nothing new and shocking but it was an opportunity to show what a lot of women from a certain era and culture may have had to deal with and what a lot of women deal in present times. If Celie could overcome then so can the woman watching the film. It amazes me that a black man or any man can't handle the images in the Color Purple but they have no problem bobbing their heads to music that calls women bitches and hos and have no problem and watching videos that have women face down and ass up.
Anyway...I love this film. I support it. And I will continue to support other films that tell these type stories and help some woman somewhere get up and over. You continue to equate artistic criticism with male inadequacy. That's totally your right. And, I've no fantasy about changing your mind about that. However, it's worth stating for the record that not every man who has an issue with "The Color Purple" listens to the music or is a fan of the videos you describe. In fact, many of the books and films I enjoy are stories told by women about gender equality and the dynamics of healthy relationships. I enjoy challenging works of fiction and have no problem "looking inward" as you describe. A lot of men don't. I just think there's a way for people to tell their stories without waging war against other folks -- and that's not limited to gender politics. We'll simply continue to disagree, I imagine. Peace to ya.  | |
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ThreadBare said: DesireeNevermind said: Well given that explanation then I say Color Purple was quite balanced. For example;
Mister, the villian, was clearly the product of a backwards and abusive upbringing as well as having been an aggravated and ill prepared single father ( his children's mother being murdered by her boyfriend). This is evidenced through his father played by the great actor Adolf Ceasar who doesn't parent him but rather puts him down and intimidates him as well as chastise him for his love of Shug. He cowers in his father's presence. Shug, IMO is the richest character in the film because you see many sides to her that seem to personify many different women. You see the glamorous juke joint singer desired by Mister and Celie, the slovenly drunk who is rescued by Mister, a depressed mother who has lost custody of her children to her husband, and a longing daughter turned away from her overbearing and stubborn minister father because she chooses to sing ungodly music. She also serves as the catapult to bring Celie out of her shell after Nettie is cast away. Celie and Sophia imo serve as polar opposites. Where Celie is weak and dependent on a man for her survival, Sophia is self-reliant and doesn't need a man to help her take care of herself or her baby. Where Celie does whatever her master/husband orders her to do, Sophia demands equality in the house and jokingly tells her husband "is there something wrong with you?" in addition to fighting back when he starts beating her. I also enjoy the supporting casts such as the rapist father, who is the origin of Celie's fear and self pity. Then there is Squeak, who although her role at first appears insignificant, she too is a weak woman dependent on a man and does not see her self worth until the end of the film when she decides to join Shug as a singer. There is Harpo who is just as intimidated by Mister as Mister is intimidated by his own father. I could go on and dissect this film further from the crazy mayor's wife who causes Sophia to be imprisoned to the parallels between the African children getting their tribal markings and Celie contemplating murdering Mister. Even sexual harassment and european settlement is addressed in this film, No need, sister. You actually just proved my point with your summary: The characters are one-dimensional, with the men embodying all that's wrong in society. I think the problem is too many black men went into the viewing of that film with closed and small minds. A lot of men do this when a film appears to be settled primarily on female characters or contention between the male and female characters which is why we have the term "chick flick", a tad demeaning. Presumptions were made early on and many men, probably felt demeaned and disparaged not because the film set out to belittle one gender over the other but because they were not confronted with the typical superhero, captain save-a-ho character who is running things and has it all under control. Also I think a lot of men were forced to look inward which can often be an ugly place to visit. Like I said before, the abuse portrayed in that film was nothing new and shocking but it was an opportunity to show what a lot of women from a certain era and culture may have had to deal with and what a lot of women deal in present times. If Celie could overcome then so can the woman watching the film. It amazes me that a black man or any man can't handle the images in the Color Purple but they have no problem bobbing their heads to music that calls women bitches and hos and have no problem and watching videos that have women face down and ass up.
Anyway...I love this film. I support it. And I will continue to support other films that tell these type stories and help some woman somewhere get up and over. You continue to equate artistic criticism with male inadequacy. That's totally your right. And, I've no fantasy about changing your mind about that. However, it's worth stating for the record that not every man who has an issue with "The Color Purple" listens to the music or is a fan of the videos you describe. In fact, many of the books and films I enjoy are stories told by women about gender equality and the dynamics of healthy relationships. I enjoy challenging works of fiction and have no problem "looking inward" as you describe. A lot of men don't. I just think there's a way for people to tell their stories without waging war against other folks -- and that's not limited to gender politics. We'll simply continue to disagree, I imagine. Peace to ya. Yes we will continue to disagree and thanks for cherry picking out of my post that which you didn't like. It's sad that you think a story about a woman overcoming her abuse by the men in her life is somehow waging war against men in general. Attitudes like that are why it is so hard to tell these types of stories and why so many women (and children) continue to keep secrets for their abusers...blame the victim and absolve the perpetrator. You've taken gender politics with regard to this book to a level I don't ever want to see continue in actual day to day life. ~peace | |
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Lammastide said: AlexdeParis said: Tell me I'm wrong, though. Katherine's been dead, what, 6 years? I don't think that's enough time for her corpse to start looking that bad! "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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DesireeNevermind said: ThreadBare said: You continue to equate artistic criticism with male inadequacy. That's totally your right. And, I've no fantasy about changing your mind about that. However, it's worth stating for the record that not every man who has an issue with "The Color Purple" listens to the music or is a fan of the videos you describe. In fact, many of the books and films I enjoy are stories told by women about gender equality and the dynamics of healthy relationships. I enjoy challenging works of fiction and have no problem "looking inward" as you describe. A lot of men don't. I just think there's a way for people to tell their stories without waging war against other folks -- and that's not limited to gender politics. We'll simply continue to disagree, I imagine. Peace to ya. Yes we will continue to disagree and thanks for cherry picking out of my post that which you didn't like. It's sad that you think a story about a woman overcoming her abuse by the men in her life is somehow waging war against men in general. Attitudes like that are why it is so hard to tell these types of stories and why so many women (and children) continue to keep secrets for their abusers...blame the victim and absolve the perpetrator. You've taken gender politics with regard to this book to a level I don't ever want to see continue in actual day to day life. ~peace You've got a great future in fiction-writing. Read my previous posts again -- I totally support stories about overcoming abuse and hardship. And, I've said I think there's a good story in The Color Purple. I just think the execution of the film is flawed. Where do you see me "blaming the victim and absolving the perpetrator" in my posts? It's not there. I've refrained from posting inferences about your own gender politics. I'll thank you to show me the same courtesy. | |
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ToraTora17 said: markpeg said: I just read that Oprah Winfrey has spilt from her longtime boyfriend Stedman Graham after she left him at home while she went on a cruise with Gayle King. Apparently Oprah has a crush on Jay-Z. Talk amongst yourselves.
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DanceWme said: Oh look, it's Dr. Phil (or Dr. PILL, as I call him).RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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psychodelicide said: DanceWme said: Oh look, it's Dr. Phil (or Dr. PILL, as I call him).Is Dr. Phil trying to masturbate and just can't reach it? | |
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