I am an Eagles fan, and I have decided to reserve judgment on this. For me, it all depends on how he is used. I was never convinced that he was a good quarterback. His passing numbers surely back up my skepticism. On the other hand, I always believed McNabb to be a really good quarterback. I hope that Vick's presence on the team does not adversely affect McNabb's game or his time on the field.

If Reid and his OC can get creative, they will be able to do a lot with the offense this year. Lets also remember that Vick can't play until week 6.

AlexdeParis said:

Yeah that makes a lot of sense doesn't it Alex. You sign a qb to an
extension because you don't want him. Damn i wish an nfl team would
sign me to a lot of money because they don't want me.

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phunkdaddy said:

Yeah, cuz they had so many other options for a QB. They kept him because there's not really anyone better out there right now. That does not mean that they like OR respect him. If they had a really viable option they would replace him in a heartbeat. Enter, Michael Vick. Bringing Vick in is just another example of that lack of respect. They can stake their claim to Vick to see what he can do for cheap.

If Vick gets a chance to play, especially if it's due to McNabb's having a lackluster performance, and Vick shows any glimmer of still having his skills Donovan gonna be ridin' the pine once again instead of getting a chance to play through his difficulties like most other talented QB. He ain't gettin' the benefit of the doubt which he's earned.

SCNDLS said:

If you think Michael Vick is a "really viable option" for McNabb, then it's you who doesn't respect Donovan.

AlexdeParis said:

Where did I say that he is??? Now you're just making shit up.

Here's my unedited post and nowhere do I say that Vick IS a viable option or that he WILL replace McNabb I said "IF" repeatedly.

SCNDLS said:

BOOOOO! The animal killer doesn't deserve to EVER play for the NFL again. He should have been locked up for longer than what he was. Michael Vick SUCKS ASS.

SCNDLS said:

Yeah, I read what you wrote. I'm saying even if Vick comes back with the same skills he had before, he still wouldn't be a viable option over McNabb. Vick was never in McNabb's league and it's silly to think almost 2 years off helped him close the (considerable) gap.

kenlacam said:

Bullshit. He paid his debt to society, and has a right to earn a living. If an NFL team wants to sign him, that's their business. These PETA-types need to get off their moral high horse and STFU. Same with the Philly fans who say they'll burn their jerseys. Please. Winning cures everything.

japanrocks said:

Remember Vick didn't go to prison stricktly for Dog Fighting. It's how he Put the dogs down. The guy knocked dogs teeth out with a hammer, fried dogs, electrocuted dogs. Many view this as Evil...Pure Evil.

realm said:

I agree. Anyone that can look a dog in their eyes and kill them with their bare hands clearly has issues. I just picked up a rescue yesterday that after five months in a foster home STILL flinches at every noise and is scared of human touch. There's no telling how long I'll have to keep him before he's adoptable. I hope there's a special place in hell for those who intentionally harm animals.

SCNDLS said:

Amen. Michael Vick is a disgusting human being.

realm said:

What would you say about countries where dogs are food?

SCNDLS said:

I hope not, because I will kill a spider in a heartbeat with a smile on my face.

In all seriousness, I certainly don't condone the torture of animals. I love eating some of them, though...
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uPtoWnNY said:

I'm 50/50 with you. Certainly, he paid his debt and if any teams wants to sign him thats business. We have Freedom and they can.

What I do not agree with is the nut jobs that will come out and threaten Vicks life, thats wrong. That's no better than what Vick did.

I do also believe the same Freedom that lets Vick now play football again has another side to it that Vick will not like. I believe people are very free to scrutinize Vick. A very public figure that children look up to. I don't feel that bad for the public forum that will give him shit. But it does go to far when they start to threaten will violence - threated his life. Tough to feel bad for a guy that had millions and acted that well - stupidly.

It's not strictly about Dog Fighting but how Vick killed dogs that landed him in prison.

AlexdeParis said:

Well, you need to come to my house cuz I've killed 3 in the last 2 days. I dunno what the fuck is going on over here but they're taking over.

realm said:

...or how about the asswipes who say Vick should be banned for life or should have done more time in prison? I hope they're vegans.

uPtoWnNY said:

I would say they are irrelevant because we are in America and not in those countries.

uPtoWnNY said:

Freedom gives them 'asswipes' that like it gave Vick another chance at playing. I'm sure if he sucks and doesn't play well - Eagle fans will write him off as a looser and the Dog killer thing will stick. If he wins some will forgive him.

Still are you really that forgiving twoards Vick? I don't know. Fucking guy was careless. Knocing a dogs teeth out with a hammer is up there with fucking a baby or being an arsonist.

SCNDLS said:

Me too! I hate those damn things, which is weird since I love Spider-Man. I'm never going to get fantastic powers from a radioactive spider bite if I keep killing them!

AlexdeParis said:

Yeah, that's the ONLY reason you won't get your superpowers.

realm said:

They both suck, but I'm gonna have to disagree with that comparison...

realm said:

Yes, because I don't put animals on the same level as humans. Vick did the crime, did the time, so folks need to back the fuck up. What about Donte Stallworth? He killed a dude(accidentally), but he'll be allowed to play again. Where's the outrage over that?

AlexdeParis said:

Well ok then, FACTS:

As a child, serial killer and rapist Ted Bundy—ultimately convicted of two killings but suspected of murdering more than 40 women—witnessed his father’s violence toward animals, and he himself subsequently tortured animals.

Earl Kenneth Shriner, who raped and stabbed a 7-year-old boy, was known in his neighborhood for hanging cats and torturing dogs.

David Berkowitz (a.k.a. “Son of Sam”), who pleaded guilty to 13 murder and attempted murder charges, shot a neighbor’s Labrador retriever.

Brenda Spencer, who opened fire at a California school, killing two children and injuring nine others, had repeatedly abused cats and dogs, often setting their tails on fire.

Serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer impaled the heads of dogs and cats on sticks.

Killing/Torturing Animals is not Cool.

It must be a male thing. I don't think much of this guy. but at this point The Eagles are desparate. I live in Philly. Just keep an eye on your puppies.

uPtoWnNY said:

What do you mean? Vick is already getting a second chance. He is signed.

Are you upset over people's freedom to voice displeasure over Animal Torture/Killing?

realm said:

I'm not disputing any of that.

But I stand by what I said: they aren't the same to me. If someone held a gun to my head, I'm sure I could be forced to hurt a dog to save my life. Fucking a baby? I couldn't do that under any circumstances.

AlexdeParis said:

No gun to Vicks head.

Torturing/killing animals for pleasure are just not cool. Any weirdo that gets a hardon by knocking out a dogs teeth with a hammer is a smf in my book. Freaking weirdos imo, just like the weirdos that are trying to make animal fighting/killing/torture A-ok. Yeah, just what we need a bunch of kids that get a hardon by knocking a dogs skull in with a hammer (something that Vick did). Let's justify what he did as ok.

realm said:

I never said there was.


Yet hunting (for sport) is huge in this country. I personally don't see the fun in it, but plenty of people do. However, like I said, I have no problem killing certain animals (spiders and insects among others) and even less of a problem eating plenty of dead animals.

And let me reiterate that I'm not condoning what Vick did. I just don't think it's the worst thing ever. Sue me.

AlexdeParis said:

Yes, and hunting animals is legal in the USA. But torturing/killing animals for pleaure is associated with much worse things. One step away from serial killer status if you are electrocuting dogs, knocking dogs teeth out with a hammer..etc. for fun, thats just sick.
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