JustErin said:

Erin...you have a son....would you REALLY have so much understanding if (god forbid) some sicko messed with him? me personally....I would freak the FUCK OUT and prolly kill the MFer myself.
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Shorty said:

Wait a second here. Why do you assume that I am understanding simply because I do not believe that some people are just simply born evil? That really doesn't make sense at all.

As for Maya Angelou, sure, people go through traumatic experiences in their lives and may go down different paths as a result, but that doesn't mean that the person who struggled but eventually succeeded in life was born good and the person that victimized others as a result was born evil. Every situation is different because not every single aspect of their lives was exactly the same while growing up.

But maybe all this 'evil' stuff has to do with religion, which I totally do not get at all.

And finally, the statement that men are more likely to abuse than women so therefore it's not the result of a sick society – otherwise woman would abuse just as much, well....I say, yes, the fact that it tends to be men that victimize is a direct response to the way we are as a society.

JustErin said:

I did not base my assumption on just your mere feeling that people are not born that way...it was other things you said such as
"It's so easy to just label these people as fucked up from birth, that this is just the way they are - oh well. This way we do not have to explore why people turn out like this (and yes, they do turn out like this) and maybe, just maybe realize that we as a society had a hand in it somehow."

I don't think it has to do with religion....call it evil, call it not right, bad wiring, whatever...it's down right WRONG.

I didn't make a statement...I asked a question...but in response to that I still ask why aren't there more women abusers? (since we've been abused probably THE most in history)

Shorty said:

Exactly! Society as a whole is not the cause of all ills or even all attributes and successes. There are people in this world who will first do evil and disgusting things no matter what circumstances have occurred in their lives just as there are people who will first do what is right and just.


I think that with pedophilia, these individuals have sexual yearnings for children that will never go away. I honestly believe that this is how their brains are wired and they desire children like some people desire food. Because of this disturbed appetite, they must be eradicated from society.

http://nymag.com/news/features/17064/ older women n young boys again ..

fingertips said:

STILL WRONG IMO. But let's be honest, while these are dirty horny ass women, I would classify them as sex offenders and not pedophiles because they are actually seducing teenaged boys and not abducting, raping and murdering them. Plus they aren't going after prepubescent boys. And yes, they should be locked up still. I've no sympathy for a sex perv just because they are female.

uPtoWnNY said:

I think the way we'd kill them would be too humane. Let the prison crew do it. Beat the shit out of them with a dumb bell or break a broom-stick off in their rectum or something. You know, let 'em feel a whole lot of pain before they bow out.

fingertips said:

I didn't say it never happens.

feelin gross with this topic .. gonna move on ...

pedophiles arent born pedophiles.peoples personalities , traits - things that they do through the course of their life are moulded by the people that they have around them (or have had around them) , the events that they have been around or things that they have had to them.
they do not have to have had any abuse in their life to end up a pedophile - but an event , a person or some sort of behavior that they have been around will lead to a 'distubance' in them.

this by no means should be condoned.but they need help.otherwise whats the point - they will finish their time locked up and then what ?
commit the same crime ?.and we don't want that.

so basically - i dont think that pedophiles are born like that - i dont think its possible .
(i am not a religous person - so logic and info from other family members who are in certain professions are the way i am getting my point across)

argue if you wish

TheBahtMaster said:

Fly them to the Pedophilea Islands and leave them there stranded with dildos made out of knives and broken glass.

to each his/her own.


you either like doing that shit or you don't. pedophiles enjoy what they do just like some whorey dude would get off on having a stable of women, pedophiles get off on fucking kids. they know they are wrong and evil which is why they either manipulate, threaten, or kill their victims. Fuck helping them. I'd like to help their asses into a vat of sulfuric acid! No religion here. shiit some religions tell us to forgive these mofos. Dump them in the ocean with their feet stuck in a cement block. Sayonara fuckers....fish food! That way they remain part of the food chain

Kill them.

Shorty said:


I think there are tons of women abusers, they are just not reported on. Almost all the men I know have been sexually assaulted by older girls in some way.

look at how those teachers manipulate those young tween students. For example.
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PurpleJedi said:

Great post.

isn't it classed as a mental disorder? like a compulsion? or an addiction?

Don't you think a pedophile if they could choose, would choose not to be one? Since life is fraught with guilt, self-loathing, fear and the compulsion that drives them to plan ahead (career choices, "grooming children" etc) to get them closer to the very thing they desire most? Or does the act of premeditation automatically make them "evil"?

Is pedophilia fetishising at it's worst? Is fetishising "normal" as long as it doesn't harm another?

Just some questions, I wish I could understand better.

ZombieKitten said:

This is precisely while I feel uneasy reading people telling of all the violent things they'd do to paedophiles.

Well given the broad spectrum of mental disorders, everybody has some form of disorder. With that said, just because you may be mentally ill does not afford you any fair treatment or absolution from getting your ass strung up by your ball sack and burned for raping and murdering a child. Straight beat up and incarcerated for the rape alone. People need to stop feeling sorry for these fuckers cuz they would probably jump over you or kill your ass to get to your child. Not addressing anybody in particular...jus sayin'

Fauxie said:

Then why don't pedophiles go seek help? if it is a mental illness, and I don't believe it is, why do they get arrested and sent to prison instead of being found not guilty be reason of mental defect?

I have zero qualms about these motherfuckers being put to death. a child's life can be ruined forever when being sexually assaulted at five. You don't get to have that special first night with the right one and you get to have fucked up feelings about sex forever.

I applaud Erin because I know she's been through the same thing I have but I do not feel the least bit bad about wishing death on them. if anyone EVER touches my daughter, I will kill them and I mean this with everything in me.

Vendetta1 said:

because of the shame in admitting it? because they are afraid of being locked up? hell what do I know, maybe a lot of them DO seek help. Possibly there are some living out there who manage NOT to offend EVER.
all I have is questions
as long as we don't know where they are coming from, the only choice we have in dealing with them is through the criminal justice system, and that really is only effective AFTER the fact, AFTER a child has been violated.

I saw this special once. Either 60 minutes or Dateline i can't recall but they had this perv up there talking about his inclinations like it was normal. They went with him to a playground, i guess to get inside his head. Lord if that vile piece of shit didn't look at a little girl doing cartwheels and claim that she was motioning to him she wanted sex. WTF!!!

ZombieKitten said:

i rather have them locked up before they abuse a child then wait for it to actually happen. And if they were to talk to a psychologist or psychiatrist, they are bound by doctor/patient confidentiality.

I guess it is best that I do not get a say. I often wonder if they know they are sick, why don't they volunteer to be castrated or chemically altered somehow.

DesireeNevermind said:

I saw one too, where a grown man explained how a little girl of 6 or 7 was dressed in her little white nightgown, sitting up in her bed, and he truly believed her gestures, her speech, what she was wearing, EVERYTHING was to tempt him, to invite him to have sex with her. Tell me that is a normal person, with normal thought processes, the ability to tell right from wrong. It is SO FAR from normal, it's up there with people who kill because god tells them to.

Vendetta1 said:

I can understand you feeling that way. I'm not saying a crime shouldn't be punished, but as Charlotte said the only way right now we have of dealing with this is the criminal justice system AFTER an offense is committed. I just think it must be made a priority to get inside this and try to understand exactly why there are people driven to do it.

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Vendetta1 said:

aren't health care professionals obliged to tell in a case like this? like if a person is deigned a danger to society?
I do also think there are a lot of folks well below average intelligence who, if they have compulsions like this, really don't understand it. They just act on impulse.

ZombieKitten said:

I don't think the doctors can tell but I am not sure.

And I do not believe pedophiles act on impulse because if they did, they would not do what they do in the dark, away from everyone else.

I could only read so much of this shit before i wanted to but there's plenty sites that discuss this form of barbarism. that's what i call it anyway.

http://www.psychologytoda...d-molester
The Mind of a Child Molester
You may have met convicted sex offender Alan X. He didn't skulk behind bushes, instead he cultivated his victims amid their families, churches and, yes, Boy Scouts troops. This cunning sociopath manipulated and molested more than 1,000 boys by becoming their best friend. Here he turns a laser-sharp eye on himself.
By Amy Hammel-Zabin, published on July 01, 2003 - last reviewed on March 11, 2005

I was 7 when I first offended. I lured a boy of 5 into a storage shed and manipulated him into pulling down his pants and underpants. It was in the middle of summer, and the child was wearing no shirt, shoes or socks, so when he submitted to my demands, he was standing naked before me. Once he had stood there for a moment or two, staring at the floor to avoid my eyes, I told him to get dressed, and after bribing him to keep our secret, we left.

Although I had no physical contact with the boy, the absolute high came for me the instant the child undid the snap to open his pants. I felt as if electricity were pouring through me. I enjoyed making him stand there, but the rest of his act, actually taking the pants down, was not nearly as exciting as when he made the first move indicating that he was going to do what I wanted.

I was the youngest of three children born into a middle-class working family. I never really wanted for any physical necessity nor was I ever subjected to any form of physical abuse.



How Severe is the Damage?
http://www.childmolestati...rges_story
Some people will say that sexually touching a child does no harm. Some adults will even tell boy victims to "act like a man" and "stop whining." Other adults are unsympathetic about the experiences of adult survivors. They will say that, no matter what happened in childhood, that is the past. You're an adult now, so get over it.

The facts are that sexual abuse does harm the child and that the damage often carries over into the child's adult life.

Studies show that this damage can include:

* difficulty in forming long-term relationships;
* sexual risk-taking that may lead to contracting sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS;
* physical complaints and physical symptoms;
* depression, suicidal thoughts, and suicide;
* links to failure of the immune system and to increases in illnesses, hospitalizations, and early deaths.

In addition to the tangible physical and emotional damage that sexual abuse does to the child, that terrible secret that is held so close by two or three family members can go on to tear at the fiber of the family in generation after generation.

Vendetta1 said:

like with ALL people, I don't think all pedophiles act in the same way (although the end result is always the same) Maybe impulse was the wrong choice of word - compulsion, craving?

ZombieKitten said:

It's frightening. Does such a person then not know it's wrong? I mean, take an alcoholic. It might feel good or right or numb the pain or whatever but society's telling them it's wrong. Physically their body tells them it's wrong. I don't think anybody's going around with a drinking problem not knowing it's a bad way to live. I've no doubt at least some paedophiles feel guilt or know that society overwhelmingly says what they're doing is wrong, but there are no physical finger-wags there to tell them to stop. It feels good to them. Does that interfere with their idea of right and wrong? Are guilt or shame and the laws of the courts and society in general not enough to make them try to do the things Ivy suggested, like volunteer to be castrated?

Fauxie said:

if guilt and shame and the threat of punishment were enough, there would be NO CRIME


guilt and shame and the threat of punishment is probably a strong enough deterrent to getting help.

I am sure there are pedophiles too that DON'T CARE about right or wrong, only their own needs and who will stop at nothing to feel good. However that very fact or NOT HAVING no morals, isn't that an abnormality? like a sociopath?