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Printablejockeyb4u said: JustErin said: But this is not about pitting different types of athletes against each other in certain sports (like your example - a race). This thread is weird. How is this thread weird? I meant some of the comments are really off. | |
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jockeyb4u said: MuthaFunka said: Put it this way - if a cyclist and a runner were to compete in a marathon, who would have the clear advantage between the 2? That's my point.
If a cornerback and a point guard were to compete in tackling drills who would have the advantage? Would it make one the lesser athlete? Depends. Did the point guard ever play organized football? And where did I ever say a cyclist was a lesser athlete? Re-read my original comment before you continue to get this all wrong. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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NDRU said: MuthaFunka said: And I'm saying that using an actual vehicle is MUCH more advantageous than using JUST SHOES. I'm not comparing cyclists with cyclists or runners with runners, I'm comparing the difference in physical exertion when an athlete uses a vehicle as opposed to an athlete that doesn't. There's a clear advantage as far as moving/propelling when an athlete uses a vehicle. I understand that bikes make you faster, and go father yes. But you seem to be saying that cyclists aren't exerting themselves fully because they have some kind of advantage. But against other cyclists they have no advantage. They have to fully exert themselves in order to win. Dude, this isn't - nor has it ever been - about cyclists vs cyclists, so I have no idea why you keep going there. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: JustErin said: But this is not about pitting different types of athletes against each other in certain sports (like your example - a race). This thread is weird. I only used that to show the difference between using a vehicle in athletics as opposed to JUST using shoes. Makes you wonder why runners just don't enter the Tour De France and dominate.  | |
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jockeyb4u said: MuthaFunka said: I only used that to show the difference between using a vehicle in athletics as opposed to JUST using shoes. Makes you wonder why runners just don't enter the Tour De France and dominate. Depends. Did any of the runners ever compete in long distance cycling events? To think athletes can't cross over to other sports is pretty shortsighted  .nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: jockeyb4u said: Makes you wonder why runners just don't enter the Tour De France and dominate. Depends. Did any of the runners ever compete in long distance cycling events? To think athletes can't cross over to other sports is pretty shortsighted .Well, when I start seeing marathon winners crossing over and competing in more prestigious events like the Tour De France. That's when I'll stop be shortsighted. Btw. How would you rate Armstrong as an athlete? [Edited 7/8/09 12:08pm] | |
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jockeyb4u said: MuthaFunka said: Depends. Did any of the runners ever compete in long distance cycling events? To think athletes can't cross over to other sports is pretty shortsighted .Well, when I start seeing marathon winners crossing over and competing in more prestigious events like the Tour De France. That's when I'll stop be shortsighted. Btw. How would you rate Armstrong as an athlete? [Edited 7/8/09 12:08pm] There are some that do just that - Triathletes. If Armstrong is clean, he's one of the greatest athletes of all time. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: NDRU said: I understand that bikes make you faster, and go father yes. But you seem to be saying that cyclists aren't exerting themselves fully because they have some kind of advantage. But against other cyclists they have no advantage. They have to fully exert themselves in order to win. Dude, this isn't - nor has it ever been - about cyclists vs cyclists, so I have no idea why you keep going there.  But I don't see why you think he'd run a 100M dash on a bike. 
The reason I'm talking cyclist vs. cyclists is because one way to look at all time great athletes is their dominance within their respective sports Another way to look at it is to say who would win an all around competition. But that's pure speculation. I don't think Lance would win an all around competition (or come close, even), but I think his dominance is up there with the all time greats. My Legacy
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MuthaFunka said: mcmeekle said: I would say all top sporting events use 100% physical exertion. No, because not all athletes aren't capable of physically exerting at their optimum level, which is one of the reasons some athletes are better than others within their same sport - some athletes can reach optimum output while others can't, which usually results in victory for those that can. I don't understand any of that! 
But, my point was, to win any major running/cycling/swimming/etc event, you need to give it 100% exertion. The only difference is event length, but it's still 100%. | |
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NDRU said: MuthaFunka said: Dude, this isn't - nor has it ever been - about cyclists vs cyclists, so I have no idea why you keep going there. But I don't see why you think he'd run a 100M dash on a bike.
The reason I'm talking cyclist vs. cyclists is because one way to look at all time great athletes is their dominance within their respective sports Another way to look at it is to say who would win an all around competition. But that's pure speculation. I don't think Lance would win an all around competition (or come close, even), but I think his dominance is up there with the all time greats. Ok, so we were debating 2 completely different things:
1 - (Your debate) Within his sport, I agree - if he's clean, he's the GOAT. 2 - (My debate) In comparing ALL athletes, those that use vehicles have to be placed/considered differently from those that do not. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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mcmeekle said: MuthaFunka said: No, because not all athletes aren't capable of physically exerting at their optimum level, which is one of the reasons some athletes are better than others within their same sport - some athletes can reach optimum output while others can't, which usually results in victory for those that can. I don't understand any of that!
But, my point was, to win any major running/cycling/swimming/etc event, you need to give it 100% exertion. The only difference is event length, but it's still 100%. Right, and my point is, ALL athletes don't give 100% within the same event. Or another way to look at it would be - Lance's 100% is better than LeMond's 100%. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: mcmeekle said: I don't understand any of that!
But, my point was, to win any major running/cycling/swimming/etc event, you need to give it 100% exertion. The only difference is event length, but it's still 100%. Right, and my point is, ALL athletes don't give 100% within the same event. Or another way to look at it would be - Lance's 100% is better than LeMond's 100%. But aren't they both cyclists? 
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mcmeekle said: MuthaFunka said: Right, and my point is, ALL athletes don't give 100% within the same event. Or another way to look at it would be - Lance's 100% is better than LeMond's 100%. But aren't they both cyclists?
I'm going for a lie down, this is 110% exertion! That's why I used 2 cyclists .nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: NDRU said: But I don't see why you think he'd run a 100M dash on a bike.
The reason I'm talking cyclist vs. cyclists is because one way to look at all time great athletes is their dominance within their respective sports Another way to look at it is to say who would win an all around competition. But that's pure speculation. I don't think Lance would win an all around competition (or come close, even), but I think his dominance is up there with the all time greats. Ok, so we were debating 2 completely different things:
1 - (Your debate) Within his sport, I agree - if he's clean, he's the GOAT. 2 - (My debate) In comparing ALL athletes, those that use vehicles have to be placed/considered differently from those that do not. yes, but also my version of the dabate is not just limited to the one sport, but a comparison of achievements between sports. Are Jordan's 6 titles greater domination than Lances Tour de france wins or Federer's 7 Wimbledons/4 years at #1? But yeah it's two distinctly different ways of comparing athletes. My Legacy
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MuthaFunka said: mcmeekle said: But aren't they both cyclists?
I'm going for a lie down, this is 110% exertion! That's why I used 2 cyclists .What if they were to run a marathon?  | |
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NDRU said: MuthaFunka said: Ok, so we were debating 2 completely different things:
1 - (Your debate) Within his sport, I agree - if he's clean, he's the GOAT. 2 - (My debate) In comparing ALL athletes, those that use vehicles have to be placed/considered differently from those that do not. yes, but also my version of the dabate is not just limited to the one sport, but a comparison of achievements between sports. Are Jordan's 6 titles greater domination than Lances Tour de france wins or Federer's 7 Wimbledons/4 years at #1? But yeah it's two distinctly different ways of comparing athletes. But that's why it's important to take all things possible into proper consideration and place in proper perspective when signifying the GAOAT. Team sports vs individual sports = hard to compare. Sports where vehicles are used vs sports that use no vehicles = hard to compare. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: NDRU said: yes, but also my version of the dabate is not just limited to the one sport, but a comparison of achievements between sports. Are Jordan's 6 titles greater domination than Lances Tour de france wins or Federer's 7 Wimbledons/4 years at #1? But yeah it's two distinctly different ways of comparing athletes. But that's why it's important to take all things possible into proper consideration and place in proper perspective when signifying the GAOAT. Team sports vs individual sports = hard to compare. Sports where vehicles are used vs sports that use no vehicles = hard to compare. definitely, from that perspective I totally agree with you. It's very hard to compare such different sports. [Edited 7/8/09 12:35pm] My Legacy
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NDRU said: MuthaFunka said: Ok, so we were debating 2 completely different things:
1 - (Your debate) Within his sport, I agree - if he's clean, he's the GOAT. 2 - (My debate) In comparing ALL athletes, those that use vehicles have to be placed/considered differently from those that do not. yes, but also my version of the dabate is not just limited to the one sport, but a comparison of achievements between sports. Are Jordan's 6 titles greater domination than Lances Tour de france wins . A champion that competes ONCE a year vs a champion that competes 100 plus times a year? U tell me. | |
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Graycap23 said: NDRU said: yes, but also my version of the dabate is not just limited to the one sport, but a comparison of achievements between sports. Are Jordan's 6 titles greater domination than Lances Tour de france wins . A champion that competes ONCE a year vs a champion that competes 100 plus times a year? U tell me. Yes but is it fair to compare a team player to an individual athlete? [Edited 7/8/09 13:16pm] What you don't remember never happened | |
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You can't compare apples and oranges. This is why these types of debates go on and on. I think it's a male thing, a need for stats, to list and order and organise.
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mcmeekle said: You can't compare apples and oranges. This is why these types of debates go on and on. I think it's a male thing, a need for stats, to list and order and organise.
Nothing wrong with trying though. Ya, FUCK MEN! THOSE FUCKERS!  | |
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JustErin said: mcmeekle said: You can't compare apples and oranges. This is why these types of debates go on and on. I think it's a male thing, a need for stats, to list and order and organise.
Nothing wrong with trying though. Ya, FUCK MEN! THOSE FUCKERS! Wash your mouth out young lady! :soap: | |
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endymion said: Graycap23 said: A champion that competes ONCE a year vs a champion that competes 100 plus times a year? U tell me. Yes but is it fair to compare a team player to an individual athlete? [Edited 7/8/09 13:16pm] No it is not. | |
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endymion said: Graycap23 said: A champion that competes ONCE a year vs a champion that competes 100 plus times a year? U tell me. Yes but is it fair to compare a team player to an individual athlete? [Edited 7/8/09 13:16pm] Or 1hr a week as opposed to 8hrs a day for 3 weeks solid The break did me good, time to focus on the positive not the negative.
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mcmeekle said: MuthaFunka said: That's why I used 2 cyclists .What if they were to run a marathon? Then they become biathletes - not to ever be confused with bisexualetes. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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endymion said: Graycap23 said: A champion that competes ONCE a year vs a champion that competes 100 plus times a year? U tell me. Yes but is it fair to compare a team player to an individual athlete? [Edited 7/8/09 13:16pm] Nope. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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mcmeekle said: You can't compare apples and oranges. This is why these types of debates go on and on. I think it's a male thing, a need for stats, to list and order and organise.
Nothing wrong with trying though. Pretty much. It's why sports analysts even exist for this sole purpose.nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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JustErin said: mcmeekle said: You can't compare apples and oranges. This is why these types of debates go on and on. I think it's a male thing, a need for stats, to list and order and organise.
Nothing wrong with trying though. Ya, FUCK MEN! THOSE FUCKERS! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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In my opinion, the greatest athlete of all time was Carl Lewis. To be THAT damn dominant over the course of 12 years in a sport that is ONLY about speed and is muddied in PEDs, is pretty fuckin' impressive. Then tack on the Long Jump in which he also competed in at the same high level for nearly as long - just amazing.
I can't consider an athlete as being GAOAT that played in a team sport, since his success hinged on the help of teammates. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Michael Phelps. Anyone who can swim high off his ass faster than fish can't be touched.  | |
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