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Reply #30 posted 06/23/09 2:01pm

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TLC is probably going to look at ratings and attitude of the audience and sponsors and determine if it's cost effective to keep the show running at somewhere between 50-75K per episode.
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All while complying with child labor laws, of course. wink

yeah that too.
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Reply #31 posted 06/23/09 2:50pm

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ehuffnsd said:

Jon & Kate Plus 8 will go on hiatus until August following the Gosselins' separation announcement on Monday's episode, TLC said in a statement.

"TLC continues to support the Gosselin family and will work closely with them to determine the best way to continue to tell their story as they navigate through this difficult time," the statement read.

The network said Monday's upcoming episode will be a retrospective clip show on Jon and Kate's 10-year marriage. The next new episode will air Aug. 3.

"During this time the family will take some time off to regroup and then a modified schedule will be in place to support the family's transition," the statement concluded.

TLC ordered 40 episodes for the season — the series' fifth — but only six have aired.

During their separation announcement on Monday's highly anticipated episode, both Jon and Kate said the show will continue. They said their children will remain in the Wernersville, Pa., home while they will alternate living there. "We interview separately, we'll film different things," Jon said. "Me and the kids, her and the kids."

Jon and Kate never used the word "divorce" to describe their plans in the episode, but Kate filed for divorce in a Pennsylvania court hours before the episode aired. On-screen text later in the episode said that legal papers were filed Monday to dissolve the Gosselins' marriage.

"Over the course of this weekend, Jon's activities have left me no choice but to file legal procedures in order to protect myself and our children," Kate said in a statement. "While there are reasons why it was appropriate and necessary for me to initiate this proceeding, I do not wish to discuss those reasons at this time, in the hope that all issues will be resolved amicably between Jon and myself. As always, my first priority remains our children."

Jon said in a separate statement on Monday that Kate filed divorce documents and that he is "deeply saddened" to be divorcing.

"This afternoon, Kate filed for divorce. Our kids are still my number one priority. I love them and want to make sure they stay happy, healthy and safe. My job is being the best, most supportive and loving father that I can be to my kids, and not being married to Kate doesn't change that," he said in the statement.

"This will be a difficult transition for all of us, but Kate and I will work out a schedule that enables our kids to have plenty of quality time with both of us at home in Pennsylvania. In terms of my marriage, it's no secret that the past six months or so have been very difficult for Kate and me. We are no different than other couples and parents who are facing a crossroads in their marriage. I am of course deeply saddened that we are divorcing."




didn't this heffer say she didn't want to raise them kids alone? confuse


She did. She might not want to,but she will have to. At least when it is her turn to be with them at the house. Obviously Jon made her feel that she had no other choice than to file for the divorce. It's a sad situation.
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Reply #32 posted 06/23/09 3:04pm

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Hopefully this will maybe serve to stem the ever-growing glut of other shows centered on giant families/a million kids.
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Reply #33 posted 06/23/09 3:16pm

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i've been waiting for this since i first stumbled across this show years ago. when the first episode i saw was the infamous shopping for toys for christmas episode.

that was the WORST, wasnt it????

he was like, you talk to me like im a dog disbelief my jaw just DROPPED watching that one!!

i wanted to blame the man in this situation - being a woman and all lol ... but, really, shes a bitch and i woulda advised him to leave her ass a looong time ago shrug
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Reply #34 posted 06/23/09 3:21pm

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i've been waiting for this since i first stumbled across this show years ago. when the first episode i saw was the infamous shopping for toys for christmas episode.

that was the WORST, wasnt it????

he was like, you talk to me like im a dog disbelief my jaw just DROPPED watching that one!!

i wanted to blame the man in this situation - being a woman and all lol ... but, really, shes a bitch and i woulda advised him to leave her ass a looong time ago shrug

this has been a LONG time coming
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Reply #35 posted 06/23/09 3:26pm

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As much as I dislike this show and Jon and Kate in general. I will give props where props are due. Tummy tuck aside, this bitch looks good, she did have a tummy tuck to get rid of her excess skin after giving birth to 6, never mind the twins! But she does workout to be fit and it shows. nod
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Reply #36 posted 06/23/09 3:43pm

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As much as I dislike this show and Jon and Kate in general. I will give props where props are due. Tummy tuck aside, this bitch looks good, she did have a tummy tuck to get rid of her excess skin after giving birth to 6, never mind the twins! But she does workout to be fit and it shows. nod

if i was making 3 million a year, with nannies and assistants to take care of my eight kids paid for by the channel that employs me and a personal trainer i'd look that good after a tummy tuck too

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All of a sudden, your kids are calling you your babysitter’s name. I got that for the first time the other day. That kills you. I’ve never had that before in my life. Very difficult.”

“You have to step back — and it’s that control thing — and realize, ‘Are my kids happy, healthy safe and loved?’ If the answer is yes to all of those things, you’re good.”

“They know that I love them. There’s no question. But I pour that ‘mommy guilt’ on myself a lot. Probably too much.”

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Reply #37 posted 06/23/09 3:49pm

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ehuffnsd said:

PaisleyPark5083 said:

As much as I dislike this show and Jon and Kate in general. I will give props where props are due. Tummy tuck aside, this bitch looks good, she did have a tummy tuck to get rid of her excess skin after giving birth to 6, never mind the twins! But she does workout to be fit and it shows. nod

if i was making 3 million a year, with nannies and assistants to take care of my eight kids paid for by the channel that employs me and a personal trainer i'd look that good after a tummy tuck too.

maybe not, there are countless chubby actresses out there right now with all the money in the world, nannies and trainers, and still can not do it *cough* Kirstie Alley, Keelie Shay Smith, and the mother of all rich fat people, Oprah. It takes a lot of effort to be fit.
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Reply #38 posted 06/23/09 4:20pm

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ehuffnsd said:

i've been waiting for this since i first stumbled across this show years ago. when the first episode i saw was the infamous shopping for toys for christmas episode.

that was the WORST, wasnt it????

he was like, you talk to me like im a dog disbelief my jaw just DROPPED watching that one!!

i wanted to blame the man in this situation - being a woman and all lol ... but, really, shes a bitch and i woulda advised him to leave her ass a looong time ago shrug


nod Co-sign to this! Kate talked down to Jon all the time on that show, like he was an ignorant child or something. disbelief I think, after 10 years of putting up with Kate's bitchiness, Jon said, "I've had enough! I'm done!" Can't say that I blame him one bit. But I DO feel sorry for those poor 8 kids, who are in the middle of this mess.
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Reply #39 posted 06/23/09 4:21pm

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ehuffnsd said:

nakedpianoplayer said:


that was the WORST, wasnt it????

he was like, you talk to me like im a dog disbelief my jaw just DROPPED watching that one!!

i wanted to blame the man in this situation - being a woman and all lol ... but, really, shes a bitch and i woulda advised him to leave her ass a looong time ago shrug

this has been a LONG time coming


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Reply #40 posted 06/23/09 5:19pm

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I really don't like Kate and her aerodynamic, country mullet.

She's an emasculating biatch. I would so hate to be on her staff. I can just imagine. She'd be the type that follows you to the bathroom n shit.

They both are whoring out their kids for the $$$$. Watch him get a show, John does NYC.

Dude is 32...means they got married at 22. She's older? Getting married that young is always trouble.
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Reply #41 posted 06/23/09 5:23pm

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It's cheaper to keep her.....How's he gonna pay Alimony and child support for all them damn babies??? eek
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Reply #42 posted 06/23/09 5:24pm

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It's cheaper to keep her.....How's he gonna pay Alimony and child support for all them damn babies??? eek

if she makes more than he does he doesn't have to.
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Reply #43 posted 06/23/09 5:40pm

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So I won't see them anymore? Thank God, so tired. Hearing about Kate spanking HER children, John weird self, getting old AMERICA! Feel bad for the kids, the parents should know better. Who would cheat with an Asian that has 8 kids? You'd never have on kid with him.
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Reply #44 posted 06/23/09 5:44pm

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n case you live under a boulder, Jon and Kate Gosselin of TLC's "Jon & Kate Plus 8" are splitting up. The Gosselin divorce, after 10 years of marriage and eight kids, is nothing new in the world of reality TV, where romances have crumbled on — and off — camera. Here's a look at some other notable breakups:

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NICK LACHEY AND JESSICA SIMPSON: This golden couple became household names on MTV's "Newlyweds," playing the role of adoringly patient husband and adorably ditsy wife. They became tabloid fodder as their 3-year marriage soured, rumors of infidelity swirled and fans cried, "We want the truth!" In a crude awakening for those who believe in "reality" love, Simpson filed for divorce in late 2005.

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JASON MESNICK AND MELISSA RYCROFT: Mesnick flipped fans' worlds upside when he dumped winner Rycroft for the runner-up, Molly Malaney. Rycroft moved on to "Dancing With the Stars" — a giant leap forward for her celebrity status. She can also take pleasure in rewatching the unintentionally hilarious "Bachelor" scene in which Mesnick sobs dramatically over a balcony. You dodged a bullet there, Melissa.

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HULK AND LINDA HOGAN: After three seasons, the VH1 series "Hogan Knows Best" ended for good in 2007 as the wrestler's family life took a dark turn. Supposedly, the Hulk cheated on Linda, who slapped down divorce papers and promptly began dating a 19-year-old version of her husband. Daughter Brooke Hogan has since gotten out the house — and her own reality show/trainwreck "Brooke Knows Best."

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DAVE NAVARRO AND CARMEN ELECTRA: OK, this union seemed built to last — and not because rocker Navarro and hottie Electra documented their wedded bliss for an MTV show called "`Till Death Do Us Part: Carmen & Dave." But because they seem like good people who could make it work (despite their rocky romantic track records). Sadly, they called it quits in 2006 after more than two years of marriage.

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COUNT AND COUNTESS DE LESSEPS: This split happened off camera but grabbed gossip headlines. Countess LuAnn de Lesseps, one of the cast members on Bravo's "The Real Housewives of New York," confirmed her separation from Count Alexandre de Lesseps in March, something the catty series didn't catch. After 16 years on wife duty, the Countess-turned-etiquette author will keep her title and, presumably, her dignity.

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HEF AND THE "GIRLS NEXT DOOR": Hugh Hefner had three times the heartache last year when his closest girlfriends — Holly Madison, Bridget Marquardt and Kendra Wilkinson, who now has a bunny in the oven — dumped him and moved on to other opportunities. The Playboy mogul has since replaced them with 19-year-old twins and a busty blonde named Crystal.

PAT AND BILL LOUD: 1973's "An American Family" has been regarded as the granddaddy of reality TV, when son Lance Loud came out of the closet before millions. But it was really a documentary, and as the 12-part series unfolded, viewers caught the very public dissolution of a marriage. Pat, cold as steel, informed her cheating husband Bill that she was divorcing him.
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Reply #45 posted 06/23/09 6:25pm

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ehuffnsd said:

n case you live under a boulder, Jon and Kate Gosselin of TLC's "Jon & Kate Plus 8" are splitting up. The Gosselin divorce, after 10 years of marriage and eight kids, is nothing new in the world of reality TV, where romances have crumbled on — and off — camera. Here's a look at some other notable breakups:

___

NICK LACHEY AND JESSICA SIMPSON: This golden couple became household names on MTV's "Newlyweds," playing the role of adoringly patient husband and adorably ditsy wife. They became tabloid fodder as their 3-year marriage soured, rumors of infidelity swirled and fans cried, "We want the truth!" In a crude awakening for those who believe in "reality" love, Simpson filed for divorce in late 2005.

___

JASON MESNICK AND MELISSA RYCROFT: Mesnick flipped fans' worlds upside when he dumped winner Rycroft for the runner-up, Molly Malaney. Rycroft moved on to "Dancing With the Stars" — a giant leap forward for her celebrity status. She can also take pleasure in rewatching the unintentionally hilarious "Bachelor" scene in which Mesnick sobs dramatically over a balcony. You dodged a bullet there, Melissa.

___

HULK AND LINDA HOGAN: After three seasons, the VH1 series "Hogan Knows Best" ended for good in 2007 as the wrestler's family life took a dark turn. Supposedly, the Hulk cheated on Linda, who slapped down divorce papers and promptly began dating a 19-year-old version of her husband. Daughter Brooke Hogan has since gotten out the house — and her own reality show/trainwreck "Brooke Knows Best."

___

DAVE NAVARRO AND CARMEN ELECTRA: OK, this union seemed built to last — and not because rocker Navarro and hottie Electra documented their wedded bliss for an MTV show called "`Till Death Do Us Part: Carmen & Dave." But because they seem like good people who could make it work (despite their rocky romantic track records). Sadly, they called it quits in 2006 after more than two years of marriage.

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COUNT AND COUNTESS DE LESSEPS: This split happened off camera but grabbed gossip headlines. Countess LuAnn de Lesseps, one of the cast members on Bravo's "The Real Housewives of New York," confirmed her separation from Count Alexandre de Lesseps in March, something the catty series didn't catch. After 16 years on wife duty, the Countess-turned-etiquette author will keep her title and, presumably, her dignity.


___

HEF AND THE "GIRLS NEXT DOOR": Hugh Hefner had three times the heartache last year when his closest girlfriends — Holly Madison, Bridget Marquardt and Kendra Wilkinson, who now has a bunny in the oven — dumped him and moved on to other opportunities. The Playboy mogul has since replaced them with 19-year-old twins and a busty blonde named Crystal.

PAT AND BILL LOUD: 1973's "An American Family" has been regarded as the granddaddy of reality TV, when son Lance Loud came out of the closet before millions. But it was really a documentary, and as the 12-part series unfolded, viewers caught the very public dissolution of a marriage. Pat, cold as steel, informed her cheating husband Bill that she was divorcing him.



the count and countess was really sad and you could tell she was hurt over it. but come on, chica was his fourth wife, muthafucca was gonna leave eventually. all them others were doomed from the start. some folk just aren't well suited for each other no matter how much they wanna fuck. confused


p.s. navarro and elektra was fucked up. she wanted kids and his bitch ass didn't. tragic.
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Reply #46 posted 06/23/09 6:31pm

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Now that it's official, can folks stop talking about their ignant asses now??? beg
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"I had a bunch of damn kids". I NEVER understood the draw of it.
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Reply #47 posted 06/23/09 7:05pm

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I heard about the divorce driving home from work yesterday, wasn't surprised a bit I didn't understand the big mystery. I watched the last few minutes of the show last night, listen to each of their interviews, my impression is that Jon has moved on and gotten him somebody else, and if Kate playing the martyr role, which is reasonable since she the one who's mostly going to be raising all eight of those kids by herself. I don't know if she has a relationship with that bodyguard or not, but if she doesn't already have somebody, she's going to be hard pressed find somebody with all of those kids. Last night I got the impression Jon was filing for the divorce, since he's not even talking to Kate at all, at least that's what she said.
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Reply #48 posted 06/23/09 7:07pm

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tummy tuck - check

breast augmentation - check

lipo suction - check

bank roll - check

divorce papers - check

new hubby - pending


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Reply #49 posted 06/23/09 7:16pm

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I heard about the divorce driving home from work yesterday, wasn't surprised a bit I didn't understand the big mystery. I watched the last few minutes of the show last night, listen to each of their interviews, my impression is that Jon has moved on and gotten him somebody else, and if Kate playing the martyr role, which is reasonable since she the one who's mostly going to be raising all eight of those kids by herself. I don't know if she has a relationship with that bodyguard or not, but if she doesn't already have somebody, she's going to be hard pressed find somebody with all of those kids. Last night I got the impression Jon was filing for the divorce, since he's not even talking to Kate at all, at least that's what she said.
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she's not raising them by herself. she has assistants a nanny and that body guard she's been having fun with.
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Reply #50 posted 06/23/09 9:23pm

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that was the WORST, wasnt it????

he was like, you talk to me like im a dog disbelief my jaw just DROPPED watching that one!!

i wanted to blame the man in this situation - being a woman and all lol ... but, really, shes a bitch and i woulda advised him to leave her ass a looong time ago shrug


nod Co-sign to this! Kate talked down to Jon all the time on that show, like he was an ignorant child or something. disbelief I think, after 10 years of putting up with Kate's bitchiness, Jon said, "I've had enough! I'm done!" Can't say that I blame him one bit. But I DO feel sorry for those poor 8 kids, who are in the middle of this mess.


When I started watching this show I was so drawn to all those little faces, and watching their little personalities develope! How hard is it to fall in love with toddlers and kindergardeners?! But then the nagging and bickering of the parents would eventually make the show uncomfortable to watch. So many instances you would be in a sweet family moment with the kids, where they would do something cute or funny, and then from out of nowhere you get Kate screaming at or berating her husband. They looked like they were in dire need of communication therapy as early as Season 1:

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Reply #53 posted 06/23/09 10:10pm

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this has been a LONG time coming


Agreed.


I will never forget the day she criticized him for breathing
eek. She stopped mid-sentence while answering an interview question and turned to him to say "I'm sorry, could you stop breathing like that???...Breathe quietly! Do you not hear yourself breathing???"

How on earth do you have a loving nurturing relationship with someone who chastizes you in front of millions and tells the whole world that she doesn't even like the way you breathe? This relationship implode was a long time coming indeed.
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Reply #54 posted 06/23/09 10:18pm

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Agreed.


I will never forget the day she criticized him for breathing
eek. She stopped mid-sentence while answering an interview question and turned to him to say "I'm sorry, could you stop breathing like that???...Breathe quietly! Do you not hear yourself breathing???"

How on earth do you have a loving nurturing relationship with someone who chastizes you in front of millions and tells the whole world that she doesn't even like the way you breathe? This relationship implode was a long time coming indeed.


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Reply #55 posted 06/23/09 10:48pm

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Ottensen said:

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nod Co-sign to this! Kate talked down to Jon all the time on that show, like he was an ignorant child or something. disbelief I think, after 10 years of putting up with Kate's bitchiness, Jon said, "I've had enough! I'm done!" Can't say that I blame him one bit. But I DO feel sorry for those poor 8 kids, who are in the middle of this mess.


When I started watching this show I was so drawn to all those little faces, and watching their little personalities develope! How hard is it to fall in love with toddlers and kindergardeners?! But then the nagging and bickering of the parents would eventually make the show uncomfortable to watch. So many instances you would be in a sweet family moment with the kids, where they would do something cute or funny, and then from out of nowhere you get Kate screaming at or berating her husband. They looked like they were in dire need of communication therapy as early as Season 1:




See what I don't understand is if he truely did not care for the way she was speaking to him he should have told her more directly or left. Even in that last scene is describes himself as :the whipping boy" but then laughs like he was not upset by it. I can not imagine how stressful it must have been trying to shop with the kids,and even though I don't agree with her bellowing at him in the store,I truely think that she felt like she did almost have to hold his hand because with that many kids you do have to have a structured schedule,and he seemed to always have to be told directions on what he should be doing.
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Reply #56 posted 06/23/09 11:03pm

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Ottensen said:



When I started watching this show I was so drawn to all those little faces, and watching their little personalities develope! How hard is it to fall in love with toddlers and kindergardeners?! But then the nagging and bickering of the parents would eventually make the show uncomfortable to watch. So many instances you would be in a sweet family moment with the kids, where they would do something cute or funny, and then from out of nowhere you get Kate screaming at or berating her husband. They looked like they were in dire need of communication therapy as early as Season 1:




See what I don't understand is if he truely did not care for the way she was speaking to him he should have told her more directly or left. Even in that last scene is describes himself as :the whipping boy" but then laughs like he was not upset by it. I can not imagine how stressful it must have been trying to shop with the kids,and even though I don't agree with her bellowing at him in the store,I truely think that she felt like she did almost have to hold his hand because with that many kids you do have to have a structured schedule,and he seemed to always have to be told directions on what he should be doing.


people tend to laugh when they are uncomfortable or dealing with emotions they don't know how to deal with.

most people are not taught how to have healthy relationships.
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Reply #57 posted 06/23/09 11:28pm

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Ottensen said:



When I started watching this show I was so drawn to all those little faces, and watching their little personalities develope! How hard is it to fall in love with toddlers and kindergardeners?! But then the nagging and bickering of the parents would eventually make the show uncomfortable to watch. So many instances you would be in a sweet family moment with the kids, where they would do something cute or funny, and then from out of nowhere you get Kate screaming at or berating her husband. They looked like they were in dire need of communication therapy as early as Season 1:




[quote]See what I don't understand is if he truely did not care for the way she was speaking to him he should have told her more directly or left. Even in that last scene is describes himself as :the whipping boy" but then laughs like he was not upset by it. I can not imagine how stressful it must have been trying to shop with the kids,and even though I don't agree with her bellowing at him in the store,I truely think that she felt like she did almost have to hold his hand because with that many kids you do have to have a structured schedule,and he seemed to always have to be told directions on what he should be doing.[/quote]

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In this episode he expressed to his wife that he was annoyed and embarrassed by the way she screams at him in public. Additionally, what would be the sense in him leaving them at the store? It doesn't get to the root of the problem, and it would have been pretty shitty to leave her there alone handling the holiday shopping with 8 kids.

As for those who would argue she has tell him what do... please, he is a grown ass man. In my view he doesn't need to told anything. The correct way to communicate with your spouse or life partner when you want something done is to request, be it firmly or softly. There is a way to express urgency to people without resorting to the fundamental disrepsect this woman shows her partner incessantly. Furthermore, the idea that her own husband, who has been built a life and a home with her and has been co-parenting since those children came out of the womb somehow needs to be told what he should be doing is ludicrous to me. Maybe this is a concept that would have been more applicable in the 1950's with the way parenting and gender roles were structured. However, the way life works these days I know nary a husband and father who can't nail down the basic logistics of handling their own toddlers with or without their wife present, in the home or in a public setting. Mind you, we're not talking about meltdowns that small children are prone to have and how to deal with them. We're talking the everyday routines of life where you get the kids up& dressed, get their breakfast on the table, get them through shopping, lunch, play activities, jog with the dog and stroller in the park, get them bathed and in bed kind of logistics. Honestly all the apologists for the wife's behavior in these scenarios truly makes me wonder about the value placed on respect and communication in our human relationships. How one can't see the dysfunction being played out with the communication between this couple is beyond me.
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Ottensen said:[quote]EmeraldSkies said:[quote]

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When I started watching this show I was so drawn to all those little faces, and watching their little personalities develope! How hard is it to fall in love with toddlers and kindergardeners?! But then the nagging and bickering of the parents would eventually make the show uncomfortable to watch. So many instances you would be in a sweet family moment with the kids, where they would do something cute or funny, and then from out of nowhere you get Kate screaming at or berating her husband. They looked like they were in dire need of communication therapy as early as Season 1:




See what I don't understand is if he truely did not care for the way she was speaking to him he should have told her more directly or left. Even in that last scene is describes himself as :the whipping boy" but then laughs like he was not upset by it. I can not imagine how stressful it must have been trying to shop with the kids,and even though I don't agree with her bellowing at him in the store,I truely think that she felt like she did almost have to hold his hand because with that many kids you do have to have a structured schedule,and he seemed to always have to be told directions on what he should be doing.[/quote]

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In this episode he expressed to his wife that he was annoyed and embarrassed by the way she screams at him in public. Additionally, what would be the sense in him leaving them at the store? It doesn't get to the root of the problem, and it would have been pretty shitty to leave her there alone handling the holiday shopping with 8 kids.

As for those who would argue she has tell him what do... please, he is a grown ass man. In my view he doesn't need to told anything. The correct way to communicate with your spouse or life partner when you want something done is to request, be it firmly or softly. There is a way to express urgency to people without resorting to the fundamental disrepsect this woman shows her partner incessantly. Furthermore, the idea that her own husband, who has been built a life and a home with her and has been co-parenting since those children came out of the womb somehow needs to be told what he should be doing is ludicrous to me. Maybe this is a concept that would have been more applicable in the 1950's with the way parenting and gender roles were structured. However, the way life works these days I know nary a husband and father who can't nail down the basic logistics of handling their own toddlers with or without their wife present, in the home or in a public setting. Mind you, we're not talking about meltdowns that small children are prone to have and how to deal with them. We're talking the everyday routines of life where you get the kids up& dressed, get their breakfast on the table, get them through shopping, lunch, play activities, jog with the dog and stroller in the park, get them bathed and in bed kind of logistics. Honestly all the apologists for the wife's behavior in these scenarios truly makes me wonder about the value placed on respect and communication in our human relationships. How one can't see the dysfunction being played out with the communication between this couple is beyond me.
[Edited 6/23/09 23:33pm]

if you take alook at alot of sitcoms now a days you see the bubbling oaf of a father and the mother coming to the rescue.

it's the way people are taught to view relationships.
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Reply #59 posted 06/23/09 11:40pm

MrsMdiver

Those poor kids.
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