ZombieKitten said: Fauxie said: It's frightening. Does such a person then not know it's wrong? I mean, take an alcoholic. It might feel good or right or numb the pain or whatever but society's telling them it's wrong. Physically their body tells them it's wrong. I don't think anybody's going around with a drinking problem not knowing it's a bad way to live. I've no doubt at least some paedophiles feel guilt or know that society overwhelmingly says what they're doing is wrong, but there are no physical finger-wags there to tell them to stop. It feels good to them. Does that interfere with their idea of right and wrong? Are guilt or shame and the laws of the courts and society in general not enough to make them try to do the things Ivy suggested, like volunteer to be castrated? if guilt and shame and the threat of punishment were enough, there would be NO CRIME guilt and shame and the threat of punishment is probably a strong enough deterrent to getting help. I am sure there are pedophiles too that DON'T CARE about right or wrong, only their own needs and who will stop at nothing to feel good. However that very fact or NOT HAVING no morals, isn't that an abnormality? like a sociopath? That's what I would imagine. Inability to empathise, confusion at discordantly having a lack of feeling compared to others etc. | |
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ZombieKitten said: Fauxie said: It's frightening. Does such a person then not know it's wrong? I mean, take an alcoholic. It might feel good or right or numb the pain or whatever but society's telling them it's wrong. Physically their body tells them it's wrong. I don't think anybody's going around with a drinking problem not knowing it's a bad way to live. I've no doubt at least some paedophiles feel guilt or know that society overwhelmingly says what they're doing is wrong, but there are no physical finger-wags there to tell them to stop. It feels good to them. Does that interfere with their idea of right and wrong? Are guilt or shame and the laws of the courts and society in general not enough to make them try to do the things Ivy suggested, like volunteer to be castrated? if guilt and shame and the threat of punishment were enough, there would be NO CRIME guilt and shame and the threat of punishment is probably a strong enough deterrent to getting help. I am sure there are pedophiles too that DON'T CARE about right or wrong, only their own needs and who will stop at nothing to feel good. However that very fact or NOT HAVING no morals, isn't that an abnormality? like a sociopath? | |
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Fauxie said: ZombieKitten said: if guilt and shame and the threat of punishment were enough, there would be NO CRIME guilt and shame and the threat of punishment is probably a strong enough deterrent to getting help. I am sure there are pedophiles too that DON'T CARE about right or wrong, only their own needs and who will stop at nothing to feel good. However that very fact or NOT HAVING no morals, isn't that an abnormality? like a sociopath? That's what I would imagine. Inability to empathise, confusion at discordantly having a lack of feeling compared to others etc. a feeling of superiority, of smugness at getting away with it, no empathy with their victim? that IS definitely a mental disorder, and as far as I know, they don't feel they need help at all, since they aren't bogged down by feelings like everyone else. Anyway, they aren't all like that at all - I doubt every pedophile fits the same profile. | |
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Vendetta1 said: ZombieKitten said: if guilt and shame and the threat of punishment were enough, there would be NO CRIME guilt and shame and the threat of punishment is probably a strong enough deterrent to getting help. I am sure there are pedophiles too that DON'T CARE about right or wrong, only their own needs and who will stop at nothing to feel good. However that very fact or NOT HAVING no morals, isn't that an abnormality? like a sociopath? do you know his story? I guess you wouldn't want to know, or even care, after what you have been through | |
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"Pedophiles Can Be Anyone: Pedophiles can be anyone -- old or young, rich or poor, educated or uneducated, non-professional or professional, and of any race. However, pedophiles often demonstrate similar characteristics, but these are merely indicators and it should not be assumed that individuals with these characteristics are pedophiles. But knowledge of these characteristics coupled with questionable behavior can be used as an alert that someone may be a pedophile. Characteristics of a Pedophile : Often the pedophile is male and over 30 years of age. Single or with few friends in his age group. If married, the relationship is more "companion" based with no sexual relations. He is often vague about time gaps in employment which may indicate a loss in employment for questionable reasons or possible past incarceration. Pedophiles Like Child-like Activities: He is often fascinated with children and child activities appearing to prefer those activities to adult oriented activities. He will often refer to children in pure or angelic terms using descriptives like innocent, heavenly, divine, pure, and other words that describe children but seem inappropriate and exaggerated. He has hobbies that are child-like such as collecting popular expensive toys, keeping reptiles or exotic pets, or building plane and car models. Pedophiles Often Prefer Children Close to Puberty: Pedophiles often have a specific age of child they target. Some prefer younger children, some older. Often his environment or a special room will be decorated in child-like decor and will appeal to the age and sex of the child he is trying to entice. Many pedophiles often prefer children close to puberty who are sexually inexperienced, but curious about sex. Pedophiles Work Around Children: The pedophile will often be employed in a position that involves daily contact with children. If not employed, he will put himself in a position to do volunteer work with children, often in a supervisory capacity such as sports coaching, contact sport instruction, unsupervised tutoring or a position where he has the opportunity to spend unsupervised time with a child. The Target Child: The pedophile often seeks out shy, handicapped, and withdrawn children, or those who come from troubled homes or under privileged homes. He then showers them with attention, gifts, taunting them with trips to desirable places like amusement parks, zoo's, concerts, the beach and other such places. Manipulation of the Innocent: Pedophiles work to master their manipulative skills and often unleash them on troubled children by first becoming their friend, building the the child's self esteem. They may refer to the child as special or mature, appealing to their need to be heard and understood then entice them with adult type activities that are often sexual in content such as x-rated movies or pictures. They offer them alcohol or drugs to hamper their ability to resist activities or recall events that occurred. Stockholm Syndrome : It is not unusual for the child to develop feelings for the predator and desire their approval and continued acceptance. They will compromise their innate ability to decipher good and bad behavior, ultimately justifying the criminal's bad behavior out of sympathy and concern for the adults welfare. This is often compared to Stockholm Syndrome - when victims become attached emotionally to their captors. The Single Parent: Many times pedophiles will develop a close relationship with a single parent in order to get close to their children. Once inside the home, they have many opportunities to manipulate the children -- using guilt, fear, and love to confuse the child. If the child's parent works, it offers the pedophile the private time needed to abuse the child. Fighting Back: Pedophiles work hard at stalking their targets and will patiently work to develop relationships with them. It is not uncommon for them to be developing a long list of potential victims at any one time. Many of them believe that what they are doing is not wrong and that having sex with a child is actually "healthy" for the child. Almost all pedophiles have a collection of pronography, which they protect at all costs. Many of them also collect "souvenirs" from their victims. They rarely discard either their porn or collections for any reason. One factor that works against the pedophile is that eventually the children will grow up and recall the events that occurred. Often pedophiles are not brought to justice until such time occurs and victims are angered by being victimized and want to protect other children from the same consequences. Laws such as Megan's Law - a federal law passed in 1996 that authorizes local law enforcement agencies to notify the public about convicted sex offenders living, working or visiting their communities, have helped expose the pedophile and allows parents to better protect their children." http://crime.about.com/od...ophile.htm I think THIS piece of information here should be read by everyone with kids. and the part I italicised and bolded, is a clue, this is a person operating on a whole other belief system to normal. | |
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A pedophile will not stop on his own, and will not turn himself in, because he does not take responsibility for his behavior and denies that he's doing anything harmful. He will abuse until he's caught.
Some pedophiles recognize that their behavior is criminal, immoral, and unacceptable by society, and operate in secrecy. Some are quite open and militant about their practices and advocate the normalization of pedophilia under the guise of freedom of speech and press, and uses innocuous language like "intergenerational intimacy." http://www.mental-health-...cle&id=519 | |
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Fucking bastards. ugh, just kill them all and lets be done with it. this country is too lax when it comes to these pervs.
edit all countries are too lax when it comes to these pervs!! [Edited 8/5/09 20:08pm] | |
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There is a difference between child pedophiles and child molesters. According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, pedophilia is a psychological disorder. It surrounds recurrent, intense sexual urges and fantasies which last for at least six months and focus on pre-pubescent children.
This typically refers to children who are under the age of 12 years old. Pedophilia doesn't always mean that the person commits a sex act upon a child. In fact, a child pedophile usually keeps his fantasies a secret. A pedophile will, however, attempt to remain close to a child or children to feed his fantasies. Those who do act upon their fantasies typically do so with two or more children. Pedophilia typically involves males and is considered rare in females. http://childprotection.li...tatistics/ * Four percent of today's population suffers from a sexual orientation focused on children | |
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ZombieKitten said: Vendetta1 said: My uncle is a pedophile. He is now in jail on an unrelated charge but was only sentenced to one year for what he did to US. Every time I bring up the subject with another female family member, I find a new victim of his. so far, I have counted 11 family members. He has destroyed many lives. I do not understand the sympathy for pedophiles in any way, mental illness or not.
do you know his story? I guess you wouldn't want to know, or even care, after what you have been through | |
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Vendetta1 said: ZombieKitten said: do you know his story? I guess you wouldn't want to know, or even care, after what you have been through | |
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Fauxie said: Vendetta1 said: My oldest sister wants to know his story, too. She's a saint like that though. I had forgiven him for what he did to me. like Nick mentioned, we treated him as "normal". He was the uncle that gave me my love of music. When I found out he had molested someone outside of our family along with discovering the other victims in our family, I lost all feeling for him. When he gets out, I will not speak to him or have anything else to do with him period. All things considered, I ended up an awesome person. He did not destroy me.
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so how bout those dodgers | |
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bullet to back of head. family pays for cost of bullet. done ... aka crazyhorse | |
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Vendetta1 said: Fauxie said: Hey these fuckers really affect a lot of people, ruining lives. A bullet to the head sounds good to me at least they won't mess any one else up again. 1 U.S. Dollar = 34 Bahts
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wHiTEgIRlCrAzY said: bullet to back of head. family pays for cost of bullet. done ...
Nice one I couldn't agree with you more 1 U.S. Dollar = 34 Bahts
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Vendetta1 said: Fauxie said: you are too special I will love you forever and you will never be forgotten - L.A.F. | |
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REDFEATHERS said: Vendetta1 said: you are too special | |
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hey hey hey [Edited 8/6/09 12:44pm] That's some good shit! | |
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TheBahtMaster said: Pedophiles.What should we do with these fuckers?
I think they should be shipped out to a remote island and abandoned together Whats the age range that you consider the zone of pedophilia? I know it varies through region and history... so I'm wondering what the org definition is. My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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ufoclub said: TheBahtMaster said: Pedophiles.What should we do with these fuckers?
I think they should be shipped out to a remote island and abandoned together Whats the age range that you consider the zone of pedophilia? I know it varies through region and history... so I'm wondering what the org definition is. I'd say under the age of 12 "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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ufoclub said: TheBahtMaster said: Pedophiles.What should we do with these fuckers?
I think they should be shipped out to a remote island and abandoned together Whats the age range that you consider the zone of pedophilia? I know it varies through region and history... so I'm wondering what the org definition is. Anytime the victim is a child you are entering the zone of pedophilia. Most people would consider a minor a child ( I do) and therefore a grown ass person tryna fuck a minor is within the zone of pedophilia. Now you can break it down further. A minor (let's say 15) tryna fuck a 6 year old is STILL pedophilia IMO even though the 15 year old is also a kid. As you may find through various studies/articles some pedophile start their vile behavior while they are still youths themselves. I would say that if you are a person of or past the age of emancipation and you have a fixation on fucking teens, tweens or tots then you are a pedophile. If you're under the age of emancipation (still a kid) and you have a fixation on fucking kids younger than you then I'd probably still classify you as a pedophile because again it depends on your victim's age/who you are targeting. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: ufoclub said: Whats the age range that you consider the zone of pedophilia? I know it varies through region and history... so I'm wondering what the org definition is. Anytime the victim is a child you are entering the zone of pedophilia. Most people would consider a minor a child ( I do) and therefore a grown ass person tryna fuck a minor is within the zone of pedophilia. Now you can break it down further. A minor (let's say 15) tryna fuck a 6 year old is STILL pedophilia IMO even though the 15 year old is also a kid. As you may find through various studies/articles some pedophile start their vile behavior while they are still youths themselves. I would say that if you are a person of or past the age of emancipation and you have a fixation on fucking teens, tweens or tots then you are a pedophile. If you're under the age of emancipation (still a kid) and you have a fixation on fucking kids younger than you then I'd probably still classify you as a pedophile because again it depends on your victim's age/who you are targeting. So there's age classifications on minors and also "emancipation"? I looked up the age of consent and this is what I got: "the ages of consent in North America for sexual activity vary by jurisdiction. The age of consent in Canada is 16 and all US states set their limits between 16 and 18. The ages of consent in the countries of Central America range from 15 to 18. The age of consent in Mexico is complex. Typically, Mexican states have a "primary" age of consent (which may be as low as 12)" My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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^ Yep therein lies the confusion. Try telling a parent of a 15/16 year old whose been raped by some 40 year old perv with a history of raping 15/16 year olds that pedophilia doesn't apply. Who came up with these age ranges for consent and why/based on what? Where does statutory rape fit in? Do we consider teens to be adults and not able to be victims of pedophilia? | |
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Shorty said: PurpleJedi said: This is a gravely complicated matter.
We're not going to be castrating pedophiles anytime soon, so an alternate manner of dealing with them is needed. Like a crack addict, you can't CURE or FORCE the habit out of someone. IMO, it's an illness and should be treated severely so. Once they're "infected" they need to be "quarantined". Currently they get put in jail, they "pay their dues", and get sent back out into society. So now what? They need to find a place to live and a job to sustain themselves. Where are they going to live? As an ex-con, their choices are limited, and inevitable low-income neighborhoods get flooded with them. My town is low-income, and there are dozens of sex offenders living within a mile radius of my home. In fact, we had a pedophile living 2 blocks away recently. Some people decry "Magen's Law" as being vindictive...but without it, my son's best friend would not have known that this creep was living RIGHT NEXT DOOR!!! However, the creep is gone, after being arrested about a year ago after stalking an 11-year old boy in a neighboring town. So what do we do? IMO we should set up places for them to live AWAY from the general populace. Kinda like a housing complex where their movements could be monitored & tracked (going in and out). Sounds horrible, but good medicine is never pleasant. If they do it again, then life in prison no parole. Period. Sure sounds all lollipops but who pays for that? Us? GREAT! Ugh! I can picture it now...all nice and shit! ok so then you molest a child and we send you away for free paid living in your very own town. how bout that translates into life in prison. NO chance for parole. I think that you misunderstood my suggestion. First, I was dealing with the fact that they need somewhere to live AFTER their jail term. If you are in favor of making pedophilia punishable by mandatory life sentence with no parole, then that's another topic (and unlikely to realistically occur). But like I said, when they are released from prison, they need a place to live. And when I mention a "place" for them to live, I mean some sort of housing complex or something where they can go home to at the end of the day that's isolated from the general public, and far FAR away from schools, parks, playgrounds, etc. This needn't be pretty, and it needn't be publicly funded. They pay rent now, don't they? By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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Shorty said: ufoclub said: Whats the age range that you consider the zone of pedophilia? I know it varies through region and history... so I'm wondering what the org definition is. I'd say under the age of 12 That is too low. I will love you forever and you will never be forgotten - L.A.F. | |
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PurpleJedi said: Shorty said: Sure sounds all lollipops but who pays for that? Us? GREAT! Ugh! I can picture it now...all nice and shit! ok so then you molest a child and we send you away for free paid living in your very own town. how bout that translates into life in prison. NO chance for parole. I think that you misunderstood my suggestion. First, I was dealing with the fact that they need somewhere to live AFTER their jail term. If you are in favor of making pedophilia punishable by mandatory life sentence with no parole, then that's another topic (and unlikely to realistically occur). But like I said, when they are released from prison, they need a place to live. And when I mention a "place" for them to live, I mean some sort of housing complex or something where they can go home to at the end of the day that's isolated from the general public, and far FAR away from schools, parks, playgrounds, etc. This needn't be pretty, and it needn't be publicly funded. They pay rent now, don't they? I say it's about as unlikely as your housing complex. how is it going to be built? who's gonna pay for it to be built? I'm trying to look at it realisticly...IF there were to be some complex built for them to live at...far far away from everything, they are going to expect a store, a park, and who knows what else they are going to need to maintian some "quality of life" level. I do not think we should provide them with ANYTHING. If it's difficult for them to live because of what THEY did....well too fuckin' bad. Sure if some rich developer wanted to build this place, that would be great...but I don't see it happening that way. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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REDFEATHERS said: Shorty said: I'd say under the age of 12 That is too low. yeah...it does seem low. The way it works here in the states has to do with how many years between the victim and the attacker too. I think it's like 3 years, but that's when the victim is over the age of 12 (anything younger than 12, there is just no limits...it's child rape, period) So say like a 16 and 13 year old are screwing around...it will be a crime and that 16 year old will be labled as a sex offender for life and have to be registered for life also BUT they will not be punished as much as say a 18 year old and a 13 year old. There may even be other age distance brackets...I'm not sure. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: PurpleJedi said: I think that you misunderstood my suggestion. First, I was dealing with the fact that they need somewhere to live AFTER their jail term. If you are in favor of making pedophilia punishable by mandatory life sentence with no parole, then that's another topic (and unlikely to realistically occur). But like I said, when they are released from prison, they need a place to live. And when I mention a "place" for them to live, I mean some sort of housing complex or something where they can go home to at the end of the day that's isolated from the general public, and far FAR away from schools, parks, playgrounds, etc. This needn't be pretty, and it needn't be publicly funded. They pay rent now, don't they? I say it's about as unlikely as your housing complex. how is it going to be built? who's gonna pay for it to be built? I'm trying to look at it realisticly...IF there were to be some complex built for them to live at...far far away from everything, they are going to expect a store, a park, and who knows what else they are going to need to maintian some "quality of life" level. I do not think we should provide them with ANYTHING. If it's difficult for them to live because of what THEY did....well too fuckin' bad. Sure if some rich developer wanted to build this place, that would be great...but I don't see it happening that way. 1 U.S. Dollar = 34 Bahts
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TheBahtMaster said: Shorty said: I say it's about as unlikely as your housing complex. how is it going to be built? who's gonna pay for it to be built? I'm trying to look at it realisticly...IF there were to be some complex built for them to live at...far far away from everything, they are going to expect a store, a park, and who knows what else they are going to need to maintian some "quality of life" level. I do not think we should provide them with ANYTHING. If it's difficult for them to live because of what THEY did....well too fuckin' bad. Sure if some rich developer wanted to build this place, that would be great...but I don't see it happening that way. Dump them on that forgotten island and let them fuck themselves and rely on their own resources 1 U.S. Dollar = 34 Bahts
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