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Reply #90 posted 06/19/09 12:32pm

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dseann said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

30 days?! People are getting the death penalty here in Cali! eek


Michael Vick got how long for killing dogs?
This drunk driving clown gets 30 days for murdering (that's what it is when you're drunk and kill someone while operating a motor vehicle) a human being.
WOW!




The Facts:
Vehicular Homicide and the Impaired Driver





U.S. Department of Transportation
Fiction An impaired driver who kills someone cannot be charged with murder.
Fact The only difference between a vehicular homicide and other homicides is the use of a motor vehicle as a weapon, as opposed to a gun or knife. This does not change in any way the elements required to be proved for murder. As long as the elements for murder can be proved, a vehicular homicide defendant can be tried for murder just like someone who uses a gun.

Fiction A motor vehicle is not a deadly weapon, like a gun.
Fact A motor vehicle�s purpose is to transport people from one place to another. However, under the right circumstances, motor vehicles become as deadly, if not deadlier, than guns. The latest statistics show that almost twice the number of people die in vehicle crashes per year than by all other forms of homicide combined. And more people are killed in alcohol-related crashes per year than are killed by firearms. Courts across the country do not equate motor vehicles with guns if used as they are intended to be used. But if the operator intends to use the vehicle as a weapon, then motor vehicles and guns are equally effective weapons.

Fiction Impaired drivers can use the excuse that they were too drunk to know what they were doing.
Fact Impairment due to alcohol or other drugs is never a complete defense for any crime. But it can be used as a partial defense. This occurs if the defendant is charged with murder or voluntary manslaughter and the defendant�s impairment level is so high that it affects the defendant�s intent to kill. When this happens, murder and voluntary manslaughter are only mitigated to a lesser crime, like involuntary manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide. However, this is a rare occurrence and no court has ever established an impairment level at which this happens.

Fiction If my state has already enacted a vehicular homicide statute, an impaired driver who kills cannot be charged with murder or manslaughter.
Fact Vehicular homicide statutes were enacted so prosecutors could avoid the obstacles they faced in using murder and manslaughter statutes to prosecute vehicular fatalities (i.e., convincing jurors that a vehicle is just as much a weapon as a gun and that an impaired defendant may be just as guilty as a sober defendant). However, no court has ever found that when state legislatures enacted vehicular homicide statutes, they also prohibited the use of the more traditional murder and manslaughter statutes.

Fiction An impaired driver never intends to kill anyone, and without this intent to kill, the driver cannot be convicted of murder.
Fact While it is true that few impaired drivers who kill begin their evenings looking to do so, their actions throughout the evening can be so egregious that the law implies an intent to kill. Once that implied intent to kill is established, any impaired driver who kills can be convicted of second degree murder.

Fiction Capital punishment is a sentencing option in my state, but impaired drivers cannot get the death penalty.
Fact It is rare that an impaired driver who kills is charged with first degree murder. It is even rarer that an impaired driver who kills is charged with capital murder. However, two states, North Carolina and Kentucky, have charged impaired drivers with capital murder. These states have not created any new law; they have simply used the existing capital murder law and applied that law to the facts of the vehicular homicide. If a vehicular homicide case meets all of the statutory criteria for capital murder, there is no reason the case cannot be charged as such.

For more information about vehicular homicide or other traffic-related laws, contact:

American Prosecutors Research Institute
National Traffic Law Center
99 Canal Center Plaza
Suite 510
Alexandria, VA 22314
Phone: (703) 549-4253
Fax: (703) 836-3195

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/...cthom.html
[Edited 6/19/09 12:34pm]
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Reply #91 posted 06/20/09 12:58pm

dseann

SUPRMAN said:

dseann said:



Michael Vick got how long for killing dogs?
This drunk driving clown gets 30 days for murdering (that's what it is when you're drunk and kill someone while operating a motor vehicle) a human being.
WOW!




The Facts:
Vehicular Homicide and the Impaired Driver

U.S. Department of Transportation
Fiction An impaired driver who kills someone cannot be charged with murder.
Fact The only difference between a vehicular homicide and other homicides is the use of a motor vehicle as a weapon, as opposed to a gun or knife. This does not change in any way the elements required to be proved for murder. As long as the elements for murder can be proved, a vehicular homicide defendant can be tried for murder just like someone who uses a gun.

Fiction A motor vehicle is not a deadly weapon, like a gun.
Fact A motor vehicle�s purpose is to transport people from one place to another. However, under the right circumstances, motor vehicles become as deadly, if not deadlier, than guns. The latest statistics show that almost twice the number of people die in vehicle crashes per year than by all other forms of homicide combined. And more people are killed in alcohol-related crashes per year than are killed by firearms. Courts across the country do not equate motor vehicles with guns if used as they are intended to be used. But if the operator intends to use the vehicle as a weapon, then motor vehicles and guns are equally effective weapons.

Fiction Impaired drivers can use the excuse that they were too drunk to know what they were doing.
Fact Impairment due to alcohol or other drugs is never a complete defense for any crime. But it can be used as a partial defense. This occurs if the defendant is charged with murder or voluntary manslaughter and the defendant�s impairment level is so high that it affects the defendant�s intent to kill. When this happens, murder and voluntary manslaughter are only mitigated to a lesser crime, like involuntary manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide. However, this is a rare occurrence and no court has ever established an impairment level at which this happens.

Fiction If my state has already enacted a vehicular homicide statute, an impaired driver who kills cannot be charged with murder or manslaughter.
Fact Vehicular homicide statutes were enacted so prosecutors could avoid the obstacles they faced in using murder and manslaughter statutes to prosecute vehicular fatalities (i.e., convincing jurors that a vehicle is just as much a weapon as a gun and that an impaired defendant may be just as guilty as a sober defendant). However, no court has ever found that when state legislatures enacted vehicular homicide statutes, they also prohibited the use of the more traditional murder and manslaughter statutes.

Fiction An impaired driver never intends to kill anyone, and without this intent to kill, the driver cannot be convicted of murder.
Fact While it is true that few impaired drivers who kill begin their evenings looking to do so, their actions throughout the evening can be so egregious that the law implies an intent to kill. Once that implied intent to kill is established, any impaired driver who kills can be convicted of second degree murder.

Fiction Capital punishment is a sentencing option in my state, but impaired drivers cannot get the death penalty.
Fact It is rare that an impaired driver who kills is charged with first degree murder. It is even rarer that an impaired driver who kills is charged with capital murder. However, two states, North Carolina and Kentucky, have charged impaired drivers with capital murder. These states have not created any new law; they have simply used the existing capital murder law and applied that law to the facts of the vehicular homicide. If a vehicular homicide case meets all of the statutory criteria for capital murder, there is no reason the case cannot be charged as such.

For more information about vehicular homicide or other traffic-related laws, contact:

American Prosecutors Research Institute
National Traffic Law Center
99 Canal Center Plaza
Suite 510
Alexandria, VA 22314
Phone: (703) 549-4253
Fax: (703) 836-3195

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/...cthom.html
[Edited 6/19/09 12:34pm]



Say that to say what? My point is that it is sooooo wrong for a person to receive a more severe punishment for killing a dog than one who kills a human being. Killing a dog is not more severe than vehicular homicide.
[Edited 6/20/09 13:00pm]
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Reply #92 posted 06/20/09 7:00pm

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Since when do we base sentencing on what a case involving an animal would be?
Two different fact patterns, different jurisdictions, different laws, one case with intent, one without.
If you are saying it's wrong, then there is a maximum penalty on murdering a dog(s).
What is the maximum penalty? It couldn't be execution or life . . . .
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Reply #93 posted 06/21/09 8:55am

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I hope the family sues stallworth for every single penny he's got.
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Reply #94 posted 06/21/09 10:42am

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BlackAdder7 said:

I hope the family sues stallworth for every single penny he's got.

They settled.
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Reply #95 posted 06/21/09 10:55am

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SUPRMAN said:

BlackAdder7 said:

I hope the family sues stallworth for every single penny he's got.

They settled.


nod Stallworth must have paid the family of the deceased man a nice wad of cash, because they're not going to trial or anything.
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Reply #96 posted 06/30/09 11:28am

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Stallworth said victim surprised himComment Email Print Share Associated Press

MIAMI -- Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth said on a 911 call that the man he struck and killed while driving drunk came out of nowhere.



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Stallworth is serving a 30-day jail sentence after pleading guilty to DUI manslaughter in the March 14 death of 59-year-old Mario Reyes. Stallworth also has two years' house arrest after his release from jail and is suspended indefinitely by the NFL.

On the 911 call released Monday, Stallworth describes how the victim "just ran in front of my car." Police have said Reyes was not in a crosswalk and was rushing to catch a bus when he was hit.

Stallworth tells the 911 operator, "You got to send an ambulance right now, man."

Stallworth also reached an undisclosed financial settlement with Reyes' family.
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