Ten is often a transition point from one cycle to another.

My last contact with my grandmother being concious was 7/12

7+1+2 = 10

i'll let Mach answer edit
[Edited 7/30/09 13:13pm]

matthewgrant said:

Ohhhh No no NO your answer was good ...

health, wealth, and physical properties
deeper meanings provided by the earth and nature itself

as above so below

earth air fire water spirit - balanced

a portal




anything ringing a chime for you ?

Mach said:

Pentacles: Earth element, Represents the body and the physical. Best known for representing health and money, but is also anything to do with work, a job, a task, a craft. Also luck. That which is solid, real.

Here ...

check this too

http://whisperingworlds.c...tacles.php

gotta cook dinner

ya

Mach said:

Pentacles: Earth element, Represents the body and the physical. Best known for representing health and money, but is also anything to do with work, a job, a task, a craft. Also luck. That which is solid, real.

matthewgrant said:

Since you fielded this question so magnificently, can you break down the rest of the suits for me?

Also, did you have to memorize the meanings of the cards, did you just learn them as you went? Did you invent meanings for cards that weren't necessarily in the book? Do all tarot decks come with the little book thing explaining the cards? Does the definition remain the same regardless of what style???

Questions!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

first of all I got that from:
http://www.aeclectic.net/...uits.shtml
Wands
FIRE
Represents passion. As such, in a reading it usually stands for a Querent's ambition, career, creative endeavors, religion and/or philosophy. Anything a person might put their energy and soul into, such as teaching and leadership. This is something you have to do, whether you are recompensed for it or not. It is something that burns inside of you and you need to act on it.

Cups
WATER
Represents the emotions. Best known for representing the Querent's love life, but it also stands for emotional extremes, such as elation, depression or bliss, and the negatives that come with such emotions, like over-indulgence in food, drink, drugs. Likewise the positives like poetry or music. Also, psychic powers, visions, illusions. These are feelings that you surrender to, that you flow or sink into.

Swords
AIR
Represents pure mind, thinking, speaking. Best known for representing problems and troubles especially those relating to communications or bad press, but really about anything to do with either words and/or thoughts. Brilliant thoughts as well as nightmares; sharp ideas or a sharp tongue. This is the card of scientists and analysts, of thinking things through or thinking/saying too much. Ideas breeze into your mind, words are given breath, written letters and messages fly on the wind.

Pentacles
EARTH
Represents the body and the physical. Best known for representing health and money, but is also anything to do with work, a job, a task, a craft. Also luck. That which is solid, real.


http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn

learning the Tarot can take years and years and years, I think there's good reason psychics are depicted as an old woman or "witch/wise ". learning all the symbols which can almost be like a dream if each card were a scene. (ex. spilled cup, mermaid, winding road etc.). Because of this Tarot isn't my chosen form of divination even tho I still find it plenty interesting(I lack the patience). I've never got past using the guide to help me with these meanings.

most definitions should(like dreams) stay pretty universal, so regardless of deck(unless stated otherwise) should be the same no matter how esotaric and artistic the scene becomes on the cards.

My advice. keep with it. the meanings and symbols will stick in your mind learn them as you go. you're having cards that are repeating them selves so less rely on the guide to tell you what they mean if you've read from it before. try and remember which symbols where what and where and for why.
[Edited 7/30/09 18:51pm]

matthewgrant said:

Thank you for this! I could google and all that but I'd rather engage fellow :insertwhateveryoucallyourselfhere:

In my history with the tarot, Cups and Swords come up the most which is perfect as emotion and mind. The 2 parts of me that strive to come together for common purpose. The pentacles, I'm sure are a reminder and not my focus. I survive and do what I can to help my family but I always feel like I need the lotto! The pentacles, I feel, are more a reminder of focus on that area but hopefully will bring the little bountiful crops I so need and deserve

I can remember the theme of the cards. What about the Arcana????? Is that like a combination of all the suits, is there a singular theme or is it totally individual? Mach said that the Wheel of Fortune is the 10 card in the Arcana. I pulled that card today.

I don't think I will have a problem understanding the cards, once I have the general meanings down and once I have experience with the cards themselves. I want to get to the point where I don't need the book and I know I can. I have an incredible obsessive streak in my artistic endeavors and this to me is an art. Just click on my "portal" link to see the depths I will go for something I'm passionate in. If you think that is something, click on the "B side" link at the bottom. I was hated over that thread But my art isn't just technical, it's emotional and intellectual too. Perfect for the cards.

Thank you Matthew, Mach, Sammi, Slave and Kidsgirl for participating. I love all of you very much. Interesting that this thread is concentrated to just the 5 of us.....

As the aces were the pure, elemental spark of the suit, the tens are the element of the suit complete. Not as in the nines, which are physical completion, but in a transcendent fashion. It is the ultimate good or bad of that element.

well if i'm understanding correctly, all the (Major)Arcana are individual (from eachother unlike the suits).

then you bring up something interesting I've never really thought of before, the Wheel being number 10 so like the 10s in the Minor Arcana:


I never put an importance on the position/number within the (Major)Arcana. maybe you're suppose to tho

but anyhow, it's late here. much love to you Supa.
BTW I love your 2000th post "Drag Queens-A political perspective".
[Edited 7/30/09 22:22pm]

I never put an importance on the position/number within the (Major)Arcana. maybe you're suppose to tho

matthewgrant said:

Mach, can you shed any insight on this?

When trying to read the Fives, think of the Hierophant. The Hierophant represents a teacher, counselor, or priest, someone who advises people when they're in trouble. Likewise, the Fives are unique cards in that each one seems to pose both a problem and an answer. After four fairly smooth cards of growth and development, the fives represent the fly in the ointment. Instability; the changes that make one humble and allow for growth.

Of the question asked of the Hierophant by a troubled supplicant, the problem is real world. The answer, however, appropriate to the Hierophant, is usually spiritual or at least pragmatic. Understand that all Fives temper the Querent - you go through the fire, the low points, the hard times, in order to come out stronger.

As the fives indicated a particular problem, so do the sevens. The fives were about loss, losing momentum, losing love, losing an argument, losing money. The question there was, "How do I deal with this loss?" The sevens are about finding yourself in a situation where you are not in control. Sevens relate to the Chariot, a card about finding and maintaining complete control and mastery over wild or opposing forces.

If the charioteer lets his horses run where they will, as they will, the chariot will crash. He not only has to have them completely in hand, but to win in a race or war, he must also control direction and speed. So, too, in life. You need to know not only how to take control but also how to direct the forces once you have them in hand. Sevens, like fives, are about overcoming fears and finding a way to succeed in a tough situation. They answer the question, "How do I take control?"

OK, the way I just read that thing, it made it sound like 1 to 5 are more positive, and 6 - 10 not so much. Or would it be like a mountain, peaking in the climbing, peaking in the middle at 5 and descending? And would that philosophy apply to the whole entire deck or did I just totally misundertand what I just read?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

well no because once you get to 6 you're balanced and 9 and 10 are completion cards.

thinking about numbers and cards hurts my brain dismiss what i've said for now. Mach, Sammi or somebody else with more experience will come to the rescue.

matthewgrant said:

Did you ever see my numbers thread??!!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I may have what was it called? I'll look it up. (or does google custom search only work for prince stuff?)

Edit
Nevermind I found it
[Edited 7/31/09 18:12pm]

matthewgrant said:

Hold onto your damn hat with that one I have always feared numbers but apparently, they love me

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

yikes. but that's pretty interesting. and you've ended up in accounting?

Yesterday when I pulled the Ace of Pentacles, I put the card back and I shuffled the deck and then I spread the cards out and I waved my hand across the cards until I felt something. I felt energy from one particular point and I pulled a card from that point and it was the Ace of Pentacles. The same exact card that I just pulled.

Today, I shuffled the cards and spread them out and thought in my mind that I wanted to pull a cat. I scanned the cards with my eyes, back and forth back and forth until a card stood out to me. I pulled it, it was Strength from the Major Arcana. On it, the lion.

Mach, are either of these methods the one you use in those threads when pulling cards for orgers or do you use another method? Is it supposed to be secret the method you use or is this dependent on the person. I just gave my methods away if it's supposed to be secret

matthewgrant said:

Mach, can you shed any insight on this?

matthewgrant said:

I can't believe it. I just did the analysis on our global cash receipts and my boss said what a wonderful and insightful package it is. Initially I wouldn't take this job for fear of numbers but it's 8 years and now I'm doing number threads!



thank you so much for being in my thread Most people look at me like I'm crazy so I don't even share this stuff.