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Thread started 07/23/09 11:18am

morningsong

Mexican-Americans

Something has been bugging me for a while now, but I don't say anything because I don't know if it's considered offensive. But I really want to know if this is a regional thing, so hopeful it doesn't come off obnoxious.

The word Chicano, I've grown up with it, I like the sound of it, I remember when Chicano Park was being built here and it was a major deal. Many years ago I noticed the word stopped being used, even to the point it seemed offensive. At the time I understood since there were different people coming from many spanish-speaking countries and they took offense. I dropped it from my vocabulary. A few months ago I saw a girl wearing a t-shirt, saying something on the lines of "I'm not hispanic, I'm chicano". I was like, whoa, okay. Then I'm hearing more on the radio the word is being used continuously. Suddenly, it seems I'm hearing it all the time now. Okay, George Lopez is coming to town, and at least here he's being referred to as Chicano, I've never noticed that before. So is this a local phenomena or is there a new surge going on or what?
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Reply #1 posted 07/23/09 12:13pm

mzkqueen03

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[Edited 11/25/09 13:44pm]
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #2 posted 07/23/09 12:16pm

Dauphin

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We are Aboriginal Americans.
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Still it's nice to know, when our bodies wear out, we can get another

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Reply #3 posted 07/23/09 12:26pm

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To my understanding (and I consider myself Chicano), a Chicano is a person of Mexican descent born in the U.S. My parents were born in the U.S. so they are Chicanos, too. Now my grandparents were born in Mexico but are U.S. citizens. They are NOT Chicanos.
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Reply #4 posted 07/23/09 12:31pm

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[Edited 11/25/09 13:45pm]
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #5 posted 07/23/09 12:36pm

morningsong

mzkqueen03 said:

...let me try my best..
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...a Hispanic...is of Spanish-decent...meaning spain...
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..a chicano...is 1st generation born in USA of mexican-parents..
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...i consider myself CHICANA..very proud of it 2 biggrin
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...but i can say i am hispanic...cuz my great-grandpa was a spainard born in Spain...
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..now there are 2 kinds of Chicana....there is Chola-chicana...and...Cha-Cha-chicana...
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...chola is more west-coast...
..cha-cha is more mid-west...
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...i can say i'm Cha-Cha Chicana..from Chicago lol
..mzsexybaby sexy



hmm,interesting. I grew up understanding it to means specifically Mexicans born in America, but then we're right next to the border so it was basically only Mexicans of hispanic descent that were generally around. But it's interesting to know that the word really isn't local. Am I tripping when I thought it became offensive?
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Reply #6 posted 07/23/09 12:38pm

morningsong

Dauphin said:

We are Aboriginal Americans.



What the heck does that mean? Native Austrailians born in America?
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Reply #7 posted 07/23/09 12:38pm

morningsong

dannyd5050 said:

To my understanding (and I consider myself Chicano), a Chicano is a person of Mexican descent born in the U.S. My parents were born in the U.S. so they are Chicanos, too. Now my grandparents were born in Mexico but are U.S. citizens. They are NOT Chicanos.


Cool, so it's not an obsolete term
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Reply #8 posted 07/23/09 12:41pm

dannyd5050

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morningsong said:

mzkqueen03 said:

...let me try my best..
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...a Hispanic...is of Spanish-decent...meaning spain...
.
..a chicano...is 1st generation born in USA of mexican-parents..
.
...i consider myself CHICANA..very proud of it 2 biggrin
.
...but i can say i am hispanic...cuz my great-grandpa was a spainard born in Spain...
.
..now there are 2 kinds of Chicana....there is Chola-chicana...and...Cha-Cha-chicana...
.
...chola is more west-coast...
..cha-cha is more mid-west...
.
...i can say i'm Cha-Cha Chicana..from Chicago lol
..mzsexybaby sexy



hmm,interesting. I grew up understanding it to means specifically Mexicans born in America, but then we're right next to the border so it was basically only Mexicans of hispanic descent that were generally around. But it's interesting to know that the word really isn't local. Am I tripping when I thought it became offensive?


Hispanic is a general term that can include all sorts of Spanish speaking people. But you can offend a Mexican by calling them Chicano if they were not born here. Basically in my hispanic world you're either Chicano or you're Mexican, ie., either born here or not born here.
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Reply #9 posted 07/23/09 12:43pm

MoniGram

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mzkqueen03 said:

...let me try my best..
.
...a Hispanic...is of Spanish-decent...meaning spain...
.
..a chicano...is 1st generation born in USA of mexican-parents..
.
...i consider myself CHICANA..very proud of it 2 biggrin
.
...but i can say i am hispanic...cuz my great-grandpa was a spainard born in Spain...
.
..now there are 2 kinds of Chicana....there is Chola-chicana...and...Cha-Cha-chicana...
.
...chola is more west-coast...
..cha-cha is more mid-west...
.
...i can say i'm Cha-Cha Chicana..from Chicago lol
..mzsexybaby sexy


I have never heard of the Cha-Cha Chicana...that's a new one for me. biggrin
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Reply #10 posted 07/23/09 12:46pm

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I am a full blooded Mexican (both parents and all grandparents were born in Mexico) But I was born in Santa Barbara, California. I am Mexican/American, but I consider myself 100% American with a splash of Mexican. My heart and soul in American, my toasty color says Mexican. mexican
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Reply #11 posted 07/23/09 12:47pm

MoniGram

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PaisleyPark5083 said:

I am a full blooded Mexican (both parents and all grandparents were born in Mexico) But I was born in Santa Barbara, California. I am Mexican/American, but I consider myself 100% American with a splash of Mexican. My heart and soul in American, my toasty color says Mexican. mexican


giggle I like that! giggle
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Reply #12 posted 07/23/09 12:58pm

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PaisleyPark5083 said:

I am a full blooded Mexican (both parents and all grandparents were born in Mexico) But I was born in Santa Barbara, California. I am Mexican/American, but I consider myself 100% American with a splash of Mexican. My heart and soul in American, my toasty color says Mexican. mexican


I consider myself 100% American too since I was born in Dallas, TX, but technically I'm Mexican/American (like you said) so that makes me Chicano. So would you deny that you are Chicana?
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Reply #13 posted 07/23/09 1:02pm

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dannyd5050 said:

PaisleyPark5083 said:

I am a full blooded Mexican (both parents and all grandparents were born in Mexico) But I was born in Santa Barbara, California. I am Mexican/American, but I consider myself 100% American with a splash of Mexican. My heart and soul in American, my toasty color says Mexican. mexican


I consider myself 100% American too since I was born in Dallas, TX, but technically I'm Mexican/American (like you said) so that makes me Chicano. So would you deny that you are Chicana?

God no, I speak spanglish as much as everyone else. falloff
I just am very proud to be an American flag My Mother and Father both went through hell to get our family here to live the American dream. I am also as chicana as they come, I speak fluent spanish, and enjoy a nice Taco de Carnitas from my local cart vendor. falloff
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Reply #14 posted 07/23/09 1:02pm

veronikka

dannyd5050 said:

morningsong said:




hmm,interesting. I grew up understanding it to means specifically Mexicans born in America, but then we're right next to the border so it was basically only Mexicans of hispanic descent that were generally around. But it's interesting to know that the word really isn't local. Am I tripping when I thought it became offensive?


Hispanic is a general term that can include all sorts of Spanish speaking people. But you can offend a Mexican by calling them Chicano if they were not born here. Basically in my hispanic world you're either Chicano or you're Mexican, ie., either born here or not born here.


That is how I use the term hispanic as well
and I consider myself Mexican/American nod
I have never used the term Chicano
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Reply #15 posted 07/23/09 1:08pm

mzkqueen03

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[Edited 11/25/09 13:45pm]
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #16 posted 07/23/09 1:11pm

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mzkqueen03 said:

MoniGram said:



I have never heard of the Cha-Cha Chicana...that's a new one for me. biggrin


..it is a style of dress...the cha-cha part...
...i'm proud 2 say...i think i invented the style lol
..mzsexybaby sexy

yes honey, you invented cha-cha. rolleyes
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Reply #17 posted 07/23/09 1:12pm

Christopher

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veronikka said:


and I consider myself Mexican/American nod
I have never used the term Chicano

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Reply #18 posted 07/23/09 1:14pm

mzkqueen03

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[Edited 11/25/09 13:46pm]
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #19 posted 07/23/09 1:15pm

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Christopher said:

veronikka said:


and I consider myself Mexican/American nod
I have never used the term Chicano


My Mom use to take her shoe off her foot and throw it at us, and then say "bring me back my shoe" falloff
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Reply #20 posted 07/23/09 1:20pm

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morningsong said:

Something has been bugging me for a while now, but I don't say anything because I don't know if it's considered offensive. But I really want to know if this is a regional thing, so hopeful it doesn't come off obnoxious.

The word Chicano, I've grown up with it, I like the sound of it, I remember when Chicano Park was being built here and it was a major deal. Many years ago I noticed the word stopped being used, even to the point it seemed offensive. At the time I understood since there were different people coming from many spanish-speaking countries and they took offense. I dropped it from my vocabulary. A few months ago I saw a girl wearing a t-shirt, saying something on the lines of "I'm not hispanic, I'm chicano". I was like, whoa, okay. Then I'm hearing more on the radio the word is being used continuously. Suddenly, it seems I'm hearing it all the time now. Okay, George Lopez is coming to town, and at least here he's being referred to as Chicano, I've never noticed that before. So is this a local phenomena or is there a new surge going on or what?



I think its regional. I live in California and I remember mexican americans fighting for acceptance of the word Chicano. I guess at one point it was considered offensive I'm not sure. But as far as I know it's specific to Mexicans. The mejicanos I know don't care for the term hispanic because basically if you speak spanish and have a spanish surname you could be called hispanic regardless of ethnicity or origin. It's very vague like the term Latin (which could also include Italians and French).

I also think Chicano is an old term too maybe starting with the Mexican civil rights movement.
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Reply #21 posted 07/23/09 1:21pm

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morningsong said:

Dauphin said:

We are Aboriginal Americans.



What the heck does that mean? Native Austrailians born in America?



spit oh lord stop.
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Reply #22 posted 07/23/09 1:23pm

DesireeNevermi
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mzkqueen03 said:

...let me try my best..
.
...a Hispanic...is of Spanish-decent...meaning spain...
.
..a chicano...is 1st generation born in USA of mexican-parents..
.
...i consider myself CHICANA..very proud of it 2 biggrin
.
...but i can say i am hispanic...cuz my great-grandpa was a spainard born in Spain...
.
..now there are 2 kinds of Chicana....there is Chola-chicana...and...Cha-Cha-chicana...
.
...chola is more west-coast...
..cha-cha is more mid-west...
.
...i can say i'm Cha-Cha Chicana..from Chicago lol
..mzsexybaby sexy



yeahthat


I lean like a Cholo music
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Reply #23 posted 07/23/09 1:24pm

mzkqueen03

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[Edited 11/25/09 13:47pm]
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #24 posted 07/23/09 1:27pm

veronikka

PaisleyPark5083 said:

Christopher said:



My Mom use to take her shoe off her foot and throw it at us, and then say "bring me back my shoe" falloff



and then asked, "why you cryin" falloff
Rhythm floods my heart♥The melody it feeds my soul
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Reply #25 posted 07/23/09 1:27pm

DesireeNevermi
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mzkqueen03 said:

DesireeNevermind said:




yeahthat


I lean like a Cholo music


..u know what??... lol i like that song!!..
...mzsexybaby sexy



the chola version was messed up though. kinda disrespectful toward the ladies.
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Reply #26 posted 07/23/09 1:30pm

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I seriously thought this was going to be about the Cheech and Chong song.
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Reply #27 posted 07/23/09 1:35pm

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mzkqueen03 said:

...let me try my best..
.
...a Hispanic...is of Spanish-decent...meaning spain...
.
..a chicano...is 1st generation born in USA of mexican-parents..
.
...i consider myself CHICANA..very proud of it 2 biggrin
.
...but i can say i am hispanic...cuz my great-grandpa was a spainard born in Spain...
.
..now there are 2 kinds of Chicana....there is Chola-chicana...and...Cha-Cha-chicana...
.
...chola is more west-coast...
..cha-cha is more mid-west...

.
...i can say i'm Cha-Cha Chicana..from Chicago lol
..mzsexybaby sexy



Say it's just a dream...
U open up ur eyes and come 2 realize
u simply imagined this
So u lean over and give her a kiss
Here on earth, here on earth,
with u it's not so bad
Here on earth, here on earth
eye don't feel so sad
Stay right here
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Reply #28 posted 07/23/09 1:36pm

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[Edited 11/25/09 13:48pm]
..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #29 posted 07/23/09 1:39pm

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Aboriginal
1: being the first or earliest known of its kind present in a region
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Still it's nice to know, when our bodies wear out, we can get another

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