ehuffnsd said:

Why do they not like women?

heybaby said:

why you up so late or up so early?

heybaby said:

they see no need for them.

ZombieKitten said:

I was up so early because I had some errands to run.

ehuffnsd said:

I could never understand why one group of people (any group) whom are discriminated against prejudge others who are discriminated against in one way or another. I find it very hypocritical and asinine.

heybaby said:

i agree

ehuffnsd said:

I find misogyny mostly in some older men (50s and up), some women (self-hate issue) and some gay dudes (jealousy). Misogyny seems to have evolved from thinking women were less smart and somehow frail to thinking women are evil or something to be mocked and made fun of.

Take the political arena for example. Palin and Clinton got pretty dogged and not in the way their male counterparts did. There is still an under-representation of women in politics overall. Look at health care, many women are still not given the same level of medical treatment and attention that men are. Why are there so many health ads and meds geared toward men but not women? Women suffer many of the same ailments like heart disease, cancer, lung diseases and sexual dysfunctions. Then of course there the violence against women issue. Women are targeted for no other reason than that they are women. That hasn't decreased at all. I don't think that we have yet reached a global frame of mind that sees the value in women. With that said, if you are female and you haven't yet experienced misogyny, just wait...it's coming.

DesireeNevermind said:

Agreed.

ehuffnsd said:

And as a matter of fact the man who seemed to have it in for me and ended up fired was gay. All he did was walk around and talk about women being nasty and having yeast infections The only woman I heard him talk about in a positive light was his mother. I never thought about it. I just assumed he was an unhappy person who needed to take it out on somebody. I mainly felt bad for him instead of disliking him.

heybaby said:

I had a guy like that in my writing class a few years back and he used to say the same type shit. Talking about vaginas being ugly and having yeast infections. I told him "you came out of a vagina and every dude you ever fantasized about came out of a vagina so vaginas must be doing right by your fucking ass." He never said shit about women again, at least not in my presence.

DesireeNevermind said:

i call myself the gay chosen one...

i was born c-section, refused to breast feed and never had sex with a woman.

I cook maybe once or twice a week and I haven't washed my clothes or ironed in maybe 5 years. My wife does those things, as is expected of her. It felt weird at first but I've gotten used to it. I think if we moved out into a nicer place with a nicer kitchen I'd probably do a lot more cooking and might do washing and ironing (though I doubt it). I know I'm not talking hate here, but this is just the Thai way, i.e. very traditional.

ehuffnsd said:

It don't get any gayer than that. that's too bad about no mother's milk though. Doctor's say babies not breast fed are more prone to childhood illnesses.

Fauxie said:

See if she doesn't mind doing it and you are not ordering her to do it and there are no negative repercussions if she ups and decides to quit then I see no problem at all.

DesireeNevermind said:

She doesn't mind doing it. She sees it as something she needs to be good at in order to be a good wife. If she didn't do those things for me her mother would get on her back. It's just ingrained in her. While her father was out with his mistresses he never thought about leaving his main wife precisely because she was the one who was so good at cooking and cleaning. She would ultimately be the keeper when he could no longer run around after other women.

Fauxie said:

awesome

ZombieKitten said:

Yeah. The younger generation of Thais isn't quite so accepting of that whole mistresses thing though. The men just have a 'gik' instead (fuck buddy), but they no longer buy them cars or houses right next door to the home with the first wife. Well, some still might.

I think if we move out of this house and get a nice place to live I'd do more cooking for one thing. It'd be good for us to have that separation and for Mon to be away from some of the old-fashioned expectations and pressures. She's cool with it, but I am a little uncomfortable with it sometimes. It makes me dependent and complacent. We have responsibilities here though.

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ZombieKitten said:

XxAxX said:

They're still together though, where so many marriages end up in divorce. It's alien to me, the whole way it was accepted for the guy to have mistresses, but they stayed together through everything.

sometimes I don't like women either.
bunch of catty bitches....

PREDOMINANT said:

You didn't answer the question.

Would you say racist shit deliberately to a person of colour just to get a rise out of them?

novabrkr said:

I'd like to know what the fuck makes you call that question "nonsense"?

Would you consider it appropriate to, just for shits 'n' giggles, make racist cracks at a black person?

ehuffnsd said:

Sad to say, but the most horrible misogynistic crap I've ever heard has come from the mouths of gay men.

I see some stuff with my girlfriend. Mostly stuff like, she pays for something and the clerk thanks me, or we talk to a mechanic about her car, and they talk to me.

Or sometimes it comes from women, who are not nice to her but are nice to me. Sort of how I only see men as a competition.

NDRU said:

I hate to have to do it, but if I'm at, say, the hardware store with a male friend I'll abandon him before I talk to an employee about whatever it was I needed because I know that way I'll actually be spoken to. Of course, not having a guy with me also leaves me subject to condescending tones and careful over-explanations.

Guss I can't win.

meow85 said:

It can be unnerving when a guy talks to me expecting that I understand how a car works, though.

NDRU said:

Gender roles and sexism screw everybody when you get down to it, we're just screwed in different ways.

The roommates were shocked SHOCKED when I asked how to use a flat iron.

NDRU said:

We get that. My wife takes care of all the money we spend on food and drink so she nearly always pays at restaurants. Often they'll take the money from her and then bring the change back to me.

Fauxie said:

On another note, for about a week after my foot surgery a few years ago I was wheelchair bound. That was a trip. I don't know if I've ever had so many people pointedly NOT look at me, or address whoever's with me instead, or talk like I'm not there....