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PrintableNDRU said: mcmeekle said: You should sleep your way up the ladder. At least the first couple of rungs anyway.
 Or market a catch phrase. I am toying with "has anyone mentioned me yet?" Works for me.
Except no one ever mentions me. Apart from that, it works.  | |
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meow85 said: Things I am good at that may come in handy with a job:
Public speaking Writing Leading and participating in group dialogue Time management Flaws that may get in the way: Highly distractable Contrariness Extremely poor math skills ALL of those qualities tell me you should try to find paid work in Political Activism, Journalism or some type of work that conveys a message to the people... maybe even Marketing, but that's a stretch... A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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mcmeekle said: Genesia said: Anyone who has to waste it on the first couple of rungs has problems too serious to be solved here. 
[Edited 6/11/09 14:38pm] Well, it helped me become drive-thru assistant supervisor thank you very much!  And you couldn't become that without boning someone?  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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SCNDLS said: meow85 said:  Nice to hear from you too.
I said why it's not useful -people were giving me advice as if I already had a place to start from. I appreciate the advice, but there's not much of it I can use for the time being. I will keep people's words in mind though for when the time does come I can use it. Did you miss my post where I said I'd job-shadowed before in offices? I've done my time in those freaky little jail cells. I already know it's not for me. [Edited 6/11/09 13:48pm] Regardless, telling people that are trying to help that their input is useless is unnecessary IMO. You coulda kept that shit to yourself and used what was valuable and kept it moving. And job-shadowing is not the same as working in an office and every office ain't the same. Aren't you the same person that didn't want to wear a uniform or some shit at your job and went on and on about it??? If that was you, then I'm sure with your outlook and disposition you'll go far in a profession. Again, good luck with that.  [Snip -Mars23] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Genesia said: meow85 said: Things I am good at that may come in handy with a job:
Public speaking Writing Leading and participating in group dialogue Time management Flaws that may get in the way: Highly distractable Contrariness Extremely poor math skills I'm not sure how good you can be at "leading and participating in group dialogue" if "contrariness" is one of your "flaws." [Snip -Mars23] It's entirely possible to - in fact, most people do -have flaws and strengths that contradict each other. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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RenHoek said: meow85 said: Things I am good at that may come in handy with a job:
Public speaking Writing Leading and participating in group dialogue Time management Flaws that may get in the way: Highly distractable Contrariness Extremely poor math skills ALL of those qualities tell me you should try to find paid work in Political Activism, Journalism or some type of work that conveys a message to the people... maybe even Marketing, but that's a stretch... Now, something like that DOES appeal to me.
I just have no idea where to start. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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TD3 said: meow85 said: on how to break out of the cycle of low-level, low-pay jobs? Though I'm taking a break for the time being I am working on a college degree, but I'm afraid there's not much I could do with it once I am done.
Most of you are older ("more experienced"  ) than me and with actual jobs. Careers, even. Do you have any words of advice on how I can work my way towards that?It's important for you to network at your respective college, get to know all the professors in your division by name and make sure they know you by face and by name. The best advice I was given when I started out at university was, to select one/two of my professors /guidance counselors in my division as a mentor for my 4 years there. Meow, do as you've done here, tell a professor(s) of your concerns and issues, ask them if the could or would share their experiences or give you any advice. Maybe they could offer career path.. suggest somethings you've never considered. Most professors really do try to help their students see there way through and want them to succeed, if you care it's been my experience most will bust their but to help you. Besides, having them on a resume as a recommendation is a plus. Make sure to check the bulletin boards around your college (within your division too) to see if companies and/or organizations are offering jobs or internships during holiday and/or summer breaks. Depending on your circumstances take a good offer whether it pays or not, it's a resume builder. Check to see if your college have any job opening for students too. Consider joining at least one club within the Arts Division: Do they published a monthly, quarterly, or yearly magazine/journal for example? Do they organized and/or give lectures or hold discussions about... "whatever"? Hone up on your computer skills, if your college offers free computer classes to it's students of any kind take them, all! Knowing how to use Access/Excel/PowerPoint/Word and knowing a tad about database entry should be a given. You could also get basic certification for Vista, Apple, or Linux OS/Distro systems. You could study that on your own just purchase a book/CD ( specifically books written by former Windows, Apple employees or by those respective companies that say they'll are written for passing computer certification test) and go for it. Keep the faith and finish school, it will pay off in the future, big time.  For the time being I'm not going to be in school. I have every intention of finishing the degree but I need a break to find a job and get some regular income happening first. Though I am still close enough to the college that heading over once in a while should be easy enough. Don't think I can make use of their computetr or library resources unless I'm an active student, but there's nothing to stop me from tracking down a Prof or two who may be useful. Thanks.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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sammij said: Imago said: Absolutely not. If I was hiring for a job that paid decent money, I would ignore resume's without a degree. A degree shows that you're willing to commit to 4 (or more) grueling years of study. Having an art degree kind of sucks , but if you went on to a Masters in Art, you could land a rewarding teaching job.
A degree NEVER hurts. Which was my plan anyways (does anyone really read my posts?), but how do i survive UNTIL then? I mean I'm stuck in a city that doesn't hire anyone unless you were laid off from a bombing major big-wig steel factory. With no income, i have no room for movement. now what? Sammi have you tried working from home?? I have been doing it for years and there are many legit places, and a wide variety of work. Org note me if you'd like a list. | |
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The advice I have is not gonna be liked by anyone I lived @ home for far longer than any of my friends did b/c I couldn't afford to live on my own while going to grad school & waiting tables, not in the Bay Area (I don't do roomates). When I finished school & needed a job in my field I sent an email to everyone I knew asking for any advice, leads, places to apply. ONE person (a distant connection too) got me an interview & they liked me enough to hire me with NO EXPERIENCE (other than what I'd learned in school). I've been rolling from there - moved through more established companies, now I'm freelance but with strong ties to one company that's more geared toward my specific interests in the field. & again - I wasn't really suited for this company but I was lucky enough that they brought me on when they were small & in need. Now they're growing, becoming more successful & I'm very much entrenched there despite being freelance (& hopefully not freelance for much longer!).
You never know where the right connection is gonna come from & where your interests are gonna take you. When I read your list of interests I instantly thought journalism, but there's probably many other fields/branches of journalism that would fit you - radio, event coordination (for certain events), web content (for certain sites), etc. If you don't want to move, figure out what your options are where you currently live. If you have friends or relatives that live in a area more suited for what you're interested in, suck it up & move in for a while - take the hit on your independence while boosting your career options. Yes, you'll start @ the bottom. Yes, you'll have to work some crappy job simultaneously just to make ends meet. No, you won't have any privacy for a while But you gotta form a plan & just start working toward it. If you continue to look @ yourself as "stuck", guess where you'll be 5 years from now? Still STUCK. Don't let that happen, you or Sammi. Research a possible path, make the hard decisions about how to live while doing it, & jump in already...
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CalhounSq said: The advice I have is not gonna be liked by anyone
I lived @ home for far longer than any of my friends did b/c I couldn't afford to live on my own while going to grad school & waiting tables, not in the Bay Area (I don't do roomates). When I finished school & needed a job in my field I sent an email to everyone I knew asking for any advice, leads, places to apply. ONE person (a distant connection too) got me an interview & they liked me enough to hire me with NO EXPERIENCE (other than what I'd learned in school). I've been rolling from there - moved through more established companies, now I'm freelance but with strong ties to one company that's more geared toward my specific interests in the field. & again - I wasn't really suited for this company but I was lucky enough that they brought me on when they were small & in need. Now they're growing, becoming more successful & I'm very much entrenched there despite being freelance (& hopefully not freelance for much longer!).
You never know where the right connection is gonna come from & where your interests are gonna take you. When I read your list of interests I instantly thought journalism, but there's probably many other fields/branches of journalism that would fit you - radio, event coordination (for certain events), web content (for certain sites), etc. If you don't want to move, figure out what your options are where you currently live. If you have friends or relatives that live in a area more suited for what you're interested in, suck it up & move in for a while - take the hit on your independence while boosting your career options. Yes, you'll start @ the bottom. Yes, you'll have to work some crappy job simultaneously just to make ends meet. No, you won't have any privacy for a while But you gotta form a plan & just start working toward it. If you continue to look @ yourself as "stuck", guess where you'll be 5 years from now? Still STUCK. Don't let that happen, you or Sammi. Research a possible path, make the hard decisions about how to live while doing it, & jump in already...
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meow85 said: SCNDLS said: Regardless, telling people that are trying to help that their input is useless is unnecessary IMO. You coulda kept that shit to yourself and used what was valuable and kept it moving. And job-shadowing is not the same as working in an office and every office ain't the same. Aren't you the same person that didn't want to wear a uniform or some shit at your job and went on and on about it??? If that was you, then I'm sure with your outlook and disposition you'll go far in a profession. Again, good luck with that. [Snip -Mars23] [Snip -Mars23] | |
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Genesia said: Develop a good work history. Get a job and stick with it for at least a year. Don't be insubordinate. Don't question their rules. Work your butt off.
Employers don't want to hire people they think won't be there long enough to recoup what is spent training them. And they don't want to hire people they think will be a pain in the ass. (Which is what they usually surmise when someone has a string of short-term jobs.) In short: play the game. | |
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meow85 said: SCNDLS said: Regardless, telling people that are trying to help that their input is useless is unnecessary IMO. You coulda kept that shit to yourself and used what was valuable and kept it moving. And job-shadowing is not the same as working in an office and every office ain't the same. Aren't you the same person that didn't want to wear a uniform or some shit at your job and went on and on about it??? If that was you, then I'm sure with your outlook and disposition you'll go far in a profession. Again, good luck with that. [Snip -Mars23] [Snip -Mars23] | |
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